Super delegate win could equal bigger loss for Hillary

1 in 5 say will not vote for Hillary if ...

News in article here: 'Super delegate' win would be unfair, voters say where the following should be a very clear message to Hillary supporters out there:

WASHINGTON — A majority of Democratic voters say it would be unfair for Hillary Rodham Clinton to win the presidential nomination through the support of "super delegates" if she lags among the convention delegates elected in primaries and caucuses, according to a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.

If that happens, one in five say they wouldn't vote for the New York senator in the general election.

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In effect these voters are promising HRC that if she can't win by the popular vote within the primaries that they won't support her come general election time.  Ouch.

I don't blame the voters for feeling that way, as the idea that these super delegates are more important than any individual voter is just seems wrong to me.  The voters in the primaries and caucuses have been deciding, or should have been deciding, who the candidate of the party would be all along, but unfortunately since it wasn't winner take all and delegates were proportioned out to the leading candidates there's the current mess with HRC trailing Obama by a considerable distance.  If HRC can't make up the distance and instead twists the arms (and other limbs) of the super delegates to get the win the voting populace that would be needed to win the general election will likely not be there.

Such is the danger for the Democrats as they continue their primary season of discontent.

I've said multiple times that the best hope for the Democrats, if they really want to win the general election, is for HRC to walk away and do it soon.  If she drags things out and refuses to give up without a fight, or worse does win the nomination after a fight, the alienation of a vast constituency that the Democrats normally count on is virtually certain.  That 1 in 5 is probably a woefully under-counted and under-reported number.

Not that I'm a big fan of McCain, but at this point I'm sure he really is enjoying the turmoil that is going on for the Democrats.  He already appeals to moderates and independents and is nearly as liberal (all things considered) as either of the other democrats (yeah, I know, McCain claims to be republican, but be real here!) that remains so he stands to benefit greatly by hard core democrats that stay away from the polls, or even worse (potentially) the possibility that voters that would have supported Obama instead show up to vote for McCain when faced with the possibility of HRC being the next commander-in-chief.

Oh the fun political times we live in. ;)

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as the idea that these super delegates are more important than any individual voter is just seems wrong to me.
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It actually is very European. As in the winning party selects the PM, not the voters directly. And we all know how much in love the democrats are with anything europe, right? ;)
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Super delegates are not more important.  They really should be considered automatic delegates not super delegates.  They are seated automatically based on their status as current or former Democratic office holders.  They are about 20% of delegates. 

I think Hillary SHOULD absolutely stay in the race and let the primary season run its course.  It amazes me how Hillary and Obama have been practically tied and so many are calling for her to hang it up and let the coronation of Barack "the future" Obama continue.  We have a process, let's follow it.  It wasn't very long ago that the death knolls of John Sydney McCain were heralded and now he is the nominee. 

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I remember seeing a Democratic bumper sticker stating "make your vote count" with Hillary Clinton's name on it and then she claims that if push comes to shove that she will still win with her super delegates. BTW, I think it's wrong to use the word super when it comes to politicians, unless we are talking about how super selfish they all are.
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then she claims that if push comes to shove that she will still win with her super delegates.
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super delegates votes count too. 

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super delegates votes count too.
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Right. Some people are just more equal than others. Hello Snowball and Napolean.
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super delegates votes count too.
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You mean they are the only ones that count. You know for a Democrat you sure love being told right in your face that your vote doesn't really count even though they told you it would. If all Democrats are like you man you are a gullible breed. :LOL:
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It amazes me how Hillary and Obama have been practically tied and so many are calling for her to hang it up and let the coronation of Barack "the future" Obama continue.
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With the way the Dem primary is set up to split the delegates in most states based on popular votes, it seems difficult not to have a close race.  It is certainly a more individually egalitarian approach than the winner take all approach in most of the Repub primaries, though it is more likely to produce these protracted battles.  That said, why bother with delegates if you're going to predominantly follow the popular vote.

As history has shown there is a decent likelihood that the popular vote will split, this just pushes more power into the hands of superdelegates.  They may be elected or past elected officials, but are they elected to do a specific job of government or to decide who becomes the party's nominee?

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You mean they are the only ones that count. You know for a Democrat you sure love being told right in your face that your vote doesn't really count even though they told you it would. If all Democrats are like you man you are a gullible breed.
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They are not the only ones that count.  They are only 20% of the delegates.  In most years, their votes would not hold much sway.  Because this is a close election they do.  People act like they are throwing all the primary and caucus delegates vote out and only letting the super delegates decide and that is just plain NOT TRUE. 

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Right. Some people are just more equal than others. Hello Snowball and Napolean.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was awesome :D
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People act like they are throwing all the primary and caucus delegates vote out and only letting the super delegates decide and that is just plain NOT TRUE.
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When you have a person like Hillary Clinton saying she will win regardless of the popular vote because of her super delegates, people don't have to act, they react. But you continue to "act" like your party is not doing anything that could be deemed shameful or disgraceful. As I said before:

If all Democrats are like you man you are a gullible breed.
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I won't count Hillary out yet since Obama’s dirty little racist affiliation has surfaced (man of the people, yeah right). She's doing a good job of setting herself up for failure during the general election now that her first lady records are coming out. She said her plane was shot at in Bosnia, Comedian Sinbad says "not true". She said Chelsea and her had to keep their heads down and run for cover when they landed. Photos show them grinning and gripping outside the plane. Did that other guy in the democratic race quit (what was his name), he might be their best shot at prez. Looks like the Clinton mind control trick is broken (help me Obi Wan). Otherwise it's McDonalds for McCain...cause he's luvin it! 

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Michigan & Florida primary disasters = Palm Beach hanging chads (what were they thinking?).

Super Delegates = Supreme Court.

Reckon the Dems will be happy to have Obama 'robbed' of the nomination?

The irony in all this is tasty indeed.
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I find it incredibly humorous that Loca comes here and defends her 'gal' Hilldog.  Of course you are happy about the idea of Hillary winning via super delegates, and of course you don't think their votes are more important, but...

Obama has won how many caucuses and primaries?  Answer: the vast majority of them.  Even Hillary's 'win' in Texas was a loss.  She lost the caucuses there, and though she may have won the popular vote, didn't collect as many delegates (not super delegates, but delegates) there.

Face facts - Hillary should be long gone and should have walked away once she didn't get the delegates she needed from Texas.  That she didn't shows what an egomaniac she is.  She feels she's owed the job.  Tells people that Obama isn't qualified while implying she is.  Why isn't he qualified?  Not enough experience she says.  What real experience does she offer?  First lady?  Wife of the commander-in-chief that was getting a BJ when he should have been working on protecting the security of the nation?  Mrs. failed health care plan?  Mrs. Whitewater.  Mrs. how much is that pardon in the window?  Mrs. President whose National Security Advisor stuffed classified documents down his pants in order not to let the original materials be examined because they could reflect badly upon the President or himself?

Yeah, she has a ton of experience.  Experience in making money in the stock market with little or no effort.  Experience in carpet bagging into the job of Senator in one of the most liberal states in the Union, rather than going back 'home' where there wasn't a chance in hell of winning a job as a Senator.

Who do you want answering the phone?  The guy that associates with people with beliefs similar to Kanye West (even if he doesn't share those beliefs) or the woman that wasn't aware of where her husband was when he was trying to have some sort of relationship with Mrs. Willey, or Paula Jones, or ....

Yeah, I'd be supporting her ass all the way to the end too (NOT!!!)

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Loca has  a right to come here and support her girl. If the Pastor Wright thing would have broke 2 months earlier, I'm sure it would be a different ball game now for Hillary.

I think this election will be a win-win for republicans no matter who gets elected.There would be an element of amusement watching the the "experianced" democrat president in action, as long as our wallets can stand it.

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HRC to walk away and do it soon.
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Tell that to the "04 Red Sox. There's a chance, though slim, for her to win with some, reasonable help from super delegates. How is it Kerry, Kennedy, and Richardson had no qualms ignoring the majority state delegate pledges? If it were Edwards and Clinton going toe to toe till the end there would not be a cry to end it: DNC fears the black and youth voters.
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DNC fears the black and youth voters.
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The only fear they have, is fear itself! ;)
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The only fear they have, is fear itself!
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Good one!