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"By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer

- Congress should repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" law because the presence of gays in the military is unlikely to undermine the ability to fight and win, according to a new study released by a California-based research center.

The study was conducted by four retired military officers, including the three-star Air Force lieutenant general who in early 1993 was tasked with implementing President Clinton's policy that the military stop questioning recruits on their sexual orientation.

"Evidence shows that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly is unlikely to pose any significant risk to morale, good order, discipline or cohesion," the officers states.

To support its contention, the panel points to the British and Israeli militaries, where it says gay people serve openly without hurting the effectiveness of combat operations."

Yeah these geniuses took years to figure out what the military has known for 200 years.

When I was in the service we had gays openly in the military. It was simple at least the places I was stationed. Don’t bother me, I don’t bother you. If you got caught having sex you got in trouble. Here are two examples of what I mean.

My corpsman, (field medic) was queer as a three dollar bill. We all knew it, no body cared. When we stopped over in the for and operation we had liberty in town and we watched with serious curiosity this gay man taking two and sometimes three women to bed with him. I finally asked him what was up, I thought you played on the other team? He told me, when in do as the Romans do but back home it’s strictly Greek. I laughed and told the fella’s we had nothing to worry about he was still normal.

Story number two;

A man brought his girlfriend into the barracks so he could have sex without paying for a room. He got caught and was reduced in rank, and forfeited two thirds of is pay for three months.

While in the Corps I have seen most everything sexual. We still believe your business is your business, only the liberals are interested in your private business. Yes, if you were gay you could be kicked out of the military, if you were promiscuous, gay or not, you can get kicked out of the military. If you have oral or anal sex you can get kicked out, the point is someone has to see you. If you put it out there you cross the line. Only the gays seem to get noticed by the liberals. There have been gays in the military since General Washington got rid of the camp followers. For you younger people a camp follower were wives, and prostitutes that would set up camp next to the military camps so husbands could be with their wives and single men could have someone warm that does not need to shave next to you at night. When the bugle sounds get your butt back to your camp.

During WWII we were loaded with gays, and again no one cared. It was not until after WWII that the liberals in a ploy to show they have morality attacked the gay community. The reason why the gays in the Republican Party are called the log cabin something or other is because Abe Lincoln was reputed to be gay and as the first republican elected to the presidency they honor his memory. Do other republicans care? I don’t nor do I know of any that do object or care. My point is that liberals want it both ways, they want to attack gays when it suits them and embrace them during election time. I don’t agree with the gay lifestyle, I also don’t agree with polygamy. Neither one affects me. When I was shot my gay corpsman saved my life. He did his job well. Did he announce that he was gay? Nope. Did we care that he liked to dress up as a woman and have sex with men? Nope. And yes, he was the guy we went to when we had to turn our head and cough.

Liberals are finally understanding that the military does not care as long as they do their jobs to the best of their ability, don’t have sex where I can see it and don’t slip me the tongue when I need mouth to mouth. If that is gay bashing then I am a basher.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
faux pas
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BTW, I had to actually look up that word. LOL.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well I'll look at it this way (as I heard from someone else) Einstein did not fail 100 times before he invented the lightbulb, he just found 100 ways how not to make a lightbulb.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
If at first you don’t succeed,
Don’t try skydiving!
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It is not the actual skydiving that hurts you - it is the sudden stop at the end. ;)
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
The key is to quit skydiving BEFORE you jump out of the plane. Very important to remember.
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why be against anyone who wants to serve his or her country?
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why be against anyone who wants to serve his or her country?
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To be honest I don’t know what you mean in the context of my article. In general there can be many reasons to be against someone that wants to serve their country.

How about the person that wants to serve but is not suited for service and ends up becoming more dangerous to the people he serves and himself than what is produced by the service. Look at President Carter, he served in the nuclear Navy and was good at it. He served as President of the United States and almost destroyed the nation and caused a world wide recession.

I am hopeful that the result of his service was not his intention but I fault him for his service.

I had people in the service and they would have served better if they worked for the enemy.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
I was in the Corps too and no one gave a bat's wing about it--"gay" wasn't even in the mates' lexicon. As for liberals giving a damn; you are entirely wrong.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
I was in the Corps too and no one gave a bat's wing about it--"gay" wasn't even in the mates' lexicon. As for liberals giving a damn; you are entirely wrong.
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Semper Fi bro! Please explain.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
Self explanatory: liberals arguably tend to be more openminded and less religious to be bothered by one's lifestyle. Semper Fi.
Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Self explanatory: liberals arguably tend to be more openminded and less religious to be bothered by one's lifestyle. Semper Fi.
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What an egregious stereotype.
Let me see if I understand this. If I choose to have the child rather than abortion I am against women’s rights. I am also told I hate women. Yet the liberals scream that a husband having sex with his own wife is rape. Yup, sounds open minded to me.

I wish to own a gun, it is legal for me to own a gun but wanting to own one makes me a potential killer.

I don’t support homosexuality. But I believe that what you do is your business as long as you don’t involve me. For this I am called a gay basher and hater.

I used to teach bible study and no where does it say we should hate sinners. But if I say this to a liberal I am a religious nut that does not deserve to speak because I am filled with hate.

When Pat Robertson ran for president the first thing the liberals pointed out was that his first child was born less than 9 months after he was married. Seems like people prying into his sexuality to me.

When Governor Bush ran for president the anti-war crowd screamed he was a traitor and draft dodger. Yet those same people were encouraging people to desert from the military and not fight in the war.

It was okay for President Clinton to lie to the American people and in a court of law but not okay for President Bush to lie to the American people.

The conservatives have gays and lesbians as part of our ranks as well as the so called religious right wing nuts. We have coloured people as well as white. We don’t notice these differences or parade them around in order to get votes. When I was in the democrat party that was not true, coloured people were put where they could be seen just to get votes, when they went after a person as a gay basher the gays were allowed to stand in the spot light. When they did not like a person that was gay they outted the person for the purpose of disgracing them. When the Governor of New Jersey was found out to be gay no one stood by his side in his sexual scandal as they did for President Clinton in his heterosexual sex scandal.

Yup more open minded than the evil conservatives, you might want to add less hypocritical too.
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Self explanatory: liberals arguably tend to be more openminded and less religious to be bothered by one's lifestyle.
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No, they are more concerned with the lifestyle. Bothered is probably too strong a term. They have a compelling need to know your lifestyle, whether there is a reason to or not. True conservatives (we are not talking about the Religious Right) dont care, and dont see it as a need. You commit a crime, does it matter who or what you are? Commit the crime, do the time. Period.

Same with the Military. You want to serve? Obey the rules. The rules say "fraternization". Your desire to fraternize with one sex of the other is your own business. Your acting upon it is the JAGs.
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Yup more open minded than the evil conservatives, you might want to add less hypocritical too.
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You've gone over the top in your harangue.
If I choose to have the child rather than abortion I am against women’s rights. I am also told I hate women.
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"Choose" is the essense here; you get no argument from me.
Yet the liberals scream that a husband having sex with his own wife is rape. Yup, sounds open minded to me.
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Hardly a civil response. If a woman deems--not screams--rape; she must hace a good reason.
I wish to own a gun, it is legal for me to own a gun but wanting to own one makes me a potential killer.
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Absurd; but you could indeed be a potential, accidental killer.
For this I am called a gay basher and hater.
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Called by whom? Some nutcase, not a liberal.
I used to teach bible study and no where does it say we should hate sinners. But if I say this to a liberal I am a religious nut that does not deserve to speak because I am filled with hate.
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You're contradicting yourself with hatred.
When Pat Robertson ran for president the first thing the liberals pointed out was that his first child was born less than 9 months after he was married. Seems like people prying into his sexuality to me.
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Only to point out his hypocrisy on abstinence. Personally, I really don't care.
When Governor Bush ran for president the anti-war crowd screamed he was a traitor and draft dodger. Yet those same people were encouraging people to desert from the military and not fight in the war.
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Sounds like somehting out of the diatribes of Hannity or O'Reilly.
It was okay for President Clinton to lie to the American people and in a court of law but not okay for President Bush to lie to the American people.
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Many professing abstinence think oral sex doesn't count. Besides, how can you acquaint deliberate disinformation to go to war with "I did not have sex with that woman."

Your acting upon it is the JAGs
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You're right. "Don't ask don't tell" is weak kneed. If I drop a bar of soap in the shower and I get assaulted, it's a crime, period.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
You've gone over the top in your harangue.
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Please excuse me, explain why.

"Choose" is the essense here; you get no argument from me.
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We have always had choice in this country including abortions, why is it that I am not allowed to choose to vote against abortions in my community and am forced to pay for it with my tax dollars?

Only to point out his hypocrisy on abstinence. Personally, I really don't care.
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Abstinence was not at issue then. It was because he is a preacher and had sex out of wedlock. Not against the bible or the law but for those ignorant of God’s law jump up and down pointing saying see, see, he is a hypocrite! It was designed to turn his base off from voting for him.

Called by whom? Some nutcase, not a liberal.
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Sorry my family was prominent in the democrat party in New York City. I was told in one rally that I was a gay basher because I did not embrace homosexuality.

You're contradicting yourself with hatred.
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Please show me.

Sounds like somehting out of the diatribes of Hannity or O'Reilly.
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I have not heard this from those people I got it from the locals I debate when we got to politics.

Many professing abstinence think oral sex doesn't count. Besides, how can you acquaint deliberate disinformation to go to war with "I did not have sex with that woman."
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Because there is no proof of deliberate misinformation to go to war but there is proof that president Clinton lied in court. He was impeached for it. Two courts of law found him guilty and the supreme court stripped him of his privilege to argue before them.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Please excuse me, explain why.
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You take matters too literally and are uptight.
I am not allowed to choose to vote against abortions in my community and am forced to pay for it with my tax dollars?
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Maybe it has no business being on the ballot. I agree, however, that tax dollars should not be for the privilege of choice.
I was told in one rally that I was a gay basher because I did not embrace homosexuality.
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Then the rally spewed venom, not commonsense.
Please show me.
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As I said, you're uptight, relax. When I used the term "arguably" you missed it became outraged as though I were saying that there are no openminded conservatives. That would be closeminded of me.
got it from the locals I debate when we got to politics.
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Then they're FOX freaks.
Because there is no proof of deliberate misinformation to go to war
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There's plenty of proof but Nancy doesn't want to go the route of impeachment--it's too disruptive. I'm saying Clinton was wrong but of little consequences; war has greater and tragic repercussions.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
You take matters too literally and are uptight.
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Okay.

Maybe it has no business being on the ballot. I agree, however, that tax dollars should not be for the privilege of choice.
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Abortion has always been on the ballot. It was legal in 20 or 30 states before Roe V Wade. It was not legal in Texas where she lived. She could have left the state and gotten one. The funny thing is that all the democrat controlled states abortion was illegal. With Roe V Wade they have twisted the laws to ensure my money is used to kill children. I don’t like that.

Then the rally spewed venom, not commonsense.
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It and President Carter were the reasons I left the democrat party.

As I said, you're uptight, relax. When I used the term "arguably" you missed it became outraged as though I were saying that there are no openminded conservatives. That would be closeminded of me.
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Yes, it would be closed minded of you which is why since I don’t know you well yet I stated my opinion and did not understand your response so I asked you to make it clear for me. Thanks.

Then they're FOX freaks.
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Yeah right!  :) 

There's plenty of proof but Nancy doesn't want to go the route of impeachment
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I have been asking for years for someone of the opposition to lay it out for me. I did not care that Mr. Clinton lied, it was not a surprise that he did because I expected him to. When he lied in court I got pissed. He was a lawyer by trade, of all people he should have respected the institution he swore to uphold. From that point on it became personal for me rather than political.