Kids voting

we want bush because we know what he can do and he can fight (freely and rightfully) for the welbeing of our country. Kerry says hes a christian, then he says hes not then he says he is. I dont want somebody like that for a president! I want somebody who can look from all perspectives and say hey we have to do this for the better of our country not somebody who will be flip flopping and cant decide for himself and putting our country in danger by procrastinating.

Who do you consider to be kids?

Kids vote in the USA??? ref reply 2: who do u consider kids?

Kerry says hes a christian, then he says hes not then he says he is. I dont want somebody like that for a president!

I honestly can't recall Kerry denouncing his christianity iin the campaign.

I want somebody who can look from all perspectives and say hey we have to do this for the better of our country not somebody who will be flip flopping and cant decide for himself and putting our country in danger by procrastinating.

Kerry has been critisized by even some of his freinds for seeing too many sides to an issue, too many solutions for a problem, and working with groups to find the best solution.

Bush on the other hand has been critisized for being too myopic on issues, and not doing the research.

I'm a moderate independent, and don't support either of these canidates too strongly. But I think the issue of Kerry's flip flopping is blown out of perportion by the conservatives. His main flip flop has been about the whole "I actually voted for the war before I voteed against it" sound bite, which is terribly misleading. In a speech in the Senate before casting his vote to give the President the ability to use force in Iraq (This is that vote he mentions in the sound bite) he gave the president the power to go to war, IF he exhausted diplomatic means to disarm Iraq. The second vote, where he voted against it, he cast his vote saying that the President failed to exhaust the diplomatic possibilities. That's not a flip flop, that is a man who clearly laid out his terms for the war, and when the president failed to live up to those terms, voted against extending another 87 Billion dollars toward the war.

This is also where the President gets all the disinformation where he states Kerry voted against supporting the troops in one ad, and against providing them with body armor in the other. It was not a vote against the troops, it was a vote to force the president into rolling back the tax custs to the top income bracket, which could have funded the whole shebang and then some.

You talk about Bush being a man of convictions, yet he was steadfastly against a Department of Homeland Security, until his advisors pointed out it was political suicide to try and stop it. Since he coudn't stop it, he's underfunded it and ignored it. The DoHS has a budget of 10 billion dollars, or roughly 1/20th of the budget that war on Iraq has.

Bush is a man convictions, I will give you that. Let us look at the tax cut. Nearly every economist (liberal, conservative, Dem or Republican) that looked at the tax cut perposed by Bush before the 2000 election pointed out that the surplus was generated by Capital Gains Taxes raised by the furious trading on the stock market during the 1990's. That's why they called it a windfall, the CG taxes collected were 200-300% higher than expected during the 90's. They also pointed out with the burst of the tech bubble and the emminate crash of the market, the surpluses of those taxes were going to evaporate, and instead reverse themselves as people claimed their stock losses against thier income taxes. The tax cut was not only based on the collected surpluses, but on those surpluses continuing. The predictions by economists at that time were that such a tax cut could not work because those surpluses would be eaten up by the tax refund, and would result in the largest defecit in american history. And guess what they were right, because that's exactly what we have right now. And it's only going to get worse, becaus ethe real damage won't be felt by those tax cuts until 2007-8, that's when the majority of the burden will be realized by the tax payers. At this rate federal spending and the budget will need to be cut by 38%.

Let me ask you this. Who is the largest purchaser in the American Economy? Why it's the American Government, that's who. Unfortunately we are looking at a drastic reduction in their purchasing power in the coming years, which will dramatically effect the US economy.

Let me ask you another question what were we going to do with that surplus if it wasn't divied up into $300 checks and mailed to the tax payers? It was going to be used to solidify Social Security for the next 40 years. Instead we are looking at a huge increase in our social security taxes, and passing a huge burden for medicare cost on to the social security recipients. Medicare premiums, and copays will account for 37% of the social security checks recieved by baby boomers in the 5 years.

The privatization of Medicare is something I believe in strongly, and something Bush is proposing right now. The problem is he came up with one plan, and the economists are again saying it is a fiscally irresponcible plan. This can be done, but the plan he is proposing WILL add an additional 5 Trillion dollars to the deficit almost immediately. It cannot be done the way he wants to do it with out raising taxes.

Id like to correct myself the DOHS has a budget of 23 Billion. the figures I was looking at did not include all crosscutting budgetary monies that are applied to the DoD, or the monies routed through the DOHS for CG and Border Patrol.

Reply #4 By: Cappy1507 - 10/25/2004 8:20:15 PM Kerry says hes a christian, then he says hes not then he says he is. I dont want somebody like that for a president! I honestly can't recall Kerry denouncing his christianity iin the campaign. I want somebody who can look from all perspectives and say hey we have to do this for the better of our country not somebody who will be flip flopping and cant decide for himself and putting our country in danger by procrastinating. Kerry has been critisized by even some of his freinds for seeing too many sides to an issue, too many solutions for a problem, and working with groups to find the best solution. Bush on the other hand has been critisized for being too myopic on issues, and not doing the research. I'm a moderate independent, and don't support either of these canidates too strongly. But I think the issue of Kerry's flip flopping is blown out of perportion by the conservatives. His main flip flop has been about the whole "I actually voted for the war before I voteed against it" sound bite, which is terribly misleading. In a speech in the Senate before casting his vote to give the President the ability to use force in Iraq (This is that vote he mentions in the sound bite) he gave the president the power to go to war, IF he exhausted diplomatic means to disarm Iraq. The second vote, where he voted against it, he cast his vote saying that the President failed to exhaust the diplomatic possibilities. That's not a flip flop, that is a man who clearly laid out his terms for the war, and when the president failed to live up to those terms, voted against extending another 87 Billion dollars toward the war. This is also where the President gets all the disinformation where he states Kerry voted against supporting the troops in one ad, and against providing them with body armor in the other. It was not a vote against the troops, it was a vote to force the president into rolling back the tax custs to the top income bracket, which could have funded the whole shebang and then some. You talk about Bush being a man of convictions, yet he was steadfastly against a Department of Homeland Security, until his advisors pointed out it was political suicide to try and stop it. Since he coudn't stop it, he's underfunded it and ignored it. The DoHS has a budget of 10 billion dollars, or roughly 1/20th of the budget that war on Iraq has. Bush is a man convictions, I will give you that. Let us look at the tax cut. Nearly every economist (liberal, conservative, Dem or Republican) that looked at the tax cut perposed by Bush before the 2000 election pointed out that the surplus was generated by Capital Gains Taxes raised by the furious trading on the stock market during the 1990's. That's why they called it a windfall, the CG taxes collected were 200-300% higher than expected during the 90's. They also pointed out with the burst of the tech bubble and the emminate crash of the market, the surpluses of those taxes were going to evaporate, and instead reverse themselves as people claimed their stock losses against thier income taxes. The tax cut was not only based on the collected surpluses, but on those surpluses continuing. The predictions by economists at that time were that such a tax cut could not work because those surpluses would be eaten up by the tax refund, and would result in the largest defecit in american history. And guess what they were right, because that's exactly what we have right now. And it's only going to get worse, becaus ethe real damage won't be felt by those tax cuts until 2007-8, that's when the majority of the burden will be realized by the tax payers. At this rate federal spending and the budget will need to be cut by 38%. Let me ask you this. Who is the largest purchaser in the American Economy? Why it's the American Government, that's who. Unfortunately we are looking at a drastic reduction in their purchasing power in the coming years, which will dramatically effect the US economy. Let me ask you another question what were we going to do with that surplus if it wasn't divied up into $300 checks and mailed to the tax payers? It was going to be used to solidify Social Security for the next 40 years. Instead we are looking at a huge increase in our social security taxes, and passing a huge burden for medicare cost on to the social security recipients. Medicare premiums, and copays will account for 37% of the social security checks recieved by baby boomers in the 5 years. The privatization of Medicare is something I believe in strongly, and something Bush is proposing right now. The problem is he came up with one plan, and the economists are again saying it is a fiscally irresponcible plan. This can be done, but the plan he is proposing WILL add an additional 5 Trillion dollars to the deficit almost immediately. It cannot be done the way he wants to do it with out raising taxes.

Kerry's plan is also fiscally irresponcible as he doesn't have the funds to cover it. And the flip-flopping goes way beyond just the war vote.

And this has to do with kids how?

And this has to do with kids how?

How can you call out dr. miller when he is responding to a post that has almost nothing to do with kids either? Your double standards astound me.

I think they are leaning Bush

Hopefully. I dont know where you live, but the kids i see tend to be more liberal and idealistic (I'm not calling all liberals idealistic). I personally think the voting age should be pushed up to 21. 18-21 year olds have little or no experience in the "real world" and therefore can't be expected to make a good decision. Also, they are the ones that believe the hype coming from both sides, such as the "Bush draft". Im not saying all kids are uninformed, but most are.

I teach in elementary school (10 and 11 year olds), and the consensus in my class is that..if they could vote, they would vote for John Kerry. But this definitely has to do with the fact that the majority of people in this area are Democrats and of hispanic ethnicity. It does not even seem to make a difference that many families around here are conservative roman catholics...they would still learn toward Kerry.

I Do not feel Kerry is being a Flip Flopper when it comes to his Faith. I, Like him, am a Catholic. Just because I dont agree with every Catholic issue stance, does not make me less of a Christian. Other things would make me less of a Christian, such as low moral values or dishonesty or deceit...but not the fact that I wouldnt agree with everything the church says.

by the way...this seems less like a Blog Place and more like a Crossfire/Hardball/O'Reilly factor Forum.....sigh

I teach in elementary school (10 and 11 year olds), and the consensus in my class is that..if they could vote, they would vote for John Kerry. But this definitely has to do with the fact that the majority of people in this area are Democrats and of hispanic ethnicity. It does not even seem to make a difference that many families around here are conservative roman catholics...they would still learn toward Kerry.

I Do not feel Kerry is being a Flip Flopper when it comes to his Faith. I, Like him, am a Catholic. Just because I dont agree with every Catholic issue stance, does not make me less of a Christian. Other things would make me less of a Christian, such as low moral values or dishonesty or deceit...but not the fact that I wouldnt agree with everything the church says.

by the way...this seems less like a Blog Place and more like a Crossfire/Hardball/O'Reilly factor Forum.....sigh

 

Kerry's plan is also fiscally irresponcible as he doesn't have the funds to cover it. And the flip-flopping goes way beyond just the war vote.

You are falling for the right spin, nearly everyone that has reviewd his health care plan has put the cost near Kerry's own numbers except the Bush administration who has basically funded a report that pulled a number out of thin air. Have them explain thier numbers, they can't. They have offered no explaination of thier cost fgures anywhere, they have just quoted numbers from a report they funded. I can't repeate this enough, those numbers GWB has been quoted are from a report funded by the committee to re-elect GWB. No-one else's numbers are even close to that. I'll admit there are some that are higher than Kerry's estimates, but nothing like this disinformation being spewed forth by the administration.

The allegations of flip flopping started with a sound bite of Kerry saying "I actually voted for the 87 Billion dollars before I voted against it." Don't forget Clinton waffled, and Gore was accused of flip flopping too, this is standard Republican fodder. Registered independents or patriots like me ignore this crap for the most part. I don't rely on the Canidates to tell me what's wrong with their opposition. I can figure that out for myself. Bush is campaigning on The Iraq war (not a positive for him in my book), and the robust economy which is laughable. He's stunk the joint out plain and simple. He promises more voodoo economics, and more blank checks to Iraq. Game over.

Reply #11 By: Cappy1507 - 10/28/2004 1:02:08 AM Kerry's plan is also fiscally irresponcible as he doesn't have the funds to cover it. And the flip-flopping goes way beyond just the war vote. You are falling for the right spin, nearly everyone that has reviewd his health care plan has put the cost near Kerry's own numbers except the Bush administration who has basically funded a report that pulled a number out of thin air. Have them explain thier numbers, they can't. They have offered no explaination of thier cost fgures anywhere, they have just quoted numbers from a report they funded. I can't repeate this enough, those numbers GWB has been quoted are from a report funded by the committee to re-elect GWB. No-one else's numbers are even close to that. I'll admit there are some that are higher than Kerry's estimates, but nothing like this disinformation being spewed forth by the administration. The allegations of flip flopping started with a sound bite of Kerry saying "I actually voted for the 87 Billion dollars before I voted against it." Don't forget Clinton waffled, and Gore was accused of flip flopping too, this is standard Republican fodder. Registered independents or patriots like me ignore this crap for the most part. I don't rely on the Canidates to tell me what's wrong with their opposition. I can figure that out for myself. Bush is campaigning on The Iraq war (not a positive for him in my book), and the robust economy which is laughable. He's stunk the joint out plain and simple. He promises more voodoo economics, and more blank checks to Iraq. Game over.

Show what you don't know! Flip-flopping? How about this one "wrong war, wrong place wrong time". Yet he voted to give Bush the authority to use force in Iraq. Now if that ain't a flip-flop I don't know what is! How about this one. In the debates he catagoricly states that he is "against" abotions. Yet his web site says he's in full support of Roe v Wade. Here's what factcheck.org has to say.

Kerry's Position on Abortion Kerry has favored a legal right to abortion over the entire course of his Senate career. He promises that he won't appoint anyone to the Supreme Court who opposes the Roe v. Wade decision: Kerry Website: John Kerry will only nominate individuals to the federal bench whose records demonstrate a respect for the full range of constitutional rights, including the right to privacy and the right to choose. Kerry, a Roman Catholic, has also stated recently that personally he believes that life starts at conception. In an interview last July Kerry was quoted in the Dubuque, Iowa Telegraph Herald as saying (as repeated later by the Washington Post ): Kerry (July, 2004): I oppose abortion, personally. I don't like abortion. I believe that life does start at conception. Kerry's spokeswoman Stephanie Cutter said at the time that Kerry's often-stated position is that abortions should be "safe, legal and rare."

Now you want to tell me again how this is *just* a sound bite? Or a "right-spin as you call it? And BTW *I* wasn't just talking about his health plan. Go take a look at *all* his plans and then start adding up what he proposes to save in rollingback tax cuts. Any ladies reading this please pardon my language. "Game Over" my dying ass! You better go take a look at the *current* economic indicators. Unemployment is down Fact! Interest rate is down, Fact! Stock market is up, Fact! Just what more do you people need to make you see the truth?

I think that Bush does'nt like Muslims and I'm against him. He has caused my parents their jobs more than once.And I think that the tax cuts for the middle class is a good idea from Kerry thats why I'm voting for him.

Reply #13 By: micah boyd (Anonymous) - 11/2/2004 9:05:27 AM I think that Bush does'nt like Muslims and I'm against him. He has caused my parents their jobs more than once.And I think that the tax cuts for the middle class is a good idea from Kerry thats why I'm voting for him.

Where did you get the idea he doesn't like Muslims? How do you figure Bush cost your parents their jobs?