Sending Him to Death?

How far do you go to help a stranger?

This is a point of contention between my husband and me.

This morning for instance.

I took my 5 year old to Target to buy a birthday gift for a friend.  On our way, I saw a man in his late 50's walking along side the busy road (no sidewalk),  using a cane and carrying a package.

It's not unusual to see people walking and riding their bikes more these days.  I attribute it to the price of gas.  I see several bikes on the road everyday.  They are on the road because when gas was cheap, who needed sidewalks?  Now traffic almost comes to a stand still at least once a day for me while two cars and a cyclist try  to fit on the side streets.

So I see this guy and immediately in just the few seconds it takes to pass him, I know he is not walking because he wants too.  He's moving at a pitiful rate and in open toed sandals no less.

On our way back from Target, I saw the same man about a quarter mile further down the road in the direction of my house.

I came inside, wrapped the gift, and was taking some food out to the mail box (food collection day) when I see this guy on the "S" curve out beside our house.

He sees me.

He stops and yells in a heavy New Yorker accent, "Is there a post office around here?"

I said, "Post Office?  Yeah.  But its about six miles from here."  I point behind me.  "In the other direction."

He starts to walk toward me.  "I've only lived here a week and I think I made a wrong turn.  Can you give me directions?"

Now, my husband is out in the driveway behind me working under our "farm truck."  It's an old beater blue pickup we use to haul things for our various projects. 

I start to give directions, but the old guy just isn't getting it.

I say, "Do you need a ride?"

He sighs, "That'd be great."

I say, "Let me grab my keys."

My husband comes out from underneath the blue beater like a shot and says (right in front of this guy), "What the hell are you doing?"

I said, "This guy is lost.  He's new to the area and needs a ride."

My husband looks at me like something he wipes from his shoes, puts his hands on his hips.  "Are you crazy?  You aren't driving a man anywhere."

I lean forward so the old dude can't hear and say.  "Oh come on.  I can take this guy if he tries anything."

My husband shakes his head.  "You have lost your mind.  You aren't going anywhere."

"You take him then," I put my hands on hips.

My husband looks down at his greasy clothes then back at me, then sizes up the guy.  "You have any weapons on you?"

I'm thinking, HELLO, if he did he's not gonna say it!

The guy says, "Uh, no.  I have a jacket, a cane, and this box I need to mail."

My husband looks him over for a few minutes.  I started tapping my foot.

(I was getting annoyed.  I offered the help and had every intention of giving it, with or without his approval.  All the discussion was moot.)

Finally he sighed, dropped his hands, looked at me and said, "We are talking about this when I get back."

He hopped in the blue beater and told the old guy to get in.

They left.

He was gone about half an hour.

When he came back I breathed a sigh of relief, one I didn't know I was holding.

I was WORRIED for him because lets face it..if you want to hurt someone, or get them to trust you, what better way than say a cast?  Or a cane to look feeble.

The last time I made my husband help someone, we were rear ended on the highway, the guy took off, and the cop who came to the scene didn't believe we stopped to help someone.

My husband has spent several years in the middle east in six month and one year segments.  Specifically on convoys, and he is distrustful of everyone now...even pre-teens.  I saw him eyeing that post office box and wondering what the guy could have stashed in there.

So while he's gone with this guy to the post office another guy comes to the door.

He's asks me if I will deliver flowers to a neighbor down the road since they aren't answering the door.  I take them and say "sure."

So when hubby gets back and sees them...he totally freaks out.  "MY god, will you answer the door to anyone?  Talk to anyone?  Help anyone????!!!?"

I say, "Well yes, especially if they are holding flowers I THOUGHT WERE FOR ME!"

HEH.

He didn't fall for the diversion tactic.

He yelled, "Your job, the only thing I EXPECT you to do is stay safe so our boys don't lose their mom to some sicko.  Do you think I want my wife giving strange men rides?!?  Opening the door to men you don't know?  Come on Tonya.  Damn it!"

I said, "You're right."

hahahahaha

You shoulda seen his face.  He was wound up and expecting a serious throw down.

But while he was off with the cane man I got to thinking, and worrying a little bit.

Sometimes my desire to help someone out, over rides my common sense.  Ok, most of the time it does.

My husband hugged me and told me I needed to start thinking more like a man...meaning, men are capable and able to take care of themselves..they don't need a 30 something woman to hold their hand.

Then he told me the guy was completely unbalanced.  As in mentally ill.

So, how far do you go to help a stranger?

Guys.

How far do you let your woman go?

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Reply #1 Top
So, how far do you go to help a stranger?


I'm probably not the right person to ask. Like your husband, I've seen too much and just don't have all that much trust in people and I CERTAINLY wouldn't let my wife drive no strange man anywhere for any reason.

But yeah, I'd probably help the dude. I just wouldn't turn my back.
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Mine is like you. I dont tell her ANYTHING. SHe does what she wants, even if it gives me ulcers. ;)
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Like your husband, I've seen too much and just don't have all that much trust in people and I CERTAINLY wouldn't let my wife drive no strange man anywhere for any reason. But yeah, I'd probably help the dude. I just wouldn't turn my back.

That's exactly what my husband said Roy.  In fact, he said the guy was homeless...just moved up here from Florida and was staying with a sister while he tried to get SSI (mental illness) and get on to NY.

My husband is going out of town tomorrow for a couple weeks, and now he's lecturing me like its the first time he ever left the house.

hahahahahahahah

What did he think I did all those YEARS he's been gone?

 

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Mine is like you. I dont tell her ANYTHING. SHe does what she wants, even if it gives me ulcers

The thing is, I do usually listen to him.  I've just never seen him be so aggresive about it in front of people.  My husband is laid back, go with the flow kinda guy.

I'm the rolly polly.  He's the rock.  Usually.

I would help...that's just who I am.

I think the reason it felt ok to offer was because he was right there in the drive way...I figured he could watch the kids while I ran the guy to the post office.

 

 

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Quoting Tova7, reply 4


What did he think I did all those YEARS he's been gone?

I bet he's having nightmares about it now! ;) 

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Tova, you are such a wonderful, caring person, without a bit of pretense to you.

With lots of people, I think there would be cause for concern about something like this, but you are a savvy, tough chick, and I don't think you would place yourself in a situation you were unprepared for.

I am more scared of people, so I might have offered my husband, but I wouldn't have offered to do it myself, haha.
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Tova, you are such a wonderful, caring person, without a bit of pretense to you.


Thanks Tex. I can do pretense...but its so FAKE..hahahahah ...aaaaaah...I crack myself up.

Seriously...I just go with it..meaning, if I feel compelled to help someone..its an inner voice thing that says...duh! help that person! I just do it.....but my husband is much much more reserved. In fact, he doesn't think a woman of ANY age should help a strange man.

I do understand his qualms. One of the reasons I give him nightmares is because I HAVE been attacked twice by men who weren't exactly "stable." It was bloody and messy and I think the second event gave my husband PTSD.

But he forgets I grew up around violence, so a part of me is always ready for it, or maybe not ready..but not surprised.. (Not to imply I won't get the crap beat out of me, or even killed, I just won't be shocked.;))

I bet he's having nightmares about it now!


Yes. He told me..."I am having issues leaving you home alone with the kids now. I thought you outgrew this impulsive streak. If you don't have enough common sense to see danger, how am I supposed to trust you to keep the kids safe?"

Ouch...but, point made. He is right. I do need to be more vigilant, maybe less impulsive.

Maybe.
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So, how far do you go to help a stranger?

I don't trust many people so I don't know if I would help. But I have helped people before like with flat tires or if their car was broke down I have lend them my cell phone.

I don't think I can give the same answer for every stranger needing help. I trust my ability to judge a person so depending how I read the person is how much I would help or even help at all.

How far do you let your woman go?

That situation has never come up with Rose but knowing her I don't think she would be too trusting of any stranger.

It might make me sound bad but I'm glad she's NOT helping people. I just don't trust most people. In fact, reading your story I was saying things out loud like, "Tova, what are you thinking?" and "Tova, your husband is right".

It sucks the people actually needing help can't get it because of some a-holes who take advantage of someone's generosity.

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I really want to be supportive, Tova. I want to say that you are a good girl and the guy needed help and he was so harmless looking and all that. But I can't. Ted Bundy and Albert DeSalvo and many others scored because they were harmless and charming and everyone believes that "those things" happen to other people. Don't be hard on your old man. He has spent a lifetime developing survival skills that include being suspicious of any and all things even a little out of the ordinary. We learn to laugh at ourselves later, but in the moment when the hair is up on the back of your neck...nobody gets a free pass. One thing your guy has absolutely right...the kids need a mom more than the stranger needs a ride.

Just because you are being "paranoid" doesn't mean they ain't out to get ya!

Love the new look, LW !!
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If I do get killed while in the process of doing someone a good turn, do I get to go to heaven?


Hey! I answered this earlier today and now its gone!

Ah well....hmmmm...I dunno Whip. Better hope so...can you imagine showing up in hell and explaining to the devil how you go there?

"I was helping....OOWWWW!"

hahahahaha
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I don't think I can give the same answer for every stranger needing help. I trust my ability to judge a person so depending how I read the person is how much I would help or even help at all.


Good, smart answer.

It might make me sound bad but I'm glad she's NOT helping people. I just don't trust most people. In fact, reading your story I was saying things out loud like, "Tova, what are you thinking?" and "Tova, your husband is right".


That makes me feel better for Rose. I like knowing my man appreciates me enough to want to protect me. He was right in this instance. (Especially since he told me the guy was not right in the head. heh).

I DO see both sides of the issue, but it is very hard to stand here with THREE vehicles in my drive/garage and watch an old mad struggle to walk down the road on a cane.

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I really want to be supportive, Tova.


That's ok BFD. I'd rather have the truth than a pat on the back. In fact, everyone is being so nice about it...I expected some serious "ARE U NUTS?" hahaha

Don't be hard on your old man. He has spent a lifetime developing survival skills that include being suspicious of any and all things even a little out of the ordinary.


Yeah I reminded myself of this very fact when he asked the guy to open his jacket. I thought he was gonna pat him down. :p 

One thing your guy has absolutely right...the kids need a mom more than the stranger needs a ride.


I know. He's a good man, really. I don't want to make him seem uncaring. He does believe there is something wrong with a man who would even accept such an offer from a woman with her husband standing right there and obviously not approving.

My husband doesn't do a lot of talking, rarely does any in front of strangers. So that guy doesn't know what an anomaly it was for him not only to speak, but to be so vehement in front of him.

Just because you are being "paranoid" doesn't mean they ain't out to get ya!


hahahahaha.
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Wait till I get last nights pics developed and posted...I'm bald as a billiard now, hehehe.


I can't wait to see....
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I'm glad you helped the man, but girl you gotta be careful.

I know you have common sense but you don't want to get any material for one of your suspense stories from a real life event. Well, not your real life event. ;)

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My husband thinks I'm too brave.   My best friend's husband thinks she's a scaredy cat.  We're all different.  I think it's better to err on the side of caution though. 

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I would have helped him.  Just the kind of bloke I am.  I am completely trusting (possibly even naively so) of everyone until they do something to show me otherwise.

As for Toni, well there is no way I would tell her what she can and can't do.  She has been through a lot in her life and knows how to get by.  It doesn't stop me from worrying about her or expressing my concern, though.

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My husband said your husband is absolutely right. 

He said it's quite odd to see a man walking along the road like that.....odd.  You don't get into a car with a man who is acting odd.  Why would you?  And flowers is a tactic used to get a woman to open the door.  Usually nowadays the Florist will call and tell you you have a delivery coming.  For a delivery guy to drop off flowers to a neighbor is odd as well. 

He then said to me......  "you're just as bad." 

I'm telling ya.......Our husbands are two peas in a pod  Tonya.  What you wrote (outside of the swear word) is my husband all the way!!!   To a double tee!

 

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This subject also reminds me how much we depend on cultural cues.  I see a lot of geeky guys married or going out with really hot Japanese women. Women that, back home, would be way out of their league. It's kind of a phenomenon called "charisma man."  Not all the time, but sometimes, when I look at these guys I wonder to myself why these women can't tell what kind of freaky guys these are. And I'd just like to point out that not all foreign men here are in this category.

I talked to some foreign women I know and they commented they sometimes had a similar reaction. We figured that we were probably reacting to some kind of cultural cues that these women aren't aware of.  

Maybe the best example I can come up with is my husband's cousin.  All I knew about her is that she was married to an American and was now divorced.  One time I was looking through some of my husband's family pictures and I saw my husband sitting next to this guy who hard Charles Manson eyes.  Seriously. My hair prickled on my neck.

I asked my husband why he was sitting next to a crazy guy in a friendly way.  He really dislikes people like that so I was surprised.  He said, "Oh, that's my cousin's ex-husband."  The guy was scary looking.  I know it was a picture, and there was nothing overtly cultural about it.

The second example is the first Japanese guy I dated. He's probably a nice enough person, but I didn't know enough about culture here and neither of us spoke each other's language well enough.  But all things being equal (like language) and back home, I wouldn't have dated him.  A Japanese woman that I knew found out that we were dating and she said she was surprised because he was "kawarimono" (eccentric).  I don't mind eccentricities but really, she picked up on cues that I didn't.

Anyways, cultural cues and natural instincts.

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I know you have common sense but you don't want to get any material for one of your suspense stories from a real life event. Well, not your real life event


I dunno. People who actually call themselves "writers" and are ya know, published, seem to have a lot of angst.

Maybe my angst account is low and a little suspense will kick it into high gear. ;) 

Yeah, not.

think it's better to err on the side of caution though.


Very smart Loca. And really a good idea when you have little ones to protect.

As for Toni, well there is no way I would tell her what she can and can't do. She has been through a lot in her life and knows how to get by. It doesn't stop me from worrying about her or expressing my concern, though.


Ah, so that's not a sterling...yes or no. It's hard when you think about strange men crawling into a vehicle with your wife isn't it?

My husband was much more willing to help before he spent so much time in the desert. Now he is suspicious of anything he perceives as weird, or out of the ordinary...even when it involves pre-teens...

My poor pre-teen won't ever get away with a thing....buwhahahahaha.
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I'm telling ya.......Our husbands are two peas in a pod Tonya. What you wrote (outside of the swear word) is my husband all the way!!! To a double tee!


My husband rarely swears. If it comes out of his mouth, then his insides are in turmoil.

He's uber conservative, UBER.

That's my rock.
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Quoting Tova7, reply 22


My husband was much more willing to help before he spent so much time in the desert. Now he is suspicious of anything he perceives as weird, or out of the ordinary...even when it involves pre-teens...My poor pre-teen won't ever get away with a thing....buwhahahahaha.

Maybe his instincts have been fine-tuned because he needed them.  Kind of cool, but sad that it was necessary.

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Not all the time, but sometimes, when I look at these guys I wonder to myself why these women can't tell what kind of freaky guys these are. And I'd just like to point out that not all foreign men here are in this category.


That made me LOL...hahahahaha... I can see you walking up to a Jap. woman..."Hey lady..um, you can do soooo much better."

Charisma man...I will find a way to work that into a conversation in the next few days...love it.

The second example is the first Japanese guy I dated. He's probably a nice enough person, but I didn't know enough about culture here and neither of us spoke each other's language well enough. But all things being equal (like language) and back home, I wouldn't have dated him. A Japanese woman that I knew found out that we were dating and she said she was surprised because he was "kawarimono" (eccentric). I don't mind eccentricities but really, she picked up on cues that I didn't.


That is fascinating. If your husband wouldn't mind, I'd love to read more about your experiences with Japanese men and dating....what you learned...stuff like that.

Cultural cues....hmmmm...I like it.

You are a very smart cookie. And it goes a long way in explaining some of the mixed culture marriages I've seen and wondered about.
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Maybe his instincts have been fine-tuned because he needed them. Kind of cool, but sad that it was necessary


Yeah its cool until it interferes with my coolness.... ;)  :LOL: 
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I can't lay claim to the term "charisma man."  Check out this link for the charisma man comic.  There are some interesting hits if you google the term though.

Not so much experience dating Japanese men.  Dated the first guy, had a major crush on another who got transfered to Kuala Lumpur, and fell like a rock for the guy I'm married to now.

From all that, I'd say ethnicity doesn't really matter but culture does.  Culture matters because there has to be some kind of level field for understanding.  This is more than just speaking the language.  I think he makes more effort than I do but for the most part I get on okay.  I think because we spent so much time in each other's culture that it helps us understand each other.  I still get mystified by the way some things work, though.

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Ah, so that's not a sterling...yes or no. It's hard when you think about strange men crawling into a vehicle with your wife isn't it?


No, but I have met some of her previous boyfriends. If she survived them, she can look after herself :LOL:

My husband was much more willing to help before he spent so much time in the desert. Now he is suspicious of anything he perceives as weird, or out of the ordinary...even when it involves pre-teens...


There are as many horror stories from suburbia as there are in a war zone. It is just we don't expect to hear them from suburbia. I suppose what it means, in the case of your husband, is that he has not become desensitised by being where he has been. If anything, he has become more acutely aware. That and he obviously loves and worries about you a lot.

My poor pre-teen won't ever get away with a thing....buwhahahahaha.


Poor, poor kid... :)