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TAXES, TAXES, TAXES!

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TAXES, TAXES, TAXES!

AND STILL MORE TAXES!

from JoeUser Forums

Career politicians use the word, "BILLIONS" In a casual manner. A billion is a difficult number to wrap my brain around and I assume a difficult number for you to wrap your brain around too!.

However let me put a BILLION INTO A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU ALL.

A BILLION seconds ago it was 1959.

A BILLION minutes ago Jesus Christ was still alive!

A BILLION hours ago our ancestors were still living in the stone age!

A BILLION years ago Evolutionist tell us no form of humanity walked the planet.

A BILLION DOLLARS ago the federal government spent that amount in Eight hours and twenty minutes, at the present rate of spending.

While these thoughts are still fresh in our minds, lets take a look at hurricane Katrina, just in New Orleans, which is considered our governments greatest failure. Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu asked the Congress for 250 BILLION dollars to rebuild New Orleans. If you were one of the 484,674 residents of New Orleans it would mean that you would receive 516,258 each! over 1/2 million dollars. or, if you had one of the 188,251 homes in New Orleans, each household would get1,329,787 Dollars, or if you were a family of four you would receive 2,066,012 dollars.

But what went wrong? Did the residents get the monies? Who spent the BILLIONS? The Answer is the career politicians and their cronies did, you know the tax and spend crowd.

Here is a poem: author unknown

Tax his land, tax his wage, tax the bed on which he lays! Tax his tractor, tax his mule, Teach him taxes are the rule. Tax his pants, tax his coat, tax his ties, tax his shirt, tax him even if he tries to shirk.

Tax his bills, tax his gas, tax his notes tax his cash, if he cries tax his tears! Tax him good and let him know, after taxes he'll have no dough. If he hollers, tax him more, tax him till he's good and sore. Tax his coffin, tax his grave. Tax the sod in which he lays. Put these words upon his tomb, Taxes drove him to his doom and when he's gone we won't relax, we will go after his inheritance TAX!

The following list of taxable items did not exist 100 years ago.

Cigarette tax. Corporate Tax, Dog License Tax. Federal Unemployment Tax. Fishing License Tax. Food license tax. Fuel permit tax. Gasoline Tax. Hunting license tax. Inheritance tax. Inventory tax. IRS Interest and penalties tax {taxes on top of taxes}. Liquor tax. Luxury tax. Marriage License Tax. Medicare tax. Property Tax. Real estate tax. Recreational Vehicle tax. Road usage tax {truckers}.  Sales tax. Services charge tax. Social security tax. State income tax. State unemployment tax. Telephone taxes {federal excise tax, universal tax, federal, state and local Surcharge tax, Minimum usage tax, recurring and non-recurring tax}. Utility tax. Vehicle sales tax. Watercraft registration tax. and last but not least well permit tax!

Now we have two candidates from the Democrats that promise to raise our taxes some more.

Much as I hate to say this, Vote McCain 2008!

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Reply #26 from Stardock Forums Top
Artysim
on Apr 10, 2008
I am not ignoring you, I am giving what you wrote the thought it deserves. There is quite a bit of information you present and since you took the time and effort to make it so well written out, it deserves some time and thought from me.
Reply #27 from Stardock Forums Top

Meh, I'll just send my money overseas if the government wants to insist on trying to steal what I earn. :)

Elemental: Reforged
Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Like it or not, republicans are the party of tax and spend. It's like those deals at the furniture stores where they say "no payments for five years!" You might not pay anything for five years but when you do pay, you have to pay all that interest your loan has been accumulating. It's the same with the Reagan/Bush National Debt. Eventually we're going to have to pay it off and the way the government gets money is from taxes. Or maybe we can just sell Florida. :LOL:
Reply #29 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Draginol, reply 27
Meh, I'll just send my money overseas if the government wants to insist on trying to steal what I earn.
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Sadly, that's just what I am afraid of brad.

Reply #30 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Benmeister, reply 28
Like it or not, republicans are the party of tax and spend. It's like those deals at the furniture stores where they say "no payments for five years!" You might not pay anything for five years but when you do pay, you have to pay all that interest your loan has been accumulating. It's the same with the Reagan/Bush National Debt. Eventually we're going to have to pay it off and the way the government gets money is from taxes. Or maybe we can just sell Florida.
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NO! Bush is, not the Republican party.

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

Quoting Benmeister, reply 11

Glad your a proponet for class warfare, what will you do when the rich start to close down all the jobs? Blame them again? And it would affect My wife and I raising taxes on the so called rich.The Clintons made over 100 million dollars since 2000. How many jobs did they create because of Bush's tax cuts and how many jobs do you think will be lost if their taxes are raised? The answer is 0. Corporations making record profits are not going to lay anyone off if their taxes are raised.The wealthiest 10% of the population control 71% of the wealth yet only pay 66% of the taxes.

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I think you underestimate the motivations of corporations. Faced with a reduction in net income, they will find ways to get back to the desired rate of return. It might mean reducing spending on non-labor items (thus impacting the economy) or layoffs (thus impacting the economoy), but it will happen.

Reply #32 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting zorven, reply 31
Benmeistercomment 11Glad your a proponet for class warfare, what will you do when the rich start to close down all the jobs? Blame them again? And it would affect My wife and I raising taxes on the so called rich.The Clintons made over 100 million dollars since 2000. How many jobs did they create because of Bush's tax cuts and how many jobs do you think will be lost if their taxes are raised? The answer is 0. Corporations making record profits are not going to lay anyone off if their taxes are raised.The wealthiest 10% of the population control 71% of the wealth yet only pay 66% of the taxes.(bold added by me)I think you underestimate the motivations of corporations. Faced with a reduction in net income, they will find ways to get back to the desired rate of return. It might mean reducing spending on non-labor items (thus impacting the economy) or layoffs (thus impacting the economoy), but it will happen.
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All good points, but do not expect any answers from the far left all they think about is right now, not the future and what will happen if class warfare happens.

Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top

Artysimon Apr 10, 2008 Moderateman, I do believe that there is a class system developing.... I'm not going to go so far as to describe the various levels of middle and upper class because quite frankly I don't know how to define those properly. But, there is definitely a growing permanent underclass. Many jobs that were once mill jobs or manufacturing jobs have been replaced with pizza delivery or wal-mart jobs. Yes, a few smart folks who work these jobs will always find a way here or there to move on up the ladder, but the truth is that the number of spots higher up the ladder are getting fewer and fewer. Yes, you will always have the entrepreneur who finds a niche and makes a go at it, but the truth is that the vast majority of entrepreneurs fail in the first two years.
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Here we are in complete agreement.

 

In your traditional old telephone company, you used to have a lot of central office techs who were pretty smart and involved with their craft. These were guys who would go out in the field and install equipment, troubleshoot network problems, provision equipment etc. Basically they were the go-to guys, and were considered "middle class". Typically unionized, made a good wage and part of a four year trades program. These were guys who could tear apart an old radio system, find a faulty crystal on a printed circuit board and do the repairs right then and there. Now, these jobs still exist and are still important, but ho boy are they shrinking big time! Now most communications products are designed to have the intelligence "built-in" during the engineering phase. By the time it hits the field, you just need a pair of hands to cable it out and plug it in.
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This is simply progress. it happens, the only way to stop it is to throw away the computers and the progress made in the last 30 years.

 

The fact that we are moving to a class system is not a question in my mind. For me the main question is what should we do about it?
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How about I throw this one back in your court. there is no stopping progress unless you are talking wealth redistribution, and that my friend is Communism, Colleen and I have worked to hard to get where we are why should we be forced to give what we sweated for to some bum that has done nothing but drank beer and watched baseball?

Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top

Artysim
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I am waiting for your answer!