Watching the veep debate - The Political Machine Forums

Reply #26 October 6, 2004 9:32 AM from

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Cheney's best quip of the night turns out not to be true. Cheney came off as smart and capable -- which means that I find it easier to believe he was dishonest than to believe he genuinely forgot meeting Edwards... three times.

Reply #27 October 6, 2004 9:43 AM from

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drmiler - I will try again. For the past 3 3/4 years Bush has been following policies, economic and foreign, that follow the wishes of a segment of our population - the conservatives. They represent, at best, 25-30% of the American People. The moderates and the liberals do not agree with most of the positions held by the conservatives. What has been taking place since Bush became president is that the positions and desires of the vast majoritry, the moderates and liberals, have been ignored by Bush and his cohorts in congress. That is not good for democracy or the long term health of America. The reason why there is so much bad political feeling is because the Bush administartion and the conservatives in congress totally ignore anything except what they want to happen in America. Bush and the Republican conservatives did not win a voter mandate for the policies thay have implemented.

It is time to MOVE TO THE POLITICAL CENTER!!! To make that happen one party can not control both houses of Congress and the White House!

Reply #28 October 6, 2004 10:05 AM from

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Reply #27 By: COL Gene - 10/6/2004 9:43:11 AM
drmiler - I will try again. For the past 3 3/4 years Bush has been following policies, economic and foreign, that follow the wishes of a segment of our population - the conservatives. They represent, at best, 25-30% of the American People. The moderates and the liberals do not agree with most of the positions held by the conservatives. What has been taking place since Bush became president is that the positions and desires of the vast majoritry, the moderates and liberals, have been ignored by Bush and his cohorts in congress. That is not good for democracy or the long term health of America. The reason why there is so much bad political feeling is because the Bush administartion and the conservatives in congress totally ignore anything except what they want to happen in America. Bush and the Republican conservatives did not win a voter mandate for the policies thay have implemented.

It is time to MOVE TO THE POLITICAL CENTER!!! To make that happen one party can not control both houses of Congress and the White House!

What you have do so far is to tell me that Bush is wrong and he's going about stuff wrong and that the people are fed up with him. That is your right as an American to have your opinions. What you are saying *basically* that we need to vote Kerry into office. That is your opinion and that also is cool with me. But in none of your replies so far do I see or read just how Kerry is going to fix things. He takes *great* pains to say that Bush is wrong and that he has a better way. But he NEVER mentions just what his better way is, how his way is better or better still how he's going to fund them.

Reply #29 October 6, 2004 10:09 AM from

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The US has the most troops on the ground, the US has the most casualties on the ground. How was Edwards burned on that one? We don't have a strong coalition, Britain only has somewhere around 7,000 troops. Do you call 10 troops from Rwanda a "Coalition"? Desert storm had more. PLUS France, Germany, Russia, they were ALL with us in Desert Storm. Now they are disgusted cause our "leader" went in like a Redneck in heat.

Reply #30 October 6, 2004 10:12 AM from

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On another note.....

Desert Storm cost the taxpayers $5b TOTAL, that's a fact. This clusterfrack is costing the taxpayers $200b and CLIMBING, that is also a fact. Junior wanted to walk in daddy's footsteps, well he fell face first in the shithole that was created there.

Reply #31 October 6, 2004 10:35 AM from

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BradleyGunner - please go elsewhere to spew DU talking points.

Reply #32 October 6, 2004 12:38 PM from

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Drmiler

On the tax and economy side, election of Kerry will stop making the tax cuts for the upper income permanent. We ca not afford this and that is the bottom line. Since the Republican control of Congress will not allow Kerry to spend the money we do not give to the wealthy on new programs, we can help balance the budget.

The next time we get ready to attack someone we will have a president that will look at the advice of his mlitary and not go off half cocked.

Kerry will propose closing the loop holes that big corporations have (the Bush supporters) to help balance our budget. If the Republicans in Congress continue the give away program to big business, Kerry will put pressure on the congress with the public support.

These are a few examples of HOW things will improve with as split in the power by electing Kerry!

Reply #33 October 6, 2004 12:45 PM from

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Excuse me? It's in writing dude. Has nothing to do with DU or your perception of facts. I SERVED in the first one, we had the "exit plan". Bush Sr. knew that to go any farther north would mire his plan, that is why it cost less. Junior had nor has now an exit plan, so we are stuck in a quagmire of festering hate towards my friends and fellow soldiers.

Reply #34 October 6, 2004 12:56 PM from

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BradleyGunner, that has nothing to do with the VP debate, which is what this article is about. People have the right to choose what is said on their article and to request that it stays on topic.

Reply #35 October 6, 2004 1:55 PM from

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Everybody keeps harping about medicare and how it's a mess and what can be done to fix it. The problem is there is nothing we can do to fix it. The baby boomer generation is heading into retirement and they they are the least healthy of any other generation at that stage of their lives. Both parties are responsible for overspending and never looking to the future you can't put blame on just one party.
We simply can't afford to have such a massive population heading into retirement. We don't have enough of a population to support them. None of the parties have a solution to this problem and when they tell us they do it's simply a lie to get elected. Right now one out of every six people are employed in the medical industry. The only job of the medical industry to treat the symptoms not the cause. Simpy put we are spoiled and have no sense of control. We don't have the sense to try and lead a healthier lifestyle since it involves sacrificing certain things. We have to exercise, eat better, forget about grabbing that burger ever lunch hour. And when we get sick we expect a miracle sure to make us better. That just doesn't happen.
Until we start making drastic changes in how we live no amount of money is going to help get medicare out the the mess it's in.

Reply #36 October 6, 2004 2:32 PM from

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PLUS France, Germany, Russia, they were ALL with us in Desert Storm.

Germany and Russia were not members of the first coalition in Desert Storm, got something loose in the connection Gunner?

Link to a breakdown of forces during Desert Storm.

- GX

Reply #37 October 6, 2004 2:38 PM from

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To Sheep

We need to make changes in Social Security which is the other funding problem from the Baby Boomers. Increase the retirement age, and means test the benefits. If that is not enough, tax all earnerd income for Social Security like the Medicare tax. For Medicare we need to do more to help lower the rate if increase in health care costs. We can not extend benefits to non US Citizens. We will also need general fund money and the way to have general fund money available to repay the National Debt. That will reduce the interest required on the debt. By piling debt upon debt dince 1980 we have dug a hole for America and have both the sky high interest on the debt as well as the impact of the Baby Boomers to deal with.

The Bush policies have no chance of balancing the budget much less repaying it. Under his tax and fiscal policy, we will never reduce the debt and the interest that must be paid.

Reply #38 October 6, 2004 3:32 PM from

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They were "with us" in support if not physically there. Just because I say "with us" does not mean combat wise. Support is the key term here.

Reply #39 October 6, 2004 5:55 PM from

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On the tax and economy side, election of Kerry will stop making the tax cuts for the upper income permanent. We ca not afford this and that is the bottom line. Since the Republican control of Congress will not allow Kerry to spend the money we do not give to the wealthy on new programs, we can help balance the budget

Here is a nice little tidbit from the 108th Congress:

11-Mar S.Con.Res. 95 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2803 Rejected Lincoln Amdt. No. 2803; To provide $60 billion over five years for greater health security for working Americans and their families through a combination of public and private efforts to expand quality, affordable health insurance coverage and cut health care costs by eliminating certain tax loopholes.

11-Mar S.Con.Res. 95 On the Amendment S.Amdt. 2804 Rejected Byrd Amdt. No. 2804; To provide responsible restraints on discretionary funding while providing adequate resources for education, veterans, homeland security, and other critical domestic priorities and fully offsetting the cost by closing corporate tax loopholes, improving tax enforcement and reducing tax breaks for certain individuals.

In writing, rejected BOTH cause it would hit "Big Buisness" right in the pocketbook. Link: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_108_2.htm

Reply #40 October 6, 2004 5:58 PM from

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They were "with us" in support if not physically there. Just because I say "with us" does not mean combat wise. Support is the key term here

Sorry but I am requiring evidence on this one that says specfically that Russia or Germany 'supported us' during Desert Storm. I can buy into the idea that Germany did, but Russia, was the Cold War a hoax or something?

- GX

Reply #41 October 6, 2004 6:33 PM from

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Sorry but I am requiring evidence on this one that says specfically that Russia or Germany 'supported us' during Desert Storm. I can buy into the idea that Germany did, but Russia, was the Cold War a hoax or something?

Well let's see. Russia itself is part of the UN. Russia did not VETO if I recall correctly, which would mean they "do NOT support" us.

Reply #42 October 6, 2004 6:40 PM from

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Well let's see. Russia itself is part of the UN. Russia did not VETO if I recall correctly, which would mean they "do NOT support" us.

Well China did not veto us either did they, but did they support us during Desert Storm? So a simple vote or veto is equal to support is that what you are saying?

I am talking support whether monetary or personnel or supplies, do you think a vote is equal to that?

- GX
"I have no answers to your questions, but I can question your demands." - Motto Inspired by Laibach's WAT

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Reply #46 November 5, 2004 9:33 PM from

PolMach Forums Top

Can you guys STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS GETTING REALLY ANNOYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!