Convention-al thoughts on the Dems in Denver

As we get closer to the general election

So I'm listening to the radio this a.m., which happens to be 'parked' on a station where a liberal talkin' head has a show in the hour I'm listening to (no, I don't normally listen to that talkin' head, I just happen to have the radio tuned to that station because of something else I normally listen to having been airing the evening before) and said talkin' head is blathering on about what a great speech "she who would be coronated Queen and President for life" gave last night (8/26/2008) at the Democratic National Convention.  [more]Now, I've paid the Democratic convention all the attention to which I think it deserves (read that as just a little more than "none"), as it's all fairly predictable pomp and circumstance even if it may be somewhat historic with the naming of Obama -- an individual of African American descent -- as the party nominee.

I don't feel compelled to watch the convention, listen to the speeches, watch the partying or anything else that is going on in Denver.  My watching or listening isn't going to change my mind, nor will it change the action of any of the candidates, the platform they'll support, etc.

Anyway, to get back to the point of this article, the talkin' head on my radio was praising (gee, is that word ok to use for most Democrats?  'praising' has some religious connotations, no?) the speech that H.R. Clinton gave last night.  Apparently the speech was loaded with 'we' need to do this, and 'we' must do that, and was very much distanced from the 'I' need this and 'I' want that of past H.R. Clinton speeches.  Apparently she is really ready to send the message that in order to give 'us' what 'we' deserve then 'we' must all band together behind Obama and prevent 'them' there evil Republi-McCain-a-cans from winning the election.

Now it doesn't take a gene-E-us, or even a Miss Cleo to figure out that H.R. Clinton was highly likely to do as she's reportedly done here when it was time to do so.  While H.R. Clinton wants the Whitehouse for her own residence again soon, you can be certain that she doesn't want to see another Republican there keeping it warm while she waits.  She also knows that if another Republican (even if mostly in name, not so much in deeds) does win the office it means the progressive programs she wants will be dead on arrival and very likely to be vetoed by such an individual.

So, as we get closer to general election season, H.R. Clinton gives the speech that many (including this writer) feel she should have given long ago, when it was obvious to all but H.R. Clinton herself, her chubby (and chubby chasin') hubby, and a loyal group of Clinton-ites that she was beaten and had no chance at winning the nomination.

Lets look back at how things have unfolded since the dieing days of the H.R. Clinton campaign.  Has she been selected as Obama's running mate?  Nope.  Quite possibly because of her actions and words in the campaign, especially as it was winding down, she was passed over for a chance to quite possibly become the first woman elected as Vice President of the United States.  Yeah, I know that Geraldine Ferraro was the first woman nominated for the office of Vice President of the United States (on a major party ticket) but Ferraro didn't get elected to that office, did she?  H.R. Clinton had a good chance to do so really.  She could have been part of the dream ticket for Democrats, but instead she kept going on, and on, and left many people wondering just what the heck she wanted and what her goal was.

Will H.R. Clinton perhaps find some sort of reward from Obama for her actions at the convention and beyond (assuming H.R. Clinton and the rest of the Clinton clan actually fully support Obama and help him win the election)?  There may already be something in the works there, no?  I'd say it's a good bet something has been worked out, be it an ambassadorship for her hubby, a potential Supreme Court nom for her, or something similar.  Regardless, I'm digressing again and don't mean to....

What I wanted to write about a little, and get more input on from others here is this -- for all of the talk from that those that talked of never supporting Obama if H.R. Clinton didn't get the nomination as the party candidate for the Democrats, will that still be true when it's time to vote in November?  Really, truly, seriously?

What H.R. Clinton's speech was supposedly about (remember, I didn't listen to it, watch, read it, read anything about it, or even listen to much comment about it) was that it's vitally important for the party and the country that the party win this one for everyone.  Is it that important to hold a grudge against Obama because he's not she, or is it more important to keep the Republicans from holding the Presidency for another 4 or 8 years?

My own opinion is that some people talked some pretty big talk and made some dire predictions, but I expect that all of that was just talk.  If they want change, they'll back Obama and hope that no one remembers their blathering of before and tries to hold them to those promises and threats to go to the other side.

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The cries of WWTBQ were ridiculous then and the thought that she didn't step down quick enough is ridiculous.  Jesse Jackson, Jerry Brown, Teddy Kennedy and Gary Hart were all challengers for the Democratic nomination that didn't have near as many votes as she did and no one was crying for them to get the hell out of the race.  Jesse Jackson and Jerry Brown never even endorsed the eventual nominee. 

I think Obama would have been smart to pick Hillary as his VP nominee but I think she can do better.  Usually you put the stronger candidate on the top of the ticket.  I think her day will still come. 

I am a Hillary supporter who cannot and will not vote for Obama.  I was considering not voting or voting for a third party candidate but I think that at this point, I will vote for John McCain. 

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I am a Hillary supporter who cannot and will not vote for Obama.
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Then you missed the point of her entire convention speech, my friend :thumbsdown:

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Then you missed the point of her entire convention speech, my friend
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I just can't do it.  I tried to keep an open mind but sorry I have too many reservations about the man.  He's not ready.  He's not the guy.  I can't do it - not even for Hillary. 

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I just can't do it. I tried to keep an open mind but sorry I have too many reservations about the man. He's not ready. He's not the guy. I can't do it - not even for Hillary.
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I understand.  He's not getting my vote either, but for different reasons.

Just DON'T vote for McCain, Boudica.  I know you better than that.

Vote Nader (with me) in '08!  :thumbsup:

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Boudica said:

I am a Hillary supporter who cannot and will not vote for Obama.
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Loca? Is that you?!

SanChonino said:

Then you missed the point of her entire convention speech, my friend
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Ex-act-ly.

That's the part of all of this that as an observer of the body politic I just don't get and argued about with several people (including Loca) before.  If you support the principles that Democrats supposedly support, then handing your vote over to the other guys just doesn't make sense.

Now, don't get me wrong, as someone that leans to the right most of the time, we'd love your help in keeping the Democrats from winning an election that really should be theirs to win.  Keeping the control of the Whitehouse from the Democrats while they control congress with a nearly indefeatable majority is a good thing.  It would serve to check and balance the congress and keep that congress and the Whitehouse controlled by the same party from ramming through their agenda no matter what.  Instead there'd still be the power of the veto to be exercised rather than a rubber stamp there to go along with the flow.

If you've followed Obama's platform from the beginning and didn't buy into the dis-information and rumors then you should be aware of how little difference there is between what he promised and what Hillary Clinton promised.  Both are tax and spend liberals, both would present themselves as Robin Hood out to grab from the rich and help the poor, and both would add to the size of government to provide all of the services that they've promised.

Put a skirt on Obama he ain't that different from her.  Heck, even in pants, they aren't that different ;)

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If you support the principles that Democrats supposedly support, then handing your vote over to the other guys just doesn't make sense.
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But then that is the problem since even Obama does not know what they represent.  Nor does any presidential candidate.  The other truth is that what gets you to the ball is not what gets you elected, so what was said in the early part of an election year is not what you say the second half.

It is all very hypocritical (and I am not talking Dems only here).  I look for those that reflect my views, but rarely find them.  As the semi-honest ones (or at least the most least dishonest) will never make it out of the primaries.  On either side.

But having to work yourself up into a heated lather to campaign for so long, and then stop cold, and reverse course is not my cup of tea either.  So I refuse to belong to any party.  Hillary said a lot, and did not say a lot.  But she did her loyal duty to her party, not herself or her conscience.  It says a lot when your first (and sometimes only - See Elizabeth Edwards) allegiance is to a party, not a principal, ideal or people.

(p.s. It is Loca).

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My guess is that Hillary was guaranteed a spot in Obama's cabinet if he is elected which potentially gives her more power than a Senator (depending on the position) and no matter what happens the speech she gave (which I didn't watch or read either) positions her to be the next Democratic nominee for President in either 2012 or 2016.

As for folks who are so upset by Hillary not getting the nomination that they are thinking about voting for McCain I merely say that they should do what everyone should do during any election, rather than attempting to vote for the winner (which is what far too many people do) simply vote for the person you most want to see in office.  Remember while an election may look like a horse race your vote is not supposed to predict who is going to win but who you actually want to win.