Global Warming its real but it is just a cycle.

Cute. Not very accurate but close enough to point in the right direction. who is the kid?

me i put my dad as the user so i can participate in all of this

Yes, but never before (even during the ice ages) has CO2 gone above 275ppm (give or take a few.) People have caused a massive rise in the amount of carbon (and other global warming gases) in the atmosphere (its now at about 350 ppm.) Obviously, people have stuffed up the cycle, causing the current effects we are getting now. They have been going up since the Industiral revolution (ice core studies,) and are going up to this day.

Global Warming should be a slower process. Yes its natural for the earth to have hot and cold periods. While there are other nonhuman effects going on that are contributing to global warming, humans have accelerated the pace.

that is a bit dishonest don't you think?



You fail to provide evidence of this. Having studied this subject for 3 decades now I do not believe what you write is accurate. Every scientist will tell you that CO2 is a lagging indicator for warming and a forecaster of cooling. The last ten years has shown the Earth has been in a cooling trend. How does this square with what you say?



Wait a minute! It should be a slower process? All historical evidence says the opposite. It takes thousands of years to get global warming and less than 6 months to global cooling. Three thousand volcanoes erupting for a thousand years produced enough gases to trigger an ice age that lasted three million years. The change was sudden and remarkable. The average temp at the time was 200 degrees and suddenly we had ice three miles thick covering the globe. Our current average temp is 75 or 76 degrees. It only took the Sun a few thousand years to turn the Sahara valley into the Sahara desert. That desert is 11 thousand years old and still growing. How do you explain that since we are in the midst of man made global warming according to you? How do you explain how we have been on a cooling trend the last 10 years while everyone has been screaming CO2 levels cause global warming?

It is a cycle that has been going on for millions of years. Man just showed up at the end of the last ice age and has yet to see a full cycle. We have only been documenting the weather patterns for the last 200 years or so and have only been accurately mapping the weather for the last 20 years. We can only forecast the local weather four days in advance, but the Global Warming nuts are going to tell us what the weather will be like in ten or twenty or fifty years. With only that short amount of time to gain documentation how do you know what is cyclic and what is an aberration?

Our orbit around the sun has been circular for the last few thousand years. Polaris is our north star but in the beginning of recorded history another star was our north star. That is because of our wobble, back then we had very cold conditions now with Polaris as the North Star we have warmer weather the last 7 thousand years. Prior to that the orbit was elliptical, all based on the wobble of the planet and the gravitational force of the Sun as it travels around the galaxy. Since it takes about 250 million years to make one orbit around the galaxy and man has only seen 10 thousand years of that orbit how do you know what influences are from crossing the galactic plane and the Sun’s activity in conjunction with the Earths rotation speeding up as it has been documented since 1900? None of this has been taken into account by the so called global warming experts. There are other huge gaps not taken into account so if you eliminate all the other influences on this planet except man made products then yes, man is the cause of global warming. If you include all the things left out of studies and reports then man does not even register as a factor in our global climate.

We have had heat waves, and cold spells throughout time, man as not even seen 1% of what this world is about but based on what little you know you sit back on your arrogant butts and say it is all mans fault. The stuff I am telling you is not new. It has been common knowledge for 100 years, most of it has been proven to be a scientific fact. Ignore all those facts and you get man made global warming. Because you have to ignore so many facts it proves the argument of man made global warming is false, a lie, a hoax, a con job.

About the tempritures (recent) and historical, compare with CO2 graph (recent) and CO2 graph (ice core studies.)

They appear to have peaked and are going down again. This graph has appeared to end at about 2005. However, the overwheming trend is obvious, since about 1950, its been going up. Where we are now (in terms of abnormality) we are far above where we where during the recent 'warming periods.'

Scientiffic opnion on climate change

Just for balance: List of scientists opposing the mainstream assesment of climate change

As you can see, its pretty much accepted fact among scientists that climate change is real. Of course, they are all just part of the liberal conspiracy . In all seriousness, there are very few scientists opposing the notion of climate change. Everyone knows that we have had heat waves and cold spells, over time the trend has been up.

Besides, why would people want to 'fake' global warming anyway? It seems like an excuse not to act.

Pleases explain how this is an abnormality? If I remember correctly the winters of 1948 and 49 were the worst winters in a century. According to the first graph you linked it showed a high CO2 level. Is that a bad graph or is it as I have stated that CO2 levels are a forecaster of cold weather. The New York Times was talking about the coming ice age.

You see in the short term yes, there is a spike. In the course of the planet which has cycles of 20 thousand years there is not much of a spike. I have also mentioned that the Sun is getting larger and as it expands the planets get warmer.

The second chart you linked showed a steady rise in temp. That is good since it goes along with what scientists have been saying since the 1960’s that we are still coming out of the last big ice age. I mean you do know that without our atmosphere the temperature on this planet would be about 240 degrees right? You know the same temp as on the moon. So if that is normal then we are well below normal. I also noticed that the chart only goes back 2000 years but does not cover the last ice age and the recovery the planet is making from that.

The third chart is a joke right? there has been a steady eruption for a volcano there since the early 80’s and it was belching for years before that, don’t you think that at 1.4 million tons of carbon put out daily you would see it as well as temps going up. I mean the last time I checked volcanoes were warm sort of.

The fourth chart is strange since we are putting out less carbon now than 100 years ago according to the IPCC. It is an established fact that the 1800 was the worst for mankind and pollution. So if we are putting out less carbon why are the numbers still going up?

The fifth link is really cute. Two months ago the IPCC had to recant its never been published report on Global Climate Change because all the scientific data conflicts with the opinions of the scientist. You see there is a difference between theory and fact. The theory is that man is the cause of climate change. The facts dispute this theory. Also please don’t use Wikipedia as your source because it is a free site. What I mean by that is that you can post whatever you want on the site and unless it is challenged it will stay up there. I can say that Ronald Reagan is still alive and until someone points out that we buried him they won’t take it off the site. I can then use it as proof that he is not dead. Try the kook fringe sites that I use like NASA.

Thanks for trying to be balanced but I still don’t hold stock in Wikipedia. It will point you in the right direction but as a sole source it is suspect because anyone can input what they want as fact.

Based on what you have written you seem like a rational person so far. Do the research yourself. Start with the largest cause of global warming, the Sun. see how it has been expanding over the centuries and warming up all the planets. Based on the planets atmospheric composition some of the planets get hotter faster. Look at Mars for example. It has an atmosphere of carbon dioxide. It is toxic to humans. We have not burned any trees or coal and yet the global temperature is -75 degrees on the hottest day of the year. This does not sound like CO2 is much of a greenhouse gas.



The fact of global warming or climate change has never been in doubt. It is a scientific fact and no rational person has ever disputed it.

The arguments start to fly when scientist argue that man is the sole cause of this warming or cooling. Don’t confuse the two points. One is that there is global climate change. The second is that man is the blame. People who are disputing the findings of these reports don’t disagree as to the change just that man is the sole cause.

Just for the record a consensus is not fact it is an agreement with something. The millions of people around the world that are still members of the flat earth society have a consensus that the earth is flat. That does not make it a scientific fact.

It was a scientific belief that women did not have orgasms. The clitoris was a piece of useless flesh in the scientific world. It did not even have a name until the 1890’s and not until the 1950’s was it known to be one of the causes of orgasms in women. So much for scientific consensus.

Whom indeed, ever notice that the only cures for this global warming are ones that wreck the economies of the world? In the 70’s we were supposed to spend billions of dollars to put soot on the ice caps to help them melt and save us from the next ice age. That was the scientific consensus of the day. Before that we were all going to die from global warming, and before that we were all going to die from the coming ice age. Each time it was only ten to twenty years from becoming irreversible. Go back to the NYT articles dating as far back as 1870 and you will see the trend of warming cooling warming over and over again. What makes this current fad any different? Each time they produced the best science of the day. It is a hoax that has not been proven in any way to be factual. It is a cycle that has not changed since before we were the dominant species on the planet.

I don’t think it is faked as much as it is inaccurate. If you want to pay your bills you do a study with grant money. The current fad is global warming so grants went out to study it. If there was money in studying mating of worms you would have a ton of reports on worms and mans the cause of too many or too few worms. Don’t get confused by the reports as time has gone by they are debunked or sent to a file and forgotten as soon as the next fad that pays comes around. If there were huge grants for global cooling then you would see reports on that instead.
Oh wait there were huge grants on global cooling. All throughout the 70’s there were reports on the coming ice age. What stopped those findings of facts? The temperature when up instead of down and they all jumped on the global warming band wagon. Now it has been documented that the temp has been on a downward trend the last decade while they were pointing to global warming the have changed the argument to man made global climate change. This way they can do studies on both sides of the facts.

NASA put out several reports that the Sun is getting larger, and will eventually expand to encompass the orbits of Mercury, Venus and maybe the Earth as well. Logic says if the Sun is expanding then the heat from that star will expand with it. Since we can’t stop that from happening the only thing we can do is blame man and hope no one notices the big yellow thing in the sky getting bigger until the grant check has cleared the bank. The reports from NASA have been confirmed by ESA and the Japanese space agencies as well as colleges around the world. Not one is in dispute of this fact. The only dispute so far is whether the Sun will expand to swallow the Earth or if it will only expand just short of the Earth’s orbit. Either way it will get sucked into the Sun the only difference is when. The point is moot though because before it expands to the orbit of Venus we will all be dead anyway.

Even the world is now widely experiencing global warming it is a hindrance for some people in some part of Caribbean Island to find for some vast of hidden treasure. Some people obsess over hidden treasure.  Dreams of finding some vast hidden treasure out on some Caribbean Island is usually a byproduct of watching too many pirate movies and not researching what actually went on with them.  (Most pirate raids were for primarily two things, food and booze.)  Anyway, a lot of people are looking for where Madoff stashed his loot, and they'd get some short-term loans to try and find out just where it was he hid it.  It is highly unlikely that he hid a treasure chest full of cash and bond coupons, so anyone looking to get out the metal detector will just have to get used to disappointment – as they won't likely find any of his hidden treasure.