Draginol Draginol

McCain or Obama? Down with both of them!

McCain or Obama? Down with both of them!

For the first time since I became old enough to vote, I'm seriously considering sitting out a Presidential election.

Obama, on the one hand, brings nothing to the Presidency other than a radical agenda that seems to have little understanding of how the real world works.  There's no circumstance that I would vote for him.

But to me, McCain's actually worse.  Unlike Obama, McCain actually took away our rights.  His "Campaign Finance Reform" stripped a lot of my fundamental freedoms. For instance, if there's a candidate I feel passionately for, I couldn't take out an ad for them in a newpaper right before the election. My ability to support a candidate has been greatly curtailed.  For that reason alone, I wouldn't vote for him.

But McCain has so many other reasons not to vote for him. His position on immigration,while not different from Obama's, has been presented far more arrogantly than anything Obama has done.  I was against any kind of "path to citizenship" nonsense. I don't want "comprehensive immigration reform". I want the current laws enforced. It has nothing to do with "racism" as McCain and his minions suggested.  How about this: Our company spends tens of thousands of dollars each year paying for legitimate visas and other red tape to legally employ foreign workers.  For McCain to even suggest that those who break the law should get a slap on the wrist or be ignored isn't incredibly offensive.  Does McCain plan to pay us back the $100k or so we've had to pay to do things by the book?

McCain's positions also often strike me as just pandering to the media. He's against drilling in ANWR? Why? He wants to push various "green positions"? Why? I'm not saying he shouldn't, I just think it's obvious he supports those positions to pander to his left-wing buddies in the media. I doubt he's very familiar on the issue.

The only argument for McCain I can really see is supreme court justice picking. But realistically, the next two court justices likely to go are on the left anyway and McCain is not likely to pick particularly conservative jurors, particularly with the Senate so far left.

Obama's position on taxes and such are largely harmless to the people he's targeting because Obama is too clueless to understand how the tax system really works.  My favorite proposal was Obama's suggestion that people who make over $250k a year would continue to pay FICA. That's the kind of proposal that only someone cluessless about the tax system would come up with.  All he'd do is create an incentive for people to get paid in dividends or disbursements instead of going through payroll which, in turn, would start to cut into Medicare payments (which are already uncapped).

So I say down with both of them. There's no lesser of two evils this time around.

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Reply #26 Top
maybe you should stop being such a know it all hoe.
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Oh wow. That was probably the single most dumbest thing you could have done. Even I have never gone down that road with LW. That was very childish, ignorant and disrespectful. And you wonder why you get verbally abused around here? Hey fellow JU readers of Liberal and or Democrat leanings, this is the kind of people that support your party. I hope you are proud.

Even Dr Guy who does not have a good relationship with LW chose to warn you about the dangerous road you have just taken.
Reply #27 Top
Its in your interest to vote for McCain
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Unless of course you prefer LIVING US soldiers and actual prosperity and job growth.
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This seems to be my philosophy too.
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Thinking for yourself got too difficult so you decided to become a rightwinger?
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Just because you pay more taxes it doesn't make you any more deserving nor does it make you contribute any more to society then the working man. most rich people wouldnt be where they are if it wasn't for them exploiting the poor for personal gain.
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However you want to rationalize it.  I am not sure what you mean by "working man". I typically work 60 to 70 hours a week.

I certainly don't exploit anyone. I just make things that other people want.

 

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I support wage caps and child limits. the rest i don't support.
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Perhaps you should emmigrate to China. It's none of the government's business how much free people make or how many children they have.

What you espouse is tyranny of the worst kind.

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Draginol, what about the VP slot? Do you see that as being able to persuade you one direction or another?
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There's no scenario where I would vote for Obama.  If McCain picked the right VP choice, it's possible but only because there's a pretty good chance McCain won't live his term.

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Thinking for yourself got too difficult so you decided to become a rightwinger?
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The irony of this statement is amazing.

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The irony of this statement is amazing.
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So you find inarguable facts to be ironic?
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maybe you should stop being such a know it all hoe.Figuring out that the little button that says 'QUOTE' right on it has something to do with making the neat little shaded boxes that surround and seperate the words of others, (thus making your own reply more readable and easily understood) is not exactly rocket science, assraptor. (And you could always ask someone. Foreign concept, I know...)And no, bolding certain parts of your response is not the same, although I must admit it's an improvement over the garbled messes you usually post.Do you even look at the screen in front of your face? The fact that you've had SO much to say on SO many topics yet haven't bothered to learn how to use the simple features these forums offer indicates a grotesque lack of intellectual curiosity, an incredible tendency towards laziness, and zero concern for clarity, accuracy, or understanding, yet we're to consider your 'informed' opinions on crucial matters like world politics?Ludicrous. You do your candidate NO favors with your public displays of ignorance and intolerance, and there are so many like you one has to wonder if you aren't secretly shills for McCain after all.In regards to the original topic: I know how Brad feels, I've felt the same way almost every time I've cast a vote in my adult life, endlessly choosing the lesser of two evils, or at least choosing to dance with the devils I knew rather than those I didn't.I'm not as fond of McCain as I am afraid of Obama, however, so I will be casting a vote for him this November.And once again I find myself advocating for a way to reject ALL the candidates and force the major parties to present us with a new lineup. In fact, I've already named the movement...the NOT-A Party. NoneOfTheAbove
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You are such a piece of shit cunt. all you do is make people feel bad cuz they arnt good spellers well your just an ugly bitch who had nothing better to do then belittle other peoples opinions , this is my last post cuz im obviously the only person on this forum who isnt a right wing fucking nut job , so enjoy your republican only forum where everyone agrees with you , you fucking selfish , evil right wing pieces of shit.

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It seems that all the ObamaBots started spewing their filth right about the time that Hillary conceded (except for TP). Which seems to indicate they are either very stupid seminar posters (no intelligence in any of the posts) or the same idiot wanting to try to fool the admins at Stardock.

If they are seminar posters, that really gives a good indication of both the intelligence of the Obama camp (none) and the candidate himself (a great text reader with no cognitive abilities).
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So you find inarguable facts to be ironic?
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What is an inarguable fact to you?  In my experience it's left-wingers who don't like to think for themselves. They're the ones who take marching orders from Moveon.org and lobby for government policies that would give the government increasing power over what we say, do, and think.

 

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You are such a piece of shit cunt. all you do is make people feel bad cuz they arnt good spellers well your just an ugly bitch who had nothing better to do then belittle other peoples opinions , this is my last post cuz im obviously the only person on this forum who isnt a right wing fucking nut job , so enjoy your republican only forum where everyone agrees with you , you fucking selfish , evil right wing pieces of shit.
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One thing I have noticed about far-left wingers is that if you're not far far to the left, you're not just a right winger but you're "evil".  

If not wanting the government to control what I can do and say makes me an "evil right winger" then so be it I guess.  My objection to McCain and Obama is that both have and continue to advocate policies that takes away freedoms from citizens and hands them to the federal government.

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all you do is make people feel bad cuz they arnt good spellers
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Azraptor85 ...re #36 .... When all one sees is the written word then all one has to judge the person with is that written word.

If the word is spelled poorly it often indicates a lack of maturity and/or education which degrades the opinion stated.

If the 'word' is 'piece of shit cunt' it's an all new interpretation of 'judgement'.  Typically if someone finds the need to resort to such invective he's telegraphing real communicative/cognitive issues.

Put simply, shock-value or not....people generally will write-off such a person's input/opinion outright....;)

Reply #39 Top

I would love to move away but other countries don't give away visa's. Cuba's healthcare is better then what we got here and best part is its free, plus 5 cent prescriptions.
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Bwahahahahahhahaha!

You should really talk to people that are from Cuba, and listen to their stories of the healthcare there.  You think you will get better treatment there than in the U.S.?  I really wish people like you would leave the U.S.

 

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You should really talk to people that are from Cuba, and listen to their stories of the healthcare there.
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Talk to the unwashed masses? Bwuhahahahaa! The elite cannot be concerned with the people!
Reply #41 Top

Frogboy,


Quick question, does the bwardell email at your company's domainname (trying to avoid typing out your email here in case of spambots and crawlers) (that is, stardock) work?  Just been trying to get through (with some technical questions and other things) there with no luck I think.

 

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coderunner - It is but I'm not very good at answering email I'm afraid, I'm innudated with it. IF you have a tech issue, probably best to contact support.  Cheers!

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Frogboy,


Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up!  I've been the guy peskering you about AI and AI development (rattasak <crazy long last name>).  I had thought that might be the case since SD is probably alot bigger now than back in ~05-06 when we talked about the AI in GC.

 

Cheers,

Rattasak

 

 

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If Jabberjaw Hussein manages to pull this off, I hope you'll be satisfied with his insane windfall profits taxes and protectionist policies 

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If Jabberjaw Hussein manages to pull this off, I hope you'll be satisfied with his insane windfall profits taxes and protectionist policies
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The American people will get the government they deserve either way.

 

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Children, children, children, can we have a decent conversation about who is the better candidate?
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Children, children, children, can we have a decent conversation about who is the better candidate?
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No.
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I would love to move away but other countries don't give away visa's.

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Finally an explanation for why so many Europeans, Africans, and Asians want to move to the US but not vice versa: other countries don't give away visa's [sic]. :-)


I was always wondering.

 

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Sigh, I don’t know why anyone bothers to argue about this subject.  All you have to do is look at the world around you to see case after case of countries moving AWAY from communism and socialism.  Why?  Because greed works.  People go to work because they want to by more material items.  The people who don’t work want to be given more items, because it is their ‘right’.  The left constantly makes the argument for socialized healthcare or any other leftist agenda by pointing at Cuba.  If Cuba is such a socialist Utopia then why to people risk their lives to swim form Cuba to this country?  If Communism-Socialism was so great why did the Soviet state fall?  Why has Eastern Europe gone with the Western Capitalist model rather than staying with the Communist one?

 

Hell, even in Cuba ( a country often sighted as a guideline for how to do every thing right ) is slowly moving away from communism.  Raul Castro just announced an increase in privately owned farms.  Why?  Because Cuba can not grow enough food to support it self because the majority of state owned farms are dismal failures.  No one could argue that Raul isn’t a die hard Communist.  But even he gets it!  Socialism-communism does not work!  Greed has created the greatest standard of living in this country the world has ever known.  It has created technological advances that have helped not just this country but the entire world.

 

I get the idea behind a communist state, protect the less fortunate all people are equal in wealth blah, blah, blah.  But it just doesn’t work!  There is only one truly communist state left in the world and that is North Korea.  Wow, what a garden spot that is.  The fashions, the starvation, the isolation from the rest of the world, what a concept.  There is no point in arguing with people on the radical left about their beliefs; they believe what they believe because it makes them feel good.  In a weird way it’s like religion.  You can’t scientifically prove God exits you either believe or you do not.  You can’t prove to the left that Communism-Socialism is a failed ideology because it makes them feel good and they are smart enough to realize that if only the stupid in the world could just see the light, then we would all be one step closer to true Communist enlightenment!  So stop wasting your time arguing with these people and concentrate on the ones who can still see logic and sway them away from emotional political thought to logical political thought.

 

On the subject made by the original poster, neither candidate is worth a flip.  I say let Obama win.  He will make Carter look like a genius.  It takes a bold radical look at the modern left in all its glory to remind people how foolish their agenda is.  Besides, I miss gas lines, double digit inflation, and tiny little despot countries like Iran kicking our ass.  Ahhh.. the good ole’ days.  Vote for Obama if you want  to bring back true American glory!

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Third term for Bush anyone? Better the devil you know.