I Believe God Maintains The Universe

You believe there is no mass in the universe?  Have you actually looked around?

Stars are mass, asteroids are mass, comets are mass, dust is mass, other planets are mass, various random gases are mass.

Someone obviously didn't read their astronomy book very well.

~Zoo

I believe erathoniel is therorizing that the theorized dark matter is God.

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Actually, I was theorizing that God replaces the work of the dark matter.

Fixed that double post.

@ Zoo: Yeah, there's mass, but not enough to keep it in its same orbits. Unless we did our math astronomically wrong.

You mean God has to pull us around the sun? Do you realize how strong the sun is and how many times bigger than earth it is?



So if dark matter is God...then does that mean God is black?

~Zoo

1. Not Earth, but people have said that the galaxies would come undone with their known levels of mass. I don't think that God actively pushes the Earth around the Sun, he just gave it a tap a long time ago.

2. That's a humorous discussion, but I believe that God is a metaphysical entity that would have no effect on electromagnetic radiation unless He so pleased.

Really? Why would a galaxy fall apart? If there's mass, then there's gravitational pull. If anything it should stick together...perhaps collapse into itself if the mass was too great. Falling apart would be quite the feat because an outside force would have to be strong enough to jar stars from their positions relative to each other and the things around them.

If you have a link with people stating what you claim, I'd like to take a look.

~Zoo

The first link gets into the attempt to find dark matter.

Dark matter is theorized to explain why all the stars in a galaxy rotate around the center at the same speed, unlike a solar system where the inner planets closer to the suns gravity rotate faster. There had to be much more gravity in a galaxy than could be accounted for from the visible matter.

Dark energy is theorized as an anti-gravitational force to explain why the universe is expanding at an increasing rate.

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Interesting indeed. I'll have to keep an eye out for any further developments. Dark matter is pretty odd. Dark energy I can see possibly existing...if there's an attractive gravitational force, then it stands to reason there could possibly be a repulsive force as well.

~Zoo

*coughGodcough*

"I believe that there is no mass (or else God is the mass), and God is holding the universe together with his wonderful salvation giving hand."

erathoniel, is this your way of saying that you think God is massively overweight? I mean, I know he's God and all but 90-95 % of the mass of the universe is indeed quite a bit (maybe someone's been consuming too many galaxies in one sitting? I dunno)

I think you should submit this theory to the astrophysics department of your nearest university. Please videotape the reactions of folks when making your presentation.

*coughGodofGapsargumentcough*

~Zoo

This is about as literal as you can get to a "god of the gaps" argument. :LOL:


I've actually been considering posting something about this in science and tech for a few days now. Couldn't it be possible that dark energy and matter are the same thing? Couldn't what is pushing galaxies apart from each other be holding each galaxy together? A while back, I don't know if there are any official theories like this, or if it is even a feasible one as I am not an astrophysicist, but couldn't there be a "directly proportional" or "exponential proportional force", as sort of "anti gravity"? I.E. the gravitational force between two objects halves as the distance is doubled. Perhaps the dark energy force is doubled along with the distance; at astronomically small distances (solar system or perhaps even galaxy sizes) it could be so minute as to be undetectable, but at intergalactic distances overpowering the effects of gravity. (Actually, galactic size being roughly where the two forces equalize would probably explain the "stability" of galaxies.)

If this is a new theory, and proves to be an accurate model, I want someone to credit me in their Nobel Prize acceptance speech. :CONGRAT:

Damn, you beat me to it. I don't know how we can post 30 mins apart an me miss your post. :NOTSURE:

Must've been my coughing...

~Zoo

Sorry, variable gravity or Modified Newtonian Dynamics (MOND) has been theorized before and it is gaining acceptance, but neither dark matter, energy or MOND has been observed yet. 

Don't fret much though the Nobel Prize isn't what it used to be.

i AM in the weird position of having gone back and forth on religion all of my life.  Lately, after some astounding experiences and dreams that convinced me of the spirit world.  Oddly, God came to me and it was like he was demanding I write a book.  At the time I was a hard core atheist, and writing purely kind of sick humor....  Then, this Jesus voice erupted from me, a CHrist Consciousness or something...  I would never have thought to try to write in the voice of jesus, because it just seemed too daunting for my talents.  Then, bam, inspiration hit.  Now I have two books out of the entire experience.  God and Jesus are both real.  Jesus has lived life after life and all this other stuff in my new book....  which I am not plugging, because I am actually giving away copies of it for free until I get all of the final junk done to the manuscript.  At which point they will go back on sale.   I would love to hear what a christian thinks.  If you want to check out the blog where I am writing the book on line, go to http://wakingupjesus.blogspot.com    There is a link for the free downloads....

 

Praise God and all that.  Big Love.  Keep reminding people of the spiritual.

I encourage everyone to read the site stealthyone posted. If you are a rational human being, it's truly enlightening as to just what effect religion can have on humanity. It's clearly had this effect on stealthyone. Go with open eyes and see just what religion can do for you.

 :LOL: 

~Zoo

Ockham, no need to be so harsh. You don't have to be a jerk just because someone disagrees with you.

I wasn't speaking of variable or anti gravity specifically, merely using it to describe what I was thinking. I am not quite sure if it would fall in MOND though, I'll have to look into that sometime. The kind of force I am talking about wouldn't be observable except at intergalactic distances.


Yeah, I know what you mean, apparently making a movie can get you one. I wasn't all that serious anyway, it was more of a passing idea. I leave the serious contemplation to the guys with more than 2 semesters of physics.

You know, there's almost a theory for everything that is intentionally unprovable. And I'm talking science, not religion here.

Hello,

There is a Quranic verse which speaks about the original big bang:

“Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?” [Al-Quran 21:30]

I have another interesting scientific discovery about cosmic hamers, you can see it in my blog! wonderful!

Well I never understood why physics couldn't work for this explanation. A molecule, a solar system, galaxy, cluster, or super cluster, what is the difference it's all gravity.

One way this may work is special relativity. Basically speed changes based on perspective makingeverything appear to be going the same speed. Our solar system is moving faster than the planet. Apparently the bigger you are the faster you move, also the bigger you are the harder it is to see. The theory is old, but I believe something like this.Every timee they feed information into the computer about evolution and the big bang, even biased information it says can't be done. And they call believing the opposite science.

Good to see a thread dragged up from the 'anals' of time, incorrect forum placement as it is....;p

I realised that the estimated mass in the universe is probably based off the big bang theory. If we were created, and this did not happen, but instead god created a smaller, but expanding universe. Then the amount of mass inthe universe may be different than the estimate. IIs the big bang model they can't get to work in a computer.