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Future politics, what do think it will be like when we can colinize other planets and fight space battles.

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Future politics, what do think it will be like when we can colinize other planets and fight space battles.

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When humanity can colinize planets, and wage space warfae how will the world react, will we form one great nation of the world, divide up into diffrent alliances, or go of on are own in a world wide space race. Will that day be the beggingi of a new age or just another age where countyrs try to out do each other. Basically I am tyring to say is what do you think is going to happen earth and countrys when we reach Galciv2 technology? whenever that will be. 
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Reply #151 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Well, since exploration and experimentation ain't happening, the best we can do is calculate.


Nah.

The best we can do is argue about it.
Reply #152 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
The best we can do is argue about it.


Then I guess we're sunk, if the best thing we can do is argue over the Internet. :LOL: 
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Reply #153 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
If we get that far. There will be another layer of government.one per planetary system. IE earth/moon. One for the whole system.

The planetary one covers the planet and moons. The solar system one would cover the solar system and not care about the planets. Sort of like the us system of government.


Hmmm...you may be onto something here,Daniel. Come to think of it, this is the only way of governing a star system that makes sence.
Reply #154 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
No, everything will turn into GalCiv2. We will invent the hyperdrive and give it to all the other races and then the Drengin and the Dread Lords will come to kill us all but we won't be able to do anything about it because we will be too busy arguing over the internet about how to stop them.
Reply #155 from Sins Forums Top
For those of you who would like to have every single preconception about space you've ever held to be totally and completly shattered, read on:

Atomic Rockets

Of particular relevance to this conversation are the "Space War" and "Faster/Slower than Light" sections.
Reply #156 from Sins Forums Top
This has been a fun thread to read and I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

No-one could be happier to see interstellar space travel become a reality more than me :-) But our world has far too many issues to deal with before that level of space travel becomes truly viable I think. Our population is enormous, far too large for this planet, we are still hugely dependent on fossil fuels despite our economic woes of late and the pressing need to address global warming. When the effects of global warming kick in and the climate truly changes, the economic and social effects cannot be overstated, not to mention the fact that we humans just won't stop breeding. The shutting down of the gulf stream will freeze Europe, while the rest of the world overheats. I wonder what will happen when resources on our little planet start to run out and areas become uninhabitable? I think the answer to that is pretty obvious - nevermind space wars...we will find ourselves in a pretty big mess down here.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that...
Reply #157 from Sins Forums Top
The population problem will take care of itself. Japan, Europe and other "first-world" or developed nations/regions have such declining birth rates compared to Africa/India/etc that it should balance out.
Reply #158 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
once we hit the intersteller lvl. We will have to add another layer of government.
Reply #159 from Sins Forums Top
once we hit the intersteller lvl. We will have to add another layer of government.


Or we could just break it up. Do it the Snow Crash/Diamond Age way: all territory is held by corporations and their private armies or by like-minded groups of people who claim their own stake on a given piece of land and form a collective non-agression pact with other groups.

God only knows how well that would work, but its a possibility.
Reply #160 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
When humanity can colinize planets, and wage space warfae how will the world react, will we form one great nation of the world, divide up into diffrent alliances, or go of on are own in a world wide space race. Will that day be the beggingi of a new age or just another age where countyrs try to out do each other. Basically I am tyring to say is what do you think is going to happen earth and countrys when we reach Galciv2 technology? whenever that will be. 


What will happen?

Nothing.

Mankind isn't going to be around that long. The technology is WAY, WAY beyond our scope right now. At the rate we're going, I don't see it ever happening either - we'll be extinct before it happens. It's just a science-fiction dream.
Reply #161 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
once we hit the intersteller lvl. We will have to add another layer of government.Or we could just break it up. Do it the Snow Crash/Diamond Age way: all territory is held by corporations and their private armies or by like-minded groups of people who claim their own stake on a given piece of land and form a collective non-agression pact with other groups.God only knows how well that would work, but its a possibility.




If you do that you end up with sins.
Reply #162 from Sins Forums Top
It will never happen. I think some idiots will blow earth up long before sci-fi style colonization can occur. It will not be in our life time at any rate even if they don't.
Reply #163 from Sins Forums Top
I'll tell you all what's going to happen. I'm going to buy a space yacht and camp out on Pluto while you dunces figure out what to do with your space alliances and mass extinctions.

-Bigglesworth
Reply #164 from Sins Forums Top
Man, there's a lot of pessimism in this thread. Mankind's not going anywhere just yet, folks. Those nukes are all just for show anyways. Besides, we likely won't ever experience interstellar war. Faster Than Light travel is impossible by our current understanding of physics. In fact, some would say that if an object that had mass managed to go faster than light, the entire universe, past, present, and future, would tear itself asunder. Then again, some theorists swear by intelligent design.

The point is, is that it takes time to get between stars. Light needs four-ish years to get from here to Alpha Centauri, the closest stable star system to Sol. We can't physicaly go that fast, so we have to use conventional means of getting around, like fusion reactors. Thus it would take us four and a half-ish years to get from here to there, AND THAT'S ASSUMING that we can get up 99.9% the speed of light. A more realistic estimate would be something close to 25-30%. So its going to take us tens, hundreds, maybe thousands of years to get from Sol to Alpha Centauri.

That means that your enemy (assuming Alpha Centaurians are hostile buggers) is going to have that much time to prepare for you and that much time to advance his technology. Your new, top-of-the-line battlefleet is going to find itself awfully outclassed by an order of generations once it gets to its destination. Additionally, the enemy doesn't even need a battlefleet of his own to kill you. Why, if he knew what vector you were coming in on, he could just toss twenty dollars worth of buckshot in your path and destroy your entire multi-gazillion dollar fleet. Why? Because if your ship runs into anything while its going 25-30% the speed of light, you're dead. EVEN THE SMALLEST PEBBLE could turn your big, burly flagship totally inside out. Just like a Triumph Spitfire doing 90 into a wall. You COULD hope that the debris from your ships (still going at relativistic speeds) would smash into the enemy planet, though.

So, basically, interstellar warfare is a nightmarish impossibility. Take comfort you fatalists! Mankind can't quite extinguish itself that easily. INTRAstellar warfare is still another thing entirely though.
Reply #165 from Sins Forums Top
Take comfort you fatalists! Mankind can't quite extinguish itself that easily.

Agreed. Take it from me, humans are like cockroaches. Even my best efforts to bring about doomsday have all failed miserably.

It's much more difficult than you think to kill the entire world. If you fools could do it yourself, I would be out of a job.

-Bigglesworth
Reply #166 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Take comfort you fatalists! Mankind can't quite extinguish itself that easily.Agreed. Take it from me, humans are like cockroaches. Even my best efforts to bring about doomsday have all failed miserably.It's much more difficult than you think to kill the entire world. If you fools could do it yourself, I would be out of a job.-Bigglesworth


well a pound worth of anti-matter could wipe out the human race and every thing on earth nicely
Reply #167 from Sins Forums Top
well a pound worth of anti-matter could wipe out the human race and every thing on earth nicely


Well, actually, a pound of antimatter would only wipe out another pound of matter. The resulting energy from the matter and anti-matter cancelling each other out might harm everything, say, ten feet away. But you'd need a LOT more antimatter to render Earth uninhabitable. So much, in fact, that even if you slaved all of Earth's resources and production facilities into making antimatter, it'd still take you a couple years to get enough.

Nooooo, the easiest way to destroy all of humanity would be to drop some Cobalt-Thorium G bombs. Huge amounts of HIGHLY radioactive fallout would render the surface of the Earth totally uninhabitable for at least 20 years. And its AWFULLY hard to raise crops underground when you don't have any sunlight...
Reply #168 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Well, actually, a pound of antimatter would only wipe out another pound of matter. The resulting energy from the matter and anti-matter cancelling each other out might harm everything, say, ten feet away. But you'd need a LOT more antimatter to render Earth uninhabitable. So much, in fact, that even if you slaved all of Earth's resources and production facilities into making antimatter, it'd still take you a couple years to get enough.


so your saying that a anti-matter matter reaction has less power then the ration of oxygen and hydrogen. look here WWW Linka anti-matter matter ration has more power then you think.

And its AWFULLY hard to raise crops underground when you don't have any sunlight...


well i saw some thing on the science channel i think that there are making caves usable for agriculture with specale UV lights or something like that i can't remember
Reply #169 from Sins Forums Top
Sure, antimatter could work. We just need to start mining for antimatter in the Imaginary Land of Fantasyville. Unless you want to start collecting the antimatter we get from particle collisions.

Someone suggest we do that, so I can laugh at you.

-Bigglesworth
Reply #170 from Sins Forums Top
Then again, some theorists swear by intelligent design.


Hmmmm...? The Second Law of Thermodynamics clearly states that all energy in the universe is rapidly becoming unusable. If this be so, then it follows that eventually there will no longer be usable energy in the universe, unless more is being created. Which directly contradicts the First Law of Thermodynamics, as it states that energy (and matter) can be neither created nor destroyed. We therefore are left with the conclusion that eventually the universe will have no usable energy left. If the universe has been around forever, then we should have reached this point long ago, and this conversation proves we have usable energy. Meaning that the universe has not been around forever. If this be so, then we are in need of a reason for the universe to suddenly come into existence, for we cannot have an effect (the universe) without a cause.
Reply #171 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
If this be so, then we are in need of a reason for the universe to suddenly come into existence, for we cannot have an effect (the universe) without a cause.


So why not intelligent design then?

Reply #172 from Sins Forums Top
The Second Law of Thermodynamics clearly states that all energy in the universe is rapidly becoming unusable. If this be so, then it follows that eventually there will no longer be usable energy in the universe, unless more is being created. Which directly contradicts the First Law of Thermodynamics, as it states that energy (and matter) can be neither created nor destroyed. We therefore are left with the conclusion that eventually the universe will have no usable energy left. If the universe has been around forever, then we should have reached this point long ago, and this conversation proves we have usable energy. Meaning that the universe has not been around forever. If this be so, then we are in need of a reason for the universe to suddenly come into existence, for we cannot have an effect (the universe) without a cause.

If I had to grade you for your rhetoric, I would give that a solid F. You managed to use two non-sequiturs, a red herring, and a false premise all in the same paragraph. Who taught you formal argumentation, and where can I go to slap them?

Your explanation of thermodynamics earns a passing C-. I'd stick with the fundamentals next time, you only failed to show your work.

-Bigglesworth
Reply #173 from Sins Forums Top
If this be so, then we are in need of a reason for the universe to suddenly come into existence, for we cannot have an effect (the universe) without a cause.So why not intelligent design then?


Because Intelligent Design is not a science?

The Second Law of Thermodynamics clearly states that all energy in the universe is rapidly becoming unusable.


It cannot be said that "the universe" is a closed and isolated system as there are still forces at work that we do not fully understand but affect everything, like gravity. Therefore the Law does not apply directly to it.
Reply #174 from GalCiv2 Forums Top
Your explanation of thermodynamics earns a passing C-. I'd stick with the fundamentals next time, you only failed to show your work.


who the hell are you a teacher i am still on spring brack i don't whont to listen to nor should i see a grade for at least two weeks.

Reply #175 from Sins Forums Top
I have to say that space travel would be wicked, but i do not think we will ever get that far... and as to all these laws i keep reading about.....ever heard "laws are ment to be broken"? or how about "PEOPLE screw up"...

Plus, these laws are not actual laws in the way you seem to understand them....these are called laws, cause it is something that has been observed...like the "LAW of nature" is not really a law, it is just something that has been observed

These laws are things that happen a lot over and over without change...but there are exceptions...

And matter can be destroyed....turning in to energy.. E=mc^2 read up on it :)