While I agree with you this is the MO of the Dems.  They think that they know best about everything which is why they take every opportunity to bloat the government powers more and more because they simply can't let people think for themselves at all.

If you can look at the scientific evidence and honestly say that humans are not having an impact on the global environment then you are just naïve.  By making a huge issue about the thing is about the only way any true work for the cause will get done.

You do realize that the planetary climate cycles change due to the concentration of CO2 trapped in the atmosphere, right?  Natural cycle yes, but of course we are immensly aiding this current climate shift.  Things need to be done to make the planet a better place and sustain more for future generations, but nothing will ever get done if it the problem isn't acknowledged on any level of importance.

Guess I can't insert a pic that way.

Anyway this reminds me of a political cartoon from 4 years ago that quoted Edwards as saying that if elected, the democrats will continue their wrok and people in wheelchairs will get up and walk again. He used now-departed Chistopher Reeves as an example.

No one is denying that things need to be done to lower our impact on the environment the problem is that the government should NOT be the ones forcing that down our throats.  Let the free market do it, when oil shot up what happened to car purchases and driving habits?  They changed, people started buying more hybrids and less SUVs in addition to driving less and carpooling.  Let the free market work itself out.  The government is not supposed to be our collective social conscience forcing us to do whatever it is that they deem important.

And I believe it was the late George Carlin who said something along the following lines: "The earth is 4.5 billion years old.  Humans have been around for a few thousand.  The industrial revolution (when we really started burning fossil fuels regularly) was 150-200 years ago.  I think the earth will survive."

I got a kick out of the Global Warming marathon being canceled recently in Australia due to cold weather. Mother Nature has a sense of humor, Pelosi should take note.

And as we have seen, it does not represent truth either.

You are correct in what you said Draginol, and unfortunately now when we talk about climate changing it has the distinction of speaking specifically of the warming of the Earth.  I did not mention that CO2 created the heating of the planet.  It was not my entire intention to imply that CO2 levels completely dictate the changing of the climate either.  Please do not assume I get all of my information from Al Gore either.  Although it may seem like that because I support measures to change our environmental protection plans adamantly, I have learned a little more than what one politician and environmentalist will tell us.

Again, calling me uneducated because I supposedly want to change the entirety of American energy policy overnight?  That is just something that I did not say.  I am a supporter of new environmental initiatives with the understanding that we need to pick at our energy development and consumption over the course of many years.  The CO2 increase in the current atmosphere IS coming from us more and more...however, I believe you are correct in that my use of "climate shift" does more-so imply temperature increases.  I should have said something along the lines of how we are aiding the environmental problems associated with increasing our CO2 concentrations, instead of relating it to our personal weather patterns and heat fluxes (which by the way I don't blame "global warming" for).  Areas that we are effecting with the increased CO2 emissions are things like the rising ocean acidity harming the oceanic environment.

on topic, there is simply no way you can tell me that all these chemicals we are letting into the air have no effect.  Even without science I can tell you that if you introduce something(a foriegn substance) to a object it will change it.  Good example.  The human body, we know that if you smoke cigarettes(spelling, sorry), it will cause cancer if you keep doing it.  If you live in a building with Asbestos in it you will get cancer eventually.  Its just a matter of time.  Simply put I think you have to agree that the MASS industrialization which this planet has never seen in its 4.5 billion years, is having a serious effect.  Changes are needed.

The problem is your analogy.  The human body is a part of nature, but not all of it.  SO yes, there are parts of nature that are foreign.

The earth is all of nature.  So far, except for a few moon rocks, man has not introduced anything into this planet that was not already there in one form or another.  And nature has taken care of it - just not on a timetable acceptable to man.

Man is not accounting for a majority (not even close) of CO2.  The earth has done that herself.

The problem with all this religion about global warming and "destroying" the planet is the hysterics.  What we are doing (possibly) is killing ourselves, which we do have the capability to do.  But the dishonest want us to beleive we are killing the earth - which we cannot.  And some are even so insane as to say that man is the cancer on the planet.  And that the only solution is our erradication.  I am sure in time, that will happen.  But rending clothes and committing hari kiri to demonstrate your point may be good for your soul, but does nothing for the real issue, obfuscated as it is.

Naivety does not imply that a person is uneducated.  I happen to know a little bit about vocabulary. 

You're refusing to acknowledge my statement that I believe this process should take many years.  You feel that I only support Obama because I agree with Pelosi in her charge that this "crisis" will be fixed during his presidency?  I do not agree with Pelosi's overhype of the situation nor do I believe that stopping use of oil in massive quanities all at once is even feasible.  You should believe I am not seeking IMMEDIATE results because I said nothing of the sort.  I believe that Obama's plan to create new jobs and resources in alternative energy for America can help reduce the emissions, lower use of oil overall, and create a cleaner environment over time.  If we can do something to improve the environment, why not act to set an even stronger example?

Part of the reason many Republicans are disaffected - once a degree of control was achieved, they failed to follow through with action to match their rhetoric.  The Republican Party has lost its way, but even this allegedly bloated government isn't big enough for the Democrats - I don't believe they'll consider it big enough until at least 51% of our population is either employed by or totally dependent upon government.

If reducing the size of 'big government' is really important to you, you have no business voting for Obama.  At least there's a chance in hell with the Republicans.