Bush Sez Only Mistake Appointing Disloyal Men: Prez Debate 2

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Those of you who watched last night's debate know what I'm talking about. Bush was asked to list three mistakes, and basically insisted that he'd made none. None. You may remember that he gave the same answer some months ago, when asked at one of his few press conferences.

None? Anyone who's interviewed for a job knows that saying "none" means you're appallingly arrogant or frighteningly out of touch with reality. Bush should be at least half way competent enough to bullshit a better answer. Iraq is a mess. Generals are saying that. Senators are saying that. The CIA is saying it. And Bush says he's made no significant mistakes? Today, the New York Times documents that the Bush economic "recovery" is an embarrassment compared to those of both his Democratic and Republican predecessors, and he can't think of anything he would have done differently?

Bush lives in a bubble, and is out of touch with the reality in Iraq, and the reality in America. Bush has demonstrated that he's not only unwilling to learn from his mistakes, he's so cocooned from reality that he doesn't even know he's made any.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
None? Anyone who's interviewed for a job knows that saying "none" means you're appallingly arrogant or frighteningly out of touch with reality. Bush should be at least half way competent enough to bullshit a better answer. Iraq is a mess. Generals are saying that. Senators are saying that


Excuse me? What failure firm have you worked for?

Not everyone thinks they are a loser. Time for you to get a better career so you are not.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
"Bush was asked to list three mistakes, and basically insisted that he'd made none. None."{/quote] He didn't insist he had made none, you're a liar. Show me in the transcript where he insisted he had made no mistakes. He didn't use the word "none" in his reply.

"GRABEL: President Bush, during the last four years, you have made thousands of decisions that have affected millions of lives. Please give three instances in which you came to realize you had made a wrong decision, and what you did to correct it. Thank you.

BUSH: I have made a lot of decisions, and some of them little, like appointments to boards you never heard of, and some of them big.

And in a war, there's a lot of -- there's a lot of tactical decisions that historians will look back and say: He shouldn't have done that. He shouldn't have made that decision. And I'll take responsibility for them. I'm human.

But on the big questions, about whether or not we should have gone into Afghanistan, the big question about whether we should have removed somebody in Iraq, I'll stand by those decisions, because I think they're right.

That's really what you're -- when they ask about the mistakes, that's what they're talking about. They're trying to say, "Did you make a mistake going into Iraq?" And the answer is, "Absolutely not." It was the right decision.

The Duelfer report confirmed that decision today, because what Saddam Hussein was doing was trying to get rid of sanctions so he could reconstitute a weapons program. And the biggest threat facing America is terrorists with weapons of mass destruction.

We knew he hated us. We knew he'd been -- invaded other countries. We knew he tortured his own people.

On the tax cut, it's a big decision. I did the right decision. Our recession was one of the shallowest in modern history.

Now, you asked what mistakes. I made some mistakes in appointing people, but I'm not going to name them. I don't want to hurt their feelings on national TV.

(LAUGHTER)

BUSH: But history will look back, and I'm fully prepared to accept any mistakes that history judges to my administration, because the president makes the decisions, the president has to take the responsibility.

GIBSON: Senator Kerry, a minute and a half."



Blogic, you are out of control. You've made article after article like this lately. I don't know if it is for points of if you are just really angry at Bush, but I don't think you deserve the venue at this point with what you are doing with it. Your artcicles lately have, frankly, sucked. You are slipping down below Marvin Cooley.
Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
blogic, you crack me up.

First, that's the kind of prejudicial rhetorical question that should never have been chosen by Gibson in the first place and it's a lose-lose question for Bush no matter how he responds. It's classic "Have you or have you not stopped beating your wife? Yes or No?" Given how McAwful and the other partisan snakes went ballistic over "internets," for cryin' out loud, you think they would have all said "Oh my God, Bush did the right thing in admitting that he (insert mistake here) and we should here and now praise his courage and honesty"? Beam me up to wherever you are if so. I can just hear Hillary now.

They'd have been all over any mistake he admitted to like flies on shit and would be pounding him on it every day until the election and you know it, just like you're pounding on him for not making some sort of confession of guilt. Bush did a better job of finessing the question than he did in the press conference earlier this year, but he should never have been subjected to it. It amounted to nothing but a cheap ambush on behalf of Kerry. I don't know if Gibson's list was set in stone beforehand or whether he might have pulled that one out ot the stack in spite over being interrupted by Bush earlier in the debate, but either way it was bogus.

Kerry hasn't had his nuts held to the fire like that yet because our mainstream press are nothing but lapdogs for the left.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Your artcicles lately have, frankly, sucked. You are slipping down below Marvin Cooley.


Duh! That is why I hav enot responded! Except to your post.

Again, Duh!
Reply #5 from PolMach Forums Top
I agree Bush was evarsive and he can do a much better job at answering this question. I will vote for the guy not because he is faultless. He has admitted he has make mistakes. I do agree that he didn't make mistake on the larger issues. I think he could simply name three issues. I do think he indirect said he biggest mistakes are appointment. My guess is that he is talking about O'Neill. O'Neill did cause WhiteHouse some problem: Like when Bush was talking about strong currency policy, O'Neill suddenly talking about the dollar should drop its value. He has repeatly said funny things like that, which cause the WhiteHouse many troubles.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Take a look at the transcript -- this is the closest he comes to admitting any mistakes. Bush takes a potshot at some of his appointments, and you're telling me that's him acknowledging a mistake? Bush seem out of touch with the situations in Iraq and America, and all he can do is blame others for his mistakes.
GRABEL: President Bush, during the last four years, you have made thousands of decisions that have affected millions of lives. Please give three instances in which you came to realize you had made a wrong decision, and what you did to correct it. Thank you.

BUSH: I have made a lot of decisions, and some of them little, like appointments to boards you never heard of, and some of them big.

And in a war, there's a lot of -- there's a lot of tactical decisions that historians will look back and say: He shouldn't have done that. He shouldn't have made that decision. And I'll take responsibility for them. I'm human.

[snip]

Now, you asked what mistakes. I made some mistakes in appointing people, but I'm not going to name them. I don't want to hurt their feelings on national TV.
Wow, he's really done a lot of soul searching on this. I feel so much more confident he's learned something from the last four years.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't need to look at the transcript, because I QUOTED THE ENTIRE RESPONSE above on Reply# 2...

You are lying, blogic, and purposefully. He never once denied making mistakes. Did last night go so well for Bush that you have to critique grammar and make up lies?
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
You're obviously not bothering to read, much less contemplate, the replies here, blogic. You're very close to being completely ignored.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
He's reading them, he's just being obtuse. He's lying, though, and the obviousness of the lie makes me wonder who he thinks he's appealing to. Even Kerry people will see that this isn't true...
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

When we get subscriptions going, we'll have to make sure we put in a way to simply ignore certain posts. I.e. so that when you're logged on user X's posts won't show up for you on the various sidebars.  Because I agree, Blogic has slowly moved from interesting editiorial to transparent propaganda.

Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
I don't think this qualifies even as propaganda. This has reached the point of misinformation. Nothing subjective about it, it is just false. He might as well be saying that Bush killed the Limburgh baby...

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
According to MoveOn.org, he did.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Only thing I didn't like is Bush didn't really say WHAT he did wrong.

Mistakes:
1: Unknown(s) people put in placements by mistake.
2:?
3:?

But he didn't say that he made no mistakes.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
No doubt. I'm not saying he didn't dodge the question, but Kerry dodged questions, too. Every politician does. Blogic wants to twist that into Bush openly declaring he hasn't made any mistakes.

STUPID



...isn't it.
Reply #15 from PolMach Forums Top
Blogic is full of crap

Here are the facts to Bush's response to that question:
1. Bush admitted to making mistakes. (He admitted making mistakes in appointing people to positions)
2. Bush admitted that he may have made mistakes on the war but its too early to tell.
Reply #16 from PolMach Forums Top
oligarchy314, you are more full of crap than is Blogic. In response to the question, Bush basically said "I have made mistakes," not naming anything in particular. That was clearly a way to avoid the question because he knew that naming any mistake would cost him political support. And yet he says the political tides don't influence his position and Kerry is a flip-flopper. He clearly isn't immune to political pressures.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #16 By: Politically Active - 10/10/2004 8:46:09 AM
oligarchy314, you are more full of crap than is Blogic. In response to the question, Bush basically said "I have made mistakes," not naming anything in particular. That was clearly a way to avoid the question because he knew that naming any mistake would cost him political support


I think that you are the one full of it. Everyone is saying Bush never admitted to making a mistake. Then what is the lie " I have made mistakes"????? This being pulled from your own post. No one is IMMUNE to political pressures.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
-No you are!

-No YOU are!!!

-Stupidface

-Stink breath

Politics bring out the best in everyone. I agree blogic is getting a little caught up in the moment, but I wouldn't say he's any worse than marvin, marvin isn't living in the real world.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
blogic:

I think what many didn't like was the way the admission of error being something others would make the decision on. For example, a boss might make the decision that one of his workers did the wrong thing and fire him but the worker might think that he did nothing wrong. This statement of Bush's is very much in that vein.

What people were looking for was a statement of contrition. They wanted, "I know now that I shouldn't have __________" with a statement about fixing the error. That is what is being debated around the media and internet this weekend. Liberals find it a defining moment because it appears arrogant. Conservatives find it a statement of strength. But undecideds seem to see it closer to the liberal point of view than the conservative or so it seems to me. Of course, that's just my opinion of what I've read, but it is still my opinion.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Bush is smart enough to know that no matter what he says, only time & the playout of events will determine whether his major policy decisions were mistakes or not. What the left thinks his mistakes have been is public record. I respect him for not willingly stepping on that land mine just to satisfy either the press or the Kerry campaign's demands because it would simply be handing them a loaded gun.

If you seriously think the response would simply go something like this: "Thanks, Mr. President, for showing us you are contrite. You are a wonderful man, worthy of re-election now that we know you are capable of self-awareness. Go forth and prosper.", I want some of what you're smoking. All of this is just arrogant, insulting and crass political posturing.

McAwful & his hyenas would rip into him every day till the election, using any admission of error as just more of what they call proof that we need a change in the White House. They are far worse than Kerry himself, who is pathetic enough - he's been given a free pass on letting all the hyenas he's hired and befriended have a frickin' feeding frenzy of hate and made one feeble attempt to reign them in and bring some civility to his campaign. And now he's starting to publicly echo the worst of them.

Time to get over it.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
BTW, Kerry can't win a civil campaign, which is part of the problem. If he can't use lie after lie after lie to paint Bush as the worst President since Hoover and the most evil human being since Hitler, he can't win. Talk about misleading, to use one of his favorite words.

0.02

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
While my original title "Bush Shockingly Denies Ever Making Mistakes: Prez Debate II" was certainly dramatic, I think the gist was accurate. Presumably the Bush supporters will be happier with my updated title: "Bush Sez Only Mistake Appointing Disloyal Men: Prez Debate 2".
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
No, he never used the word "disloyal". You can't tell the truth even when you try.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
The gist was complete and total bullshit and the new title confirms it.

Cheers,
Daiwa