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What if Religion had admitted it was wrong? (Part 2)

What if Religion had admitted it was wrong? (Part 2)

In the first part of this article i discussed how people consider religion as a means of teaching us how to act responsibly.

I received some interesting comments, mostly about how how people felt they obtained their morality from sources other than religion. Perhaps the most interesting comment, and entirely unrelated was a comment from senior stubbyfinger, who informed us he had a large sexual organ. Congratulations stubby...

Right so Religion, morality, back on track. Lets look at the title of this article, "What if religion had admitted it was wrong?". Firstly i'd imagine we'll have some people asking how religion is wrong exactly. Which you know, if you've been sleeping under a rock since Darwin was around, is a highly appropriate question.

1)God made the world in 7 days Genisis etc.

The earth roughly 6,000 years old? I believe that's the figure provided by most creationists i speak with. Well we now know as a FACT (fact as in 1 + 1 = 2. You get me. FACT? Just like the fact you are going to die, just like the fact i'm mashing my keyboard with my fingers as a write this a not my toes - FACT), the earth is much older. The earth is around 4.5 Billion years old. It's difficult to compute exactly as due to the nature of how it was formed. The oldest rocks found to date are 3.9 Billion years old.

The obvious question to follow is 'How exactly did we get here?'. A puzzling question indeed answered by Darwin in his famous book 'Of the Origins of the Spieces'. I won't go into detail for fear of sending you to sleep and wanting to get to my point, but he believed small genetic mutations which happen every generation of a specicies led to how we developed from small microbes in to full fledged humans. Far fetched? What's even more far fetched is the serious amount of evidence that backs this up (galapagos!).

2)Christianity also said that the Earth was the center of the universe.

That the sun revolved around the earth. So when some bloke from tuscani said otherwise, they were quite unpleased! Even after proving that the observation of the planets and the sun suggested that Galleo (yes i'm talking about Galileo here, re the guy from tuscani not Pope Leo I) was right, they had the audacity to turn around and go 'No no no wait you misunderstand us! It may _LOOK_ like the earth orbits the sun, and maths may dictate it, but it infact doesn't! They just appear that way!'. Yes because that's a helpful approach in a reasonable discussion.

We now know of course that earth isn't the center of the universe and that we do revolve around the sun.

So there's two examples for people to consider why i personally think religion has been wrong in the past. On two MASSIVE issues.

Now if i may move on. What i'd like to consider is what if religion had turned around and said:

 'You know what, were based on texts wrote thousand of years ago, when our understanding of the world was very different and people needed a different kind of reassurance. I think it's time we adapt a little more to society'.

I'd guess the next obvious question is what would you change?  I'm not sure, i'm no council of nicaea. I dare say the word religion itself would need a reclassifcation. What is it? If it's not just a story about god and his son, is religion morality? Is it just faith in something?

I've always admired some of the charitable teachings in Islam and Christianity. Yet i also detest how they've been the cause of so many wars and suffering in the past. Do we need religion to do amazing things for one another?

One thing is for sure though while we are unable to prove that God isn't going to smite us all for not wearing condoms, someone should not have the power to continue the spread of aids in one of the most desperate continents in the world by saying using them is indeed sinful.

Nor should preachers be able to convince people to attach bombs on to themselves in the hope of a paradise waiting for them on the other side.

I hope i've not genuinley offended someone with this, well so long as your not offended by just the notion of someone questioning your religion, in which case your ignorant and i'm glad i've offended you.

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Reply #126 Top

This is true. However, after 45 years, we have the answer to the WHY it changed as it did...look around and you'll see evidence of what taking God out of education has done for our children, families, and the greater society. Society for the most part is in shambles. The reason can only be that man has replaced God's moral code with his own.


So how do you explain that society is in shambles in the Bible Belt but not so much in secular New-England?

And how do you know that society wasn't in shambles in the 1950s, when people didn't report STDs and teen pregnancies?

Don't tell us that IF the Bible Belt were more moral than New-England you wouldn't take that as "proof" that "Christianity" is the way to go!

After 45 years, we don't have that answer. We only know that the religious parts of the US are doing worse than the secular parts.

Incidentally, did you notice that since the 1960s society has become less racist? Maybe taking G-d out of schools has caused that change.

Reply #127 Top
Why is the Bible Belt more immoral than New England?
Reply #128 Top
I've seen the bar graphs of all those things I cited and can assure you I am correct in saying they skyrocketed. The source was the US Dept. of Commerce,Bureau of Census, Historical Stats of the US and National Center for Health Stats.


I'm calling your bluff until you can prove it.


No bluff...you're the kind of person who is like the horse you take to water but can't make drink.

I'm a dinosaur with the computer and don't know how to scan and link things...yet...someday, maybe I'll learn. If it hadn't been for your help, I'd still be without an avatar.
Reply #129 Top

I'm a dinosaur with the computer and don't know how to scan and link things


Incidentally, since we know that people didn't report these things in earlier times, we KNOW that the graphs have skyrocketed and have an explanation for why they did. You owe us the evidence that they skyrocketed due to a lack of "Christian" values, in spite of current evidence that "Christian" values and immorality go hand in hand when comparing US states.

Perhaps the graphs have skyrocketed because the "Christian" value of honesty has finally kicked in and people started reporting STDs and teen pregnancies instead of covering them up?