Education Reform

The real way to fix the education system

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The real way to fix the educational gap between this country and our "rival" countries in Europe and Asia is that we do not provide a higher education to those people who do not have the financial resources to get a college education. When you see someone poor on the street, or when you think about the poor people in America, you feel bad for them because maybe they didn't have the opportunity to go to college, and therefore they were disadvantaged. We should offer interest free loans to ALL American students who have at least a 2.5 to go to a community college, or a state college for those with a 3.5 or higher. The money would include room and board at state colleges (for those with a 3.5 or higher), through the college directly. Thus, the money would be paid to the college and student fraud would be prevented. The loans would be collected by the IRS, which would ensure that the revenue was collected. This is how we fix the education in this country. We don't have to spend money needlessly, we need to offer loans to people that actually allow people to further their education and provide the US with a more competitive work force.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Education Reform

By: sandy2
Posted: Thursday, October 14, 2004 on Rants and Raves
Message Board: Politics
The real way to fix the educational gap between this country and our "rival" countries in Europe and Asia is that we do not provide a higher education to those people who do not have the financial resources to get a college education.


This ain't the problem. If kids hitting college can't read well or do the higher math then what good is college going to do them? By the time they get there they're supposed to be able to do that stuff. Sorry but you're wrong. We need to start with lower and middle schools first! Although your post has a lot of merit.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
This ain't the problem. If kids hitting college can't read well or do the higher math then what good is college going to do them? By the time they get there they're supposed to be able to do that stuff. Sorry but you're wrong. We need to start with lower and middle schools first! Although your post has a lot of merit.


I am not sure of whether this problem of people not being able to read is true
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Reply #2 By: sandy2 - 10/17/2004 6:19:15 PM
This ain't the problem. If kids hitting college can't read well or do the higher math then what good is college going to do them? By the time they get there they're supposed to be able to do that stuff. Sorry but you're wrong. We need to start with lower and middle schools first! Although your post has a lot of merit.


I am not sure of whether this problem of people not being able to read is t


Actually I misrepresented this. They can read but they are reading 3-4 grades *below* the grade they're in IE:: A 10th grader reading at a 6-7 grade level.
Reply #4 from PolMach Forums Top
How about this for Education reform for College Level Education.

A Dollar for dollar tax credit so each dollar they pay they don't have to pay in taxes.

Enacting incentives that benefit the communities who help people PAY for college.

Work on the pay not on the getting into college because some people will not want to go period.

As for 10th graders reading at a 6-7 grade level, I was a 4th grader who read at a 10th Grade Level , than again I was in gifted but I slacked off and made adequate grades. Though I have noticed in my philosophy class that even now I read either equal to or above everyone in the class; though I am weak in other areas but reading is my forte.

- Grimiel Xebster
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Reply #4 By: Grim Xiozan - 10/17/2004 7:50:52 PM
How about this for Education reform for College Level Education.

A Dollar for dollar tax credit so each dollar they pay they don't have to pay in taxes.

Enacting incentives that benefit the communities who help people PAY for college.

Work on the pay not on the getting into college because some people will not want to go period.

As for 10th graders reading at a 6-7 grade level, I was a 4th grader who read at a 10th Grade Level , than again I was in gifted but I slacked off and made adequate grades. Though I have noticed in my philosophy class that even now I read either equal to or above everyone in the class; though I am weak in other areas but reading is my forte.

- Grimiel Xebster


Yeah, but Grim you gotta admit you and I are NO WHERE NEAR the "norm"!
Reply #6 from PolMach Forums Top
Yeah, but Grim you gotta admit you and I are NO WHERE NEAR the "norm"!


True but the key to education reform is not having Federal Government run schools but instead alleviates the financial burden for those who wish to go to College (Tax Credit Tax Credit Tax Credit). The GI Montgomery Bill is a good one; in fact once the VA gets around to it I will start getting the money from the Bill.


Reply #7 from PolMach Forums Top
I agree with Dr.Miller. American high school graudautes are horrible. American higher institutes are still considered as one of the tops in the world. Foreigner students flocked to enter our universities and graudate schools. However, our junior high school and high school systems are horrible. I am sure you heard of stories that immigrant children are so much more prepared when they come to our middle schools or high schools. That is because our school system is inferior to where they come from. This has nothing to do with money. China doesn't spend nearly the same amount we do on primary education. I don't think even 1/100th of our expense.

I have to say most people on the street are not there because they lack college or junior college education. Poor people on the street (as you put it) lack primary education. Let me put it this way, most American do not graduate from college, but most Americans are not on the street. To say homeless people lack college education is not address the real problem.

It is like saying car accidents can be reduced if Americans are encouraged to take race car trainning.
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Reply #6 By: Grim Xiozan - 10/17/2004 8:43:14 PM
Yeah, but Grim you gotta admit you and I are NO WHERE NEAR the "norm"!


True but the key to education reform is not having Federal Government run schools but instead alleviates the financial burden for those who wish to go to College (Tax Credit Tax Credit Tax Credit). The GI Montgomery Bill is a good one; in fact once the VA gets around to it I will start getting the money from the Bill.


Grim I hate to say this, but I think your missing the point of what I was saying. What good is college or for that matter paid college tuition if the sudent is not academicly ready for college?
Reply #9 from PolMach Forums Top
Oh sorry about not answering your question directly, the key to getting the education up is give the control of that school back to state and communities, also by giving a Tax Credit those families can leave those schools and go to one that provides a better product and not have to pay for a school in which they don’t have a child in.

As for a student getting educated, only teachers, parents and the individual concerned can control that.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Grim, I never was in favor of government run schools. I said we would give loans to the students to pay for college.