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Pope: "I said no such thing about Kerry!!"

Excommunication of the Kerry one

from JoeUser Forums
I was laughing my arse off.

Check it out and weep or laugh: Link

Hmm, looks like somebody will not be a Roman Catholic anymore by suffering the worse penalty one can suffer EXCOMMUNICATION.

Sorry for the short post but I can't think of anything else to type on the subject.

UPDATE: Vatican denies it responded to lawyer seeking Kerry's excommunication [LINK]

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
good grief ill be glad when this election is over.


I'll drink to that!
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #26 By: Myrrander - 10/19/2004 9:30:31 PM
Ah, drmiler, c'mon, that's a typical response...


It may be typical but you know it's the truth. There's no arguement to that one!
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
good grief ill be glad when this election is over.


I'll drink to that!


Count me in.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top


So "what is a real praticing Catholic?" I almost decided not to answer such a shallow comment as the answer is so painfully obvious but ill put it as simply as I can. (indeed the answer is simple anyway)
A real, praticing Catholic is just that. A practicing Catholic. Obviously one who pratices what they believe in and, as in the case of ANY religious adherants,what they belive in, and base thier actions on, is what thier Faith proposes to be the truth. I don't care what religion one belongs to, one should never say "Im a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddist etc" without actualy doing what thier faith tells them they should do. If they dont how in the world can one claim to be a member of any Church or religious community.
If you believe in something DO it. If you don't or don't care then don't. But don't say you believe in this or that and take no moral stance or action upon it.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
While the site may be a hoax the fact still remains that the church CAN excommunicate you! I know this for fact. That is unless you want to tell my brother-in-law that he has not been excommunicated and that the letter he recieved stating so was false!


I cannot say your brother did not receive a letter, but I do maintain that he was not excommunicated. If you can type the exact contents of the letter, that would help. But I suspect it says "through your actions, you have excommunicated yourslef" or something to that affect.

That in itself is wrong, but some conservative Bishops are known to contemplate these type of actions.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
well, since the pope really hasn't mattered in about 500 years, I think we'll be ok


I hoppe you mean in a government sense, and not in a spiritual one. In the last 500 years, the Pope has become a very highly regarded leader in the spiritual sense, and even non-Catholics look up to his words. Why else would have the old Soviet Union try to have him assassinated?
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dr. Guy: Thanks for that "Insightful" response, I never considered that. True though it is.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Excommunication (n.) The act of communicating or ejecting; esp., an ecclesiastical censure whereby the person against whom it is pronounced is, for the time, cast out of the communication of the church; exclusion from fellowship in things spiritual.

Other things to consider from the Catholic Encylopedia:
2) "Those who efficaciously procure abortion." The fruitless attempt is not punished with excommunication; authors do not agree as to whether the woman guilty of self-abortion is excommunicated.

The right to excommunicate is an immediate and necessary consequence of the fact that the Church is a society. Every society has the right to exclude and deprive of their rights and social advantages its unworthy or grievously culpable members, either temporarily or permanently. This right is necessary to every society in order that it may be well administered and survive. The fundamental proof, therefore, of the Church's right to excommunicate is based on her status as a spiritual society, whose members, governed by legitimate authority, seek one and the same end through suitable means. Members who, by their obstinate disobedience, reject the means of attaining this common end deserve to be removed from such a society.

I. GENERAL NOTIONS AND HISTORICAL SUMMARY

Excommunication (Lat. ex, out of, and communio or communicatio, communion -- exclusion from the communion), the principal and severest censure, is a medicinal, spiritual penalty that deprives the guilty Christian of all participation in the common blessings of ecclesiastical society. Being a penalty, it supposes guilt; and being the most serious penalty that the Church can inflict, it naturally supposes a very grave offence. It is also a medicinal rather than a vindictive penalty, being intended, not so much to punish the culprit, as to correct him and bring him back to the path of righteousness. It necessarily, therefore, contemplates the future, either to prevent the recurrence of certain culpable acts that have grievous external consequences, or, more especially, to induce the delinquent to satisfy the obligations incurred by his offence. Its object and its effect are loss of communion, i.e. of the spiritual benefits shared by all the members of Christian society; hence, it can affect only those who by baptism have been admitted to that society.

Catholics, on the contrary, cannot be excommunicated unless for some personal, grievously offensive act

So, in essence a person excommunicates themselvs by thier actions and the Church lawfully, to those under the jurisdiction of the Church, declares and enforces the excommunication.