Democratic "playbook" calls for lies and ...

Whats up Dems? Can't win so you gotta lie?

from JoeUser Forums
Today I read an article in our local paper, then I heard it on the radio, and then I do what I usally do. I check it out for myself to make sure what I am hearing is what is really going on. You see I do not trust completly any mass media source. They all are seriously flawed and have forgotten that its their job to get to the bottom of the truth, not put a spin on it. SO I was of course more than a little wary of what I was hearing.

What I was hearing was that there is a election day manual by the Democratic National Committee that calls for its members during election day to make false news releases, lie about voter fruad and to generally try to throw as many wrenches in the process as they can. What??? I thought this just can't be. I can understand some hard pressed lively talk, maybe even a protest or two but to actually tell your "operatives" to "launch a pre-emptive strike". My word that sounds a lot like a terrorist manual. Do we not have enough to do election day to make sure that people get to the polls, that people are not prevented in any way from voting? Yet the DNC thinks it should make false news releases, even if no voter problems are present.

The 60+ page manual list tactics and issues to raise. Here is the part that was found the most disturbing:

What the document says

A page from the Democrats' "Colorado Election Day Manual: A detailed guide to voting in Colorado" appeared on the Drudge Report.

• Chapter 2 says: "If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a pre-emptive strike."

• Operatives are directed to issue a news release "reviewing Republican tactics used in your area or state."

• They should also quote "party/minority/ civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting."

OK now read those again. "Operatives"?, "pre-emptive strike"? What kind of comments/instructions are those? Is this a manual for Americans or someone trying to prevent voting in Iraq?

Whoever wrote this should be drummed out of the DNC. If the DNC wants those that think with open minds on the issues to even consider what they are saying, they need to say it without trying to use scare tactics and lies.

Shame on you DNC!!
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Reply #1 from PolMach Forums Top
Lee has posted the same thing as well under the title "Let Slip the Dogs of Law" and I agree this is a new low for any political party even Alan Colmes had a hard time defending it and agreed that Kerry should come out and denounce it by saying they will not use such underhanded tactics.

- Grim X
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Coupled with Republican backed "voter registration" groups tearing up registration forms of democrats in Oregon and Nevada -- both sides seem to be doing a high level of dirty tricks this time out...blah on both parties.
Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #3 from PolMach Forums Top
True Myrrh but don't forget to add Colorado to the list of voter registration problems.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Colorado? What's happening there? j/k

BTW to all -- I wasn't trying to insinuate that only Republicans are screwing around with voters this year. Dems are guilty guilty guilty, too!
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Coupled with Republican backed "voter registration" groups tearing up registration forms of democrats in Oregon and Nevada


Please show me your source for this, I heard the same thing and wanted to comment on it but could not find any factual basis or reporting on it, more rumor than anything else.
Reply #6 from PolMach Forums Top
Although I would put none of this past either party, this particular item -- the election day manual -- has fake written all over it.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
" Coupled with Republican backed "voter registration" groups tearing up registration forms of democrats in Oregon and Nevada"


Eric Russell, the guy who claims to have seen 10 forms shredded was fired by them over a month ago, and now is coming forward with skeery accusations.

The difference is pretty obvious to me. One is the act of the DNC, the othe an unproven accusation against a third party. Not really a balance, imho.

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Draginol posted a link to a voter registration fraud report site, which pointed out (amongst its MANY allegations of fraud, nationwide) how CBS, when it did a report on the subject, somehow managed to only report on the two instances of Republican-based fraud. Somehow the other 50+ instances (which were Democratic) went unreported.
Reply #9 from PolMach Forums Top
Politics - n - 1. From Latin "poly" meaning many and "tics" meaning blood-sucking creatures.

I forget where I saw this joke but I think it fits.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
I heard it on NPR yesterday. You can listen to their report here: Link

Here's a link to the story on a Las Vegas local CBS affiliate: Link

Here's one from an Oregon local station: Link

It's still under investigation, and I know the Republican Party in Nevada has issued a statement saying they won't deal with the company that did this any longer.
Reply #12 from PolMach Forums Top
Although I would put none of this past either party, this particular item -- the election day manual -- has fake written all over it.


Uhm you do know this LINK here is from the official DNC website?

So if the official DNC website is not denying it but proving it exists than how is it a fake?

Let alone they had copies of it on Hannity and Colmes; the complete manual.

Pay special attention to part or section II, point 2.

- Grim X
Reply #13 from PolMach Forums Top
'Vote early and vote often' - "Boss" Tweed

Since we brought up Gangs of New York I figured I would plug Tweed's famous quote.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
I wonder if we'll have priests and vampire hunters stationed in Chicago to prevent the hoards of undead from voting. Nixon lost the 1960 election because of the undead vote. As long as entire cemetaries are registered and somehow cast their ballots, the Dems have a fighting chance, apparently.
Reply #16 from PolMach Forums Top
We need Ash, someone call Ash to fight the Army of Darkness and the Deadites!!

'Good, bad...I am the one with the gun!'

'Shop Smart, shop S-Mart!'

'Hail to the King!'

'Who loves ya baby?'



Speaking of that I heard rumors that a possible 'Evil Dead 4' is in the works.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Where exactly in the material that is quoted does it tell people to lie? This just sounds like more of the same BS tactics that both sides use. If what you have quoted is the most damning thing in that guide then you don't have jack, except for what you are choosing to read into it.

Simply pathetic.
Reply #18 from PolMach Forums Top
Where exactly in the material that is quoted does it tell people to lie? This just sounds like more of the same BS tactics that both sides use. If what you have quoted is the most damning thing in that guide then you don't have jack, except for what you are choosing to read into it.


Once again if you had seen my reply #12 I included a link directly from the good old DNC website.

http://www.democrats.org/news/200410140008.html

Not rumor, it is 100% legit, pay attention to Section II, Subsection 2 that implies that they take preventive action no matter what the action is.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Grim, I read reply #12 and I read the link you provided. Where is it telling them to lie?

implies that they take preventive action no matter what the action is.


Implies? This is exactly what I am talking about. People are reading into this what they want to be there. It just isn't there.

If I were a Democratic activist and I read that I wouldn't think for a second that it was telling me to lie.
Reply #20 from PolMach Forums Top
2. If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a "pre-emptive strike" (particularly well-suited to states in which there techniques have been tried in the past).

• Issue a press release

i. Reviewing Republican tactic used in the past in your area or state

ii. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting

• Prime minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking points

• Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat of intimidation tactics


Place stories, hmm, what if the minority leader says nothing because there is no voter intimidation in the area?

Alan Colmes was having a tough time defending this, wish they had asked Pat Caddell on this but they brought him in for the Cheney part.

- Grimcolm X
Reply #21 from PolMach Forums Top
What were we just complaining about a War and something about 'preemptive strikes' but I guess when you turn it to politics everything is alright?

'Vote early and vote often'

- 'Boss' Grim Xweed
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Do ANY of you expect John Kerry to disavow any knowledge of these voter fraud instructions, or denounce them?

You CAN'T be serious! Kerry probably WROTE the instructions!

The Democrats are the KINGS of voter fraud............I challenge ANY of you Kerry supporters to show me ONE instance of REPUBLICAN voter fraud in the 2000 or 2002 elections, and PROVE it with NON-PARTISAN internet links.
Reply #23 from PolMach Forums Top


Oh bad form MTV, bad form.

KiddieTV has hit a new low with this, don't you think so to?
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Place stories, hmm, what if the minority leader says nothing because there is no voter intimidation in the area?


Oh, I don't know...talk to other minority leaders until you get what you want? Wouldn't that be a more realistic standard operating procedure than lying?

Think about this from a common sense standpoint. Picture yourself as the person who wrote this manual. What would be the consequences of influencing thousands of activists to lie when you know that that the opposition will be watching them like hawks? Exactly, you know that a lot of them will get caught and thereby comepletely undermine what your "team" is trying to accomplish.

Doesn't make sense does it?

Alan Colmes was having a tough time defending this


That comes as no surprise.

What were we just complaining about a War and something about 'preemptive strikes' but I guess when you turn it to politics everything is alright?


I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
KiddieTV has hit a new low with this, don't you think so to?


Yes.