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Putting This war into Perspective

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Putting This war into Perspective

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http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
from JoeUser Forums

While I admit MOST life is precious, I keep hearing about the 4,000 plus deaths so far in the war against terror.

Here is a little perspective about wars America has engaged in:

The Revolutionary war: 4,435 Deaths

The Mexican war: 13,283 Deaths

The Civil war: 364,511 Deaths

World war one: 116,516 Deaths

World war two: 405,399 Deaths

The Korean war: 36,574 deaths

The Vietnam war" 58,209 deaths

Kind of put things into perspective huh folks.

A little debunking about Vietnam, many blacks love to shout from the rooftops how America put the blacks in the most dangerous positions, how America used them as fodder in the war because they were to poor to escape the draft, this has been taken as truth for many years because if your repeat a lie long enough soon it becomes some kind of "TRUTH. Well the real truth is in Vietnam there were 49,802 white deaths and  7,241 black deaths, this does not add up to putting blacks in more harms way does it? Just a matter of if you tell a lie long enough and loud enough it takes a life of its own.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Please note the legitimate; I'm not advocating whole sale executions of them, either. I'm simply saying that their own acts have removed them from the "precious" category. In essance, I'm ranting because that phrase is yet another of a million over simplifications that drive me insane.



Think about this:

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong?"

To me, to kill someone who has killed another, is just as wrong as the killing the person did themeslves. Killing is wrong no matter what, in my opinion.

In addition, please consider the following bit of philosophy. All life ends. Death is one of the very few true constants in life. Life, in fact, is based in death. When we die, bacteria will consume us, scavengers may very well ravage us. The food we eat is borne of that death; plants are fed by the rotted remains of other living things. No form of life escapes the simple constant that for us to live, others must die. Death, therefore, can not be considered evil. It simply is. What remains is how we die, and what we do before we die.


And I do, but who are we to, essentially, play God and take other's lives? And yes, death is a part of life, trust me I know that. I came close to dying multiple times so far, and I'm only twenty-one. What I don't see, is the point of unnecessary killing. Pointless killing.

Sorry, I can't agree with that. Life is precious, I will agree with. However, saying all life is precious is going to far. Child rapists, terrorists, torturers, and similar ilk debase the value of their own life with their actions untill its nil. I'm not going to run around murdering them myself -- that would be just as wrong as their own acts -- but neither am I going to cry crocodiile tears because they got "what was coming" to them in a legitimate manner.


The only tears that I would shed, would be that they "had" to die, instead of being swayed to change what they've done.
Reply #27 from PolMach Forums Top
which at the time consisted only of an exit strategy.


On what planet did Rumsfeld allegedly have an exit strategy?
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
On what planet did Rumsfeld allegedly have an exit strategy?


Okay what is your strategy for victory?

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show people that killing people is wrong?"

To me, to kill someone who has killed another, is just as wrong as the killing the person did themeslves. Killing is wrong no matter what, in my opinion.


Sorry to say you are not right, we don’t kill people to show people that killing is wrong. We execute people who have proven that their continued existence on this planet and this country is a danger to the population. Think of it as a retroactive abortion.


And I do, but who are we to, essentially, play God and take other's lives? And yes, death is a part of life, trust me I know that. I came close to dying multiple times so far, and I'm only twenty-one. What I don't see, is the point of unnecessary killing. Pointless killing.


It is not playing God. Society set a bunch of rules down and everyone knows them. If you violate those rules you will be punished by that society. I could understand if no one knew the punishment for murder was death but it is well publicized. You knew that you forfeit your life if you murder a human. What does it say when you know that you will be killed for murder and you do it anyway? The murderer is demonstrating that he as no respect for our people or our laws. Knowing what will happen they do it anyway says they are prepared to die for their crime. Think of it as suicide rather than government sanctioned killing.

Reply #29 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting Ron, reply 25
SilentPoetOh and Mod, I disagree, ALL life is precious. Personally I don't differentiate.Sorry, I can't agree with that.  Life is precious, I will agree with.  However, saying all life is precious is going to far.  Child rapists, terrorists, torturers, and similar ilk debase the value of their own life with their actions untill its nil.  I'm not going to run around murdering them myself -- that would be just as wrong as their own acts --  but neither am I going to cry crocodiile tears because they got "what was coming" to them in a legitimate manner.Please note the legitimate; I'm not advocating whole sale executions of them, either.  I'm simply saying that their own acts have removed them from the "precious" category.  In essance, I'm ranting because that phrase is yet another of a million over simplifications that drive me insane.In addition, please consider the following bit of philosophy.  All life ends.  Death is one of the very few true constants in life.  Life, in fact, is based in death.  When we die, bacteria will consume us, scavengers may very well ravage us.  The food we eat is borne of that death; plants are fed by the rotted remains of other living things.  No form of life escapes the simple constant that for us to live, others must die.  Death, therefore, can not be considered evil.  It simply is.  What remains is how we die, and what we do before we die.

Thank you! for understanding exactly the point I was trying to make to a bleeding heart.

Reply #30 from Stardock Forums Top

Quoting The_Politico, reply 27
which at the time consisted only of an exit strategy.On what planet did Rumsfeld allegedly have an exit strategy?

From which war college did you get your degree on how to wage war?

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top

Paladin77on Apr 17, 2008 On what planet did Rumsfeld allegedly have an exit strategy? Okay what is your strategy for victory?

it's the world famous French defense, run away fast as you can, then surrender and pray someone else bails you out!

Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
it's the world famous French defense, run away fast as you can, then surrender and pray someone else bails you out!


Well that works for the French as long as they have us to bail them out.
Reply #33 from PolMach Forums Top
it's the world famous French defense, run away fast as you can, then surrender and pray someone else bails you out!


Well we tried the Bush strategy of "getting as many US soldiers killed as possible and hope that the terrorists get sick of killing people".

Bush said he would catch Bin Laden dead or alive, I guess dead of old age is still dead.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well we tried the Bush strategy of "getting as many US soldiers killed as possible and hope that the terrorists get sick of killing people".

Bush said he would catch Bin Laden dead or alive, I guess dead of old age is still dead.


Once again you failed to answer the question posed to you. You seriously need to work on your reading comprehension.