Do You Believe?

I mean truly Believe!

I bet most of you that clicked on this thought this was going to be another G-d article or another in a long line of Jesus freak articles. WRONG on both counts.

My question is really a simple one.

Can a man kill another man in a fight and be considered a good man and citizen if this man has never broken any laws for 40 years since then? This man has raised a family, instilled in them a respect for G-ds law and mans law but is not sorry in the least for the killing.

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sounds like Moses.


Interesting reply, but it does not really answer the question.
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Your question is incomplete.... considered a good man to whom.

If you refer to those who have been his neighbors  for 40 years and do not know what  he did, then they would consider him a good man.


If you refer to the family of the man he killed, then no.

If you refer to the police, then whle he may be a good man, he is still a criminal. Most criminals are good men, who made the wrong choice.... of coulse some are just twisted and scum.


If you are asking if G-d thinks of him as good, an unrepentent sinner, that is up to G-d.

 

IG

 

 

 

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I suppose it would depend on the fight -did this man start it over something that could have been resolved some other way or was it self defense or what? 'mo info please!
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MM,  I suspect we are as we do, rather than what we did.  I know my history includes killing other men.  I don't do it any more. And very much regret the fact that I did it then.

Be well.

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I know my history includes killing other men. I don't do it any more. And very much regret the fact that I did it then.

 

Well, that was very disturbing to read but since I don't know you well enough or the whole story, I will keep my opinion to myself on this one.

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Quoting InfoGeek, reply 3
Your question is incomplete.... considered a good man to whom.If you refer to those who have been his neighbors  for 40 years and do not know what  he did, then they would consider him a good man.If you refer to the family of the man he killed, then no.If you refer to the police, then whle he may be a good man, he is still a criminal. Most criminals are good men, who made the wrong choice.... of coulse some are just twisted and scum.If you are asking if G-d thinks of him as good, an unrepentent sinner, that is up to G-d. IG   

Obviously this is a personal question asked of the person that comments, one can only speak for ones self after all.

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Quoting RoyLevosh, reply 5
I suppose it would depend on the fight -did this man start it over something that could have been resolved some other way or was it self defense or what? 'mo info please!

This is all the info you are going to get, make YOUR JUDGEMENT BASED ON THAT.

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Quoting Sodaiho, reply 6
MM,  I suspect we are as we do, rather than what we did.  I know my history includes killing other men.  I don't do it any more. And very much regret the fact that I did it then.Be well.

That's my feeling as well, none of us can undo anything we might have done.

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Quoting CharlesCS, reply 7
I know my history includes killing other men. I don't do it any more. And very much regret the fact that I did it then. Well, that was very disturbing to read but since I don't know you well enough or the whole story, I will keep my opinion to myself on this one.

He is talking WAR, Charles.

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Obviously this is a personal question asked of the person that comments, one can only speak for ones self after all.

 

OK, then, while he may be a good man in the eyes of many and me, nevertheless, he is in fact a criminal and 40 years of good living will not change that fact.

 

IG

 

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Need more details.  Why did the killing take place?

Once I know that, I might be able to figure out if it was justifiable or not and that would impact upon my answer.

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This is all the info you are going to get, make YOUR JUDGEMENT BASED ON THAT.


Nope. But who am I to judge anyway?

(funny, but I say this very thing at work ALL the time: I AM NOT your judge.)
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I dont believe any more information needs to be given. The question was not about absolving all men in all circumstances, but asking a simple question. Yes, there could be a host of circumstances surrounding the question. But to answer the question, the answerer just has to imagine ANY scenario where the man is a good man. And there are a host of scenarios where that is possible.

Also, as I rarely do, I have to agree completely with Sodaiho. What the man did in the past is not an indication of the man today.
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I thought this post was going to be about the new Xfiles movie - I sure was wrong.  

The other is hard for me.  I do believe in redemption.  I do believe in forgiveness of sins but you have to be sorry.  There has to be remorse, a tiny drop of remorse? 

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He is talking WAR, Charles.


Thanks MM. Just wanted to make sure I didn't make an ignorant comment on that reply.
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I would say yes. Death is part of life and while it's illegal in both social and religious beliefs, there are times when it's either you or them and I for one would chose the former. One would want to believe there is always the option of not killing, and that is true, but one can't always chose the better choice. As sad as that may be.
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Quoting InfoGeek, reply 13
Obviously this is a personal question asked of the person that comments, one can only speak for ones self after all. OK, then, while he may be a good man in the eyes of many and me, nevertheless, he is in fact a criminal and 40 years of good living will not change that fact. IG 

So the fact that he has instilled respect for the law both G-ds and mans law in his children and has lived a life of no crime in any way for forty years in your eyes he is still a criminal?

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Quoting terpfan1980, reply 14
Need more details.  Why did the killing take place?Once I know that, I might be able to figure out if it was justifiable or not and that would impact upon my answer.

you are not going to get any more details that the article contains rereaed the article and make your judgement.

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Quoting RoyLevosh, reply 15
This is all the info you are going to get, make YOUR JUDGEMENT BASED ON THAT.Nope. But who am I to judge anyway?(funny, but I say this very thing at work ALL the time: I AM NOT your judge.)

Come on Joe, let it fly!!! it's all hypothetical anyways. I just want opinions.

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Who am I to judge anyone? :)
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So the fact that he has instilled respect for the law both G-ds and mans law in his children and has lived a life of no crime in any way for forty years in your eyes he is still a criminal?


Of course he's still a criminal. Did he commit a crime? Then he is a criminal.

But that doesn't mean that criminals are bad people. Was Rosa Parks a bad person for breaking segregation laws? No. She was simply a criminal.
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Quoting Jythier, reply 23
Who am I to judge anyone?

It's your own opinion, everyone has an opinion.