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Does sales ever answer the phone?

Does sales ever answer the phone?

My wife purchased TPM 2008 as a gift for me yesterday.  She screwed up the address portion of the purchasers info twice and the order was rejected twice, and on the third time the purchase went through.

When she checked her credit card, she had been charged for THREE purchases, even though she had only purchased the game once.

She sent an email to Stardock sales about this, and they referred the matter to TECHNICAL SUPPORT.  I've been trying to reach Stardock sales since 9am, but they're not answering the phone this morning.  Does anyone know when they deign to take calls from customers?
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Reply #26 Top
We received your messages and will get back to you ASAP.

I tried to locate order attempts under the email address you have registered with our site, but could not find anything. We will be able to pinpoint exactly what happened with your failed orders once we have the email address you used while placing the orders.
Reply #27 Top
When will we get proper paragraph formatting?
I checked the HTML formatting and it appears that is how the user wrote it.  (:(
Reply #28 Top
Aah....another old thread kept alive by a problem that could have been solved through another one
When will we get proper paragraph formatting?


I had a lot to say, quickly...besides, it's a post not a formal document. I'm amazed @ the lack of maturity and business sense! Complaining about customers in plain site of where they can read it, not exactly smart practice, lol.
Reply #29 Top
Yes, that is how I wrote it. I never claimed to be a computer pro or even very familiar w/html. Just tried to make a point, if you're going to pick at me then pick at what I said. If all you can find to pick at is "how" I said it, then you're clearly just desperate to make a dig, lol.

We received your messages and will get back to you ASAP.I tried to locate order attempts under the email address you have registered with our site, but could not find anything. We will be able to pinpoint exactly what happened with your failed orders once we have the email address you used while placing the orders.


Thank you for your very polite response, I greatly appreciate that. I was just as confused because I tried to track my order on your site as well, using my email and came up empty handed too. It's as if the order not only didn't process right, but rather didn't process at all. Strange, maybe just bad timing or something. I admit I tend to have that sort of luck. Thanks again.
Reply #30 Top

He has a point about them not answering their phone. I've called dozens of times before and never once have I ever spoken to someone. Always goes to the voicemail. If they work with or do work for big companies like Microsoft, Asus, etc... then they shouldn't have a problem hiring enough staff to answer the phones. At least switchboard or something. I order from the net constantly and have never experienced this with any other site, even the most rinky-dink cheap sites. I'm a business owner myself and I know that turns off a lot of business. I, for instance, was so excited about all the products Stardock has to offer that when my husband asked what I wanted for my aniversary gift, I told him I wanted just about every single program they have. I was surprised when he told me to go ahead and order them all. So for two days straight I tried to call, over and over, it was rediculous. I wanted to call because I wanted to get the cd versions on all of them and the link for the desktop ultimate cd order didn't work online. Plus I had a few questions, I just wanted to be able to speak to a human being. After two days of calling over and over between 9-4, both on weekdays and not one time of getting through, I was very frustrated. I still wanted the products though, so I decided to go ahead and just try to order one of them online, went through all the usual steps, then after I gave my c.c. it just went back to the original page. No confirmation, order #, nothing. I've been religiously checking my email and I'm pretty sure it didn't go through. That was a few days ago. By the way, I've also left plenty of messages when I've called and yes, gave my name and number. I'm so completely disqusted at this point I don't know if I should even bother wasting anymore of our time trying to hunt down stardock to GIVE them a bunch of money. Personally, I think it's just a horrible reflection on their customer service. Whether it annoys you or not, I think u have it backwards. The businesses are suppose to compete for the customer's money, the customer shouldn't have to have this kind of difficulty. Yes, the high demands of todays customers are pretty darn tough, but if you don't keep up with the competition, you will ultimately lose. Sad, but that's just life and how the world is today. Can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen. It's already been proven that a customer will go elsewhere simply because of their experience with a particular company. After all, speaking as a would-have-been customer, I was prepared to purchase just about every software product that stardock is currently offering because I was literally in awe of all the things I could do with all of it. However, once I realized that if I needed to speak to someone, it would be...well, so far by experience impossible, my excitement and desire for the products has since dwindled. It may just be a matter of opinion, but I learned very quickly that keeping my customers, even the cranky ones happy, to the best of my ability, has paid off. Seriously though, being able to speak to someone on the phone is a very basic expected thing from all customers. Come on, that is completely validated! Customers don't want to hear your excuses, they simply don't care! That's just reality. BTW, customer satisfaction is key, within reason of course, you never leave a customer unhappy. If they feel that they have been somehow inconvenienced or mistreated, etc...closing the deal/sale then, by only giving them what they have already purchased, will NOT restore their confidence in you. It's then that you have to go above and beyond by giving them something extra that will, in their mind, makeup for their negative experience, therefor allowing you to regain their trust in your customer service and also restore, within them, the desire to remain YOUR customer rather than just moving on to the next company.

My opnion is that individuals who require such instant service from their purchase of a $20 program should choose not to purchase from Stardock.

As soon as someone calls us on the phone, any profit that there was on a $20 program is lost.  

I'm afraid it is you that has things backwards. The customer / developer relationship is a relationship of equals.  You trade your money for our product that we've produced.  We do provide a pretty considerable level of free support but instant free phone support is not one of that.  Other companies who need this pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for that kind of service.  It is certainly not going to be available for free on a $20 purchase.

If individuals such as yourself and the original poster simply chose to never purchase anything from us again, we would be better off.  Please keep that in mind.  

I'm not trying to be rude or mean.  I am just trying to help you and others undrestand that there is a difference between purchasing something from a manufacturer (Stardock) and from a retailer (Best Buy).  When you're buying something from us, it is strictly a trade (money for product). 

I had a lot to say, quickly...besides, it's a post not a formal document. I'm amazed @ the lack of maturity and business sense! Complaining about customers in plain site of where they can read it, not exactly smart practice, lol.

Well as someone who complains about customers all the time but yet manages to have a $20+ million company I think I would say that being critical of difficult consumers is not bad business sense.  Any user who thinks that the relationship between us and them isn't a relationship of equals should not purchase from us. 

-Brad Wardell, President & CEO, Stardock Corp.

Reply #31 Top
My opnion is that individuals who require such instant service from their purchase of a $20 program should choose not to purchase from Stardock.
As soon as someone calls us on the phone, any profit that there was on a $20 program is lost.  
I'm afraid it is you that has things backwards. The customer / developer relationship is a relationship of equals.  You trade your money for our product that we've produced.  We do provide a pretty considerable level of free support but instant free phone support is not one of that.  Other companies who need this pay hundreds of thousands of dollars a year for that kind of service.  It is certainly not going to be available for free on a $20 purchase.
If individuals such as yourself and the original poster simply chose to never purchase anything from us again, we would be better off.  Please keep that in mind.  
I'm not trying to be rude or mean.  I am just trying to help you and others undrestand that there is a difference between purchasing something from a manufacturer (Stardock) and from a retailer (Best Buy).  When you're buying something from us, it is strictly a trade (money for product).
 

I never said anything about demanding "instant" service (that was the other guy remember?), lol, if you read what I said I was prepared to buy just about EVERY product (not $20 worth)! I think that I should at least, at some point, have a CHANCE of speaking to someone on the phone. My goodness, you guys totally missed my point, and apparently neglected to really read what I was trying to say! I just wanted to be able to ask a few questions. I think a consumer has that right. Be reasonable.

I understand that to you, it's just a "trade" of money for product, however clearly stating that you basically don't give a flip about how your customers feel about their experience with you is pathetic. I wasn't trying to be a demanding customer, all I was trying to do was make a point that you all clearly missed. If you're gonna complain about losing money on free phone support (BTW I didn't want support, I wanted to order), then why even leave a number for people to call to order? Let me break it down for you, I wanted to pick up the phone, dial the number your website says to call to place an order, hear back from someone at least, at some reasonable point in time, so I could ask a few simple quick questions, then make my purchase. That's all. Since I couldn't get my order to go through online (my preferred way of ordering anyway), how else did you expect me to feel about that experience. Especially being my first impression of you?

I had a lot to say, quickly...besides, it's a post not a formal document. I'm amazed @ the lack of maturity and business sense! Complaining about customers in plain site of where they can read it, not exactly smart practice, lol.

Well as someone who complains about customers all the time but yet manages to have a $20+ million company I think I would say that being critical of difficult consumers is not bad business sense.  Any user who thinks that the relationship between us and them isn't a relationship of equals should not purchase from us. 
-Brad Wardell, President & CEO, Stardock Corp.


Lol, then you most certainly could afford a sufficient staff, your obviously just a very greedy person that cares only about taking peoples money, and getting pissy like a little baby when a customer wants you to do your job by providing a bit more ease for people to GIVE YOU THEIR MONEY! If I'm being labeled as a "difficult" customer because I'm complaining about not being able to give you my money, then you got me there. My husband and I both (also very successful business people), are laughing hysterically right now. This is just plain amusing! Kinda like watching a grown man in a suit having a temper tantrum equal to that of a five year old! Very funny!


Reply #32 Top
Also, if you want to make money by selling to businesses AND consumers than you are opening yourself up to having issues like this! You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too, but the reality is that consumers need customer service, period. If you actually put money into providing REAL customer service you could easily double your revenue. However, if you keep treating consumers this way, then you'll eventually piss off enough people that your only choice then will be selling B2B only.

By selling to the public, you are acting as a retailer, therefor your retail customers will always want some sort of customer service! You brought this on yourself, deal with it or do something about it! But don't get pissy because people want what they're used to getting from retailers. If that's too "difficult" for you, then maybe you should rethink things.

It's funny, all this just because we wanted someone to answer the phone b/c of problems ordering on your site...
Reply #33 Top
MissMickey, I am really sorry that your first experience here in the store, the forums, and on the phone has given you a boor impression of Stardock.  I'd like to think that it's a relative anomaly.

Stardock is a small shop with a relatively small staff.  The advantages is that we get a lower price point and a very agile development and support group.  The consumers are a very large part of the process.  The service really is exceptional but is also very much not phone-focused.  Email is the preferred method of communication.  It allows for much better resource allocation and time management.

In regards to your forums post and the following criticsim/homor: People here want to help.  Huge blocks of text are hared to read and there may have been a bit of well-intentioned social engineering.  No malice was intended.  Posting your block of text on a thread that already had an irate post influences what you wrote (or what was read).  Part of the reaction of members her might have been a reaction to that.
If you decide to post again (and I hope you do once all this is resolved) may I suggest making a unique post with yoru issues.  The response might be better.

When you called Stardock for those two days did you leave a message so they could call you back?  I've never known them to ignore a customer unless the voicemails were overly aggressive or rude.

Lastly . . the store works pretty well for most folks.  Posting here in th forums what issues or questions you had may have resolved your issue much faster than calling.  Did you know know about the forums before you posted in this thread?

Reply #34 Top

By selling to the public, you are acting as a retailer, therefor your retail customers will always want some sort of customer service! You brought this on yourself, deal with it or do something about it

Or...what? 

In my view, doing something about it means dissuading problematic or difficult customers from making purchases from us.  You seem to be under the illusion that we need everyone's business.  We don't.  We've been around for 15 years, I think we have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't.

Lol, then you most certainly could afford a sufficient staff, your obviously just a very greedy person that cares only about taking peoples money, and getting pissy like a little baby when a customer wants you to do your job by providing a bit more ease for people to GIVE YOU THEIR MONEY! If I'm being labeled as a "difficult" customer because I'm complaining about not being able to give you my money, then you got me there.

I'm less greedy than the customer who posted this thread who on top of their $20 purchase expects instant phone support on top of it.   If your husband and I are such "successful business people" then perhaps you should have one of your minions show you how to use on-line purchasing.  Given the volume of purchases we get each day, I think it's safe to say that most people find purchasing a product fairly easy. 

My husband and I both (also very successful business people), are laughing hysterically right now. This is just plain amusing! Kinda like watching a grown man in a suit having a temper tantrum equal to that of a five year old! Very funny!

I do agree with you that it does appear that someone in this conversation is throwing a temper tantrum.

Reply #35 Top
MissMickey,

I just called you, but the phone rang multiple times and went to voicemail.

The easiest way to reach us is via email at [email protected] and we can answer any questions that you may have. We work longer than our posted business hours, so we get through emails much faster. We only have 3 emails in the [email protected] queue at this moment, so you would most likely get a reply tonight, if you email within the next hour. The office tends to empty out after 5:30pm.
Reply #36 Top
No, this is my first time here. I actually did a google search "stardock not answering phone" and this was one that came up in the results. I did that to see if others were experiencing the same problem. I appreciate your kind response, you seem like a nice person. Probably hard to believe, but I'm nice too, but I've just never experienced this sort of treatment before, so I got out of hand, lol. I understand everything you said. I'll do as you advised in the future, regarding possible issues.

Yes, I did leave quite a few messages that 2nd day I called. Thank you very much for being so helpful. If I can calm my husband down and he says it's ok, maybe I'll try to order again, lol. I'll also keep in mind that emailing you guys is the better route. Hopefully we can clear this up. Thanks again!  ;) 
Reply #38 Top
MissMickey,I just called you, but the phone rang multiple times and went to voicemail.The easiest way to reach us is via email at [email protected] and we can answer any questions that you may have. We work longer than our posted business hours, so we get through emails much faster. We only have 3 emails in the [email protected] queue at this moment, so you would most likely get a reply tonight, if you email within the next hour. The office tends to empty out after 5:30pm.


I'm sorry, my phone was nearly dead so it's on the charger. I've been on here posting the whole time so didn't hear it. I will send you an email right away. Thank you! So there ARE some sweet people at Stardock!  :CONGRAT: 
Reply #39 Top
 :CONGRAT:

(I am a registered "he"  ;))
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Reply #40 Top
By selling to the public, you are acting as a retailer, therefor your retail customers will always want some sort of customer service! You brought this on yourself, deal with it or do something about it

Or...what? 
In my view, doing something about it means dissuading problematic or difficult customers from making purchases from us.  You seem to be under the illusion that we need everyone's business.  We don't.  We've been around for 15 years, I think we have a pretty good idea of what works and what doesn't.

Lol, then you most certainly could afford a sufficient staff, your obviously just a very greedy person that cares only about taking peoples money, and getting pissy like a little baby when a customer wants you to do your job by providing a bit more ease for people to GIVE YOU THEIR MONEY! If I'm being labeled as a "difficult" customer because I'm complaining about not being able to give you my money, then you got me there.

I'm less greedy than the customer who posted this thread who on top of their $20 purchase expects instant phone support on top of it.   If your husband and I are such "successful business people" then perhaps you should have one of your minions show you how to use on-line purchasing.  Given the volume of purchases we get each day, I think it's safe to say that most people find purchasing a product fairly easy. 

My husband and I both (also very successful business people), are laughing hysterically right now. This is just plain amusing! Kinda like watching a grown man in a suit having a temper tantrum equal to that of a five year old! Very funny!

I do agree with you that it does appear that someone in this conversation is throwing a temper tantrum.


You are truly halarious! How about this, why don't you go onto a regular computer, go to your website, then where it shows you where to order Object Desktop Ultimate press on the little link that says "order cd version here", and see what happens. I'm not a moron. I'm a normal female that LOVES shopping, especially online. You could consider me a pro I shop so much. Never had a problem before! Get over yourself, lol. I'll continue talking with your staff instead. You irritate me, why don't you go play golf or something, lol.
Reply #43 Top
go to your website, then where it shows you where to order Object Desktop Ultimate press on the little link that says "order cd version here", and see what happens
I hate to be "one of them" but this is what I see using FF3 and IE7:


Reply #44 Top
Guess "froggyboy" decided to play golf
Poking fun of someone else doesn't make you better than them you know.  ;)
Reply #45 Top

You do know, "Miss Mickey" that being a customer doesn't give you the right to be obnoxious or abusive.  Your next response in that area will result banning you.  I can assure you, we don't want your business. 

In fact, I'm going to cut to the chase and just ban you outright. If you're this much of an ass now, I can't imagine what you'd be like after we've actually taken money from you.  Please shop elsewhere.

Reply #46 Top
Brad is a good guy but you would be surprised at the amount of entitlement based threads that get posted here, If I were him I'd exercise the delete thread option several times a day. He's usually extremely helpful, as is the Stardock staff.


Zubaz, quit wearing girly clothes and you wont have that problem in the future..  ;p 
Reply #47 Top
I do appologize, I felt that he had insulted me so I insulted him. I don't believe I'm better than anyone, if anything I thought the otherway around about him. But anyway, you are right Zubaz, this was all childish anyway.

Wow! That's just crazy, cause it's still doing it on both my computer and my husbands??? He's been ordering stuff from ebay and all kinds of other sites all day, so I'm just confused. Let me go try our other computers.

Reply #48 Top
meh.

I tried.  Win some lose some.
Reply #49 Top
For petes sake, can everyone lighten up, geez, i had a similar problem with MicroCenter, and after 2 business days all the charges were removed except for the actual thing i had bought