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Cheney trumps Edwards

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Cheney appears to have decidedly beaten Edwards.  Edwards just appeared a little bit out of his depth. I think Edwards could have stood up well against Bush, but Cheney just looked like a seasoned pro.

I don't think this will have much affect on the polls though as the veeps just don't make that much of a difference.

I think the key sound bites were very much in Cheney's favor -- i.e. the sound bites that will get repeated will show Cheney hammering Edwards and that is where it could make a difference.

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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
" For those who have some sense of humor about these things: Cheney suggested that people go to FactCheck.com. Oops."


I think he really meant fatchicks.com. mmm, more paddin for the pushin...

P.S. I have NO CLUE what you'll find if you really type that in. Don't blame me, I was just making a funny...
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
GX: that's hilarious. Mrs. blogic constantly makes John Edward / Edwards jokes, due to too much daytime television watching during a vacation in 2002.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
I must be seriously watching debates with look alikes, because I thought Bush clearly beat out Kerry and I dont think Cheney wiped the floor with Edwards.
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #55 from PolMach Forums Top
I figured you would be here stating what you thought about the debate first. The wrong election and wrong party to back. Sorry to say!


I don't think you mean me, but since your reply is beneath mine and figure it must be me, well here is my rebuttal.

1. I am voting Badnarik, 100%
2. I like Cheney but does not mean I like the rest (I hate both Democrats and Republicans since they both are basically the same when you boil them down).
3. Which sound bites do you hear being played more? (Won't know until tomorrow for sure who gets played more.)
4. I dislike the Christian Fundamentalism that has taken ahold of the Republicans and the Racial Hypocrisy that has taken ahold of the Democrats.

Right now I cannot think of more points so I end it here, time for sleep.

Goodnight.

- GX
Enslaved Employee of INGSOC
Reply #56 from PolMach Forums Top
GX: that's hilarious. Mrs. blogic constantly makes John Edward / Edwards jokes, due to too much daytime television watching during a vacation in 2002.


Thank you, but alas I cannot take credit for the picture it comes from about.com's political humor section, who did the picture, not quite sure, but I take credit for the 'psychic channel' referencing below the picture that was mine, but some others have also made 'psychic channel' jokes just hope they hadn't already done the Elmer Fudd one.

Once again, Goodnight.

- GX
Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
"1. I am voting Badnarik, 100%"


I tip my hat to you. If most people who are opposed to Bush vote Badnarik, I think we'll have a great four years to come...
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #50 By: Desert Fox - 10/6/2004 12:04:11 AM
Man you are way off Edwards spanked him badly. What debate did you watch? Cheney almost choked and had a heart attack. He was good, much better then pathetic Bush was, but he did not stand up for anything. Sounds bites? The key thing was Edwards sticking up for the truth while Cheney kept trying to stick with discredting the DEM ticket. This was a classic case of a loosing team doing what they always must do. Discredit the other side and never allow them to take credit for anything.

I figured you would be here stating what you thought about the debate first. The wrong election and wrong party to back. Sorry to say!


Yeah you need a new party too. You need to get off that Democratic bandwagon!
Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
I believe Cheney one in the debates I mean how he handeld,about being so nice to his gay daughter,I was sure he would break down. What has that got to do with runing the country ? Such tripe! God forbid either one should become president under emergency circumstances.
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
The libs even flooded the FOX news polls tonight. Edwards leading there too. I actually chuckled when I saw that one considering how obvious it was that Cheney owned Edwards.
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Desert Fox Posted: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 Man you are way off Edwards spanked him badly
I think Edwards was begging to be spanked hehe breaking those rules naughty boy !

Have a good night~!~ ^_^

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Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think it was a draw, no real substance on either side but Edwards doing exactly what he was supposed to do, not wilting in the face of the Rebulican spin machine, no more than Cheney appeared defensive in response to the Dem spin machine. Time will tell and the oil will keep on flowing. It's just going to get a lot more expensive, ( well... more than it already has).

Amazing how hard it is to keep a grip on the bigger picuture with the media "follow the lemmings strategy" running full steam ahead based on their respective bias. Whatever happened to the theory that our presidential canidates should be exceptional, moral people that give us real choice and are not in need of fear tactics as the primariry campain platform and a forest of sound bites funded by corporate, special intrest lobby payouts? Please.... May I have another placebo? Hmmm... maybe I was sleeping that day in Political Science and misunderstood.

Year after year we continue to lap up the lies, the insinuation, the promises and continue to be fasinated by the machine as if we really know what is going on and have any tangible effect upon it's all to predictable results. I believe that a fundamental change in accountability for those that "serve our better interest" is the only truth that provides us answers to intelligently arrive at any conclusions. But what the hell do I know, you will find me listed as a registered lemming just like 95% of the rest of the population in the US.
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
I want to answer several issues. First, we are electing a President. Thus, the issue of the president's policies is the point drmiler.

Second, Bush and Cheney never answer several basic questions:

Why have their economic and tax cuts not produced jobs for the five million new workers that have come into the work force since Jan 2001?

What do they plan to do about the 45 million people without health care including the 5 million that had it and lost it since Jan 2001?

How will making the tax cuts on the wealthy and the continued revenue loss balance the budget?

How do we get out of Iraq and regain the trust of other countries?

We have a track record of Bush, as president to look at. The first question is did he do the job well and if not why re-elect him? His failure to accomplish the main jobs above should answer that question. The policies of Bush and the conseratives are not working. We need to move toward the center. That will happen when the power is split by electing Kerry. He will stop the one sided far right agenda. The Republican control of either house of congress will not allow Kerry to establish more spending programs. That will benefit us all. I do not want to see EITHER parties control the White House and Congress- It does not prodice policies that fit where the majority of Americans want to be.

So far as my Book, readers are providing comments that make it clear it does address the issues of this election. It is documented with many credable sources. It does not use "sound bites" like the political ads but lays out the facts, good or bad, for the voter. I wrote "Four More For George W? " because as I said on the back cover, " There is only one thing worse than not voting - not knowing what you are voting for!"
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #63 By: COL Gene - 10/6/2004 7:08:54 AM
I want to answer several issues. First, we are electing a President. Thus, the issue of the president's policies is the point drmiler.

Second, Bush and Cheney never answer several basic questions:


Let me answer YOU in particular. First off the original comment was NOT directed to you! So stay out of it. Second the presidents policies ARE NOT the question! the title of the blog for YOUR information is "Cheney Trumps Edwards". Where do you see *anything* about Bushes policies? And thirdly Kerry/Edwards never answered some of the basics either. As far as I'm concerned neither camp is elaborating on *how* they intend to fix things! It's well known by now that you don't care for Bush.
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
Drmiler I thought the purpose of Blogging was to encourage comment. If Bloggers were to "stay out of It", we would not Blog.

As I have said, I do not dislike George W. Bush. I dislike the impact of his policies. What he has done is not making life in our country better for the vast majoity. Some have benefitted but not ANY of the poor or MOST of the middlle income Americans. In contrast, almost ALL the wealthy are having a party.
Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
Sorry didn't see the debates. . . and why when the Yankees and Twins were playing on Fox. It was probably better then the debates—especially since the "Yankees" lost.

Pam
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
If Edwards had beaten Cheney you two would be hammering home that fact


I was thinking the same thing. I thought the first presidential debate was closer to a tie than this one. Edwards was outmatched on almost every question.

The wrong election and wrong party to back.


I'm actually a Kerry supporter, but pretend time is over. Let's be honest. Edwards was OK, but he was beaten.
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #65 By: COL Gene - 10/6/2004 7:55:54 AM
Drmiler I thought the purpose of Blogging was to encourage comment. If Bloggers were to "stay out of It", we would not Blog.

As I have said, I do not dislike George W. Bush. I dislike the impact of his policies. What he has done is not making life in our country better for the vast majoity. Some have benefitted but not ANY of the poor or MOST of the middlle income Americans. In contrast, almost ALL the wealthy are having a party.


Again I must reiterate, Bushs policies are not the topic of this blog.The comment I made was to *desert Fox* and was a dig at him. It should have elicted no comments from anyone else but him.
Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiler - As I read the replies to the varrious Blogs, they often get into other issues. Sorry you do not like my comments. That is your right by living in America
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #70 By: COL Gene - 10/6/2004 9:27:31 AM
drmiler - As I read the replies to the varrious Blogs, they often get into other issues.


Yes they often do wander OT. And they are usually called on it too.
Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiller, you often go off-topic in your comments. I've repeatedly seen you respond to someone's points not by disproving them, but by making unrelated new assertions. I don't think there's anything wrong with that -- I always enjoy reading your comments -- but you should respect COL Gene's right to do the same.
Reply #73 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply #72 By: blogic - 10/6/2004 9:37:18 AM
drmiller, you often go off-topic in your comments. I've repeatedly seen you respond to someone's points not by disproving them, but by making unrelated new assertions. I don't think there's anything wrong with that -- I always enjoy reading your comments -- but you should respect COL Gene's right to do the same.


Your right I do and I am usually called to account for it also. And be sides that here is his original quote that started this.

Reply #63 By: COL Gene - 10/6/2004 7:08:54 AM
I want to answer several issues. First, we are electing a President. Thus, the issue of the president's policies is the point drmiler.

Second, Bush and Cheney never answer several basic questions:

Why have their economic and tax cuts not produced jobs for the five million new workers that have come into the work force since Jan 2001?

What do they plan to do about the 45 million people without health care including the 5 million that had it and lost it since Jan 2001?

How will making the tax cuts on the wealthy and the continued revenue loss balance the budget?

How do we get out of Iraq and regain the trust of other countries?

We have a track record of Bush, as president to look at. The first question is did he do the job well and if not why re-elect him? His failure to accomplish the main jobs above should answer that question. The policies of Bush and the conseratives are not working. We need to move toward the center. That will happen when the power is split by electing Kerry. He will stop the one sided far right agenda. The Republican control of either house of congress will not allow Kerry to establish more spending programs. That will benefit us all. I do not want to see EITHER parties control the White House and Congress- It does not prodice policies that fit where the majority of Americans want to be.

So far as my Book, readers are providing comments that make it clear it does address the issues of this election. It is documented with many credable sources. It does not use "sound bites" like the political ads but lays out the facts, good or bad, for the voter. I wrote "Four More For George W? " because as I said on the back cover, " There is only one thing worse than not voting - not knowing what you are voting for!"


At no time before this were the presidents policies in question. But if you look at the first line he calling me to account basically saying *I* was off topic. What's good for the goose is good for the gander!
Reply #74 from JoeUser Forums Top
drmiller, I would have interpreted COL Gene's comment to say that the point of everything election related -- including the VP debate -- is judging the president's policies. I don't think he was saying that you were off the discussion topic.
Reply #75 from PolMach Forums Top
This one goes to Cheney. Edwards was a bit over confident, and got rattled just enough by Cheney to shake his verbal command. He did manage to recover a bit, but by the end of the debate, it was obvious he was out of orbit. It's interesting to note that Cheney was able to appear more competent and knowledgable than Bush ever has.