Would you stand by a cheater?

Having seen the latest mea culpa from another in a long line of politicians and prominent figures that were caught cheating on their spouse, I have to ask just what the spouses are doing standing by these cretons?!

Better yet, I have to ask, would you or your own spouse (if you have one) stand by someone when you know they've cheated?

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Could you make your family (children, parents, other relatives) go through the same thing -- stand by and show support to someone that was caught cheating on you and them?

I'll give my own thoughts in detail later.  For now the floor is all yours readers.

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Been watching the Daily Show or Colbert Report lately. :D

Heh, heh.


As for standing around the cheating spouse on NATIONAL TELEVISION...no. I would not submit myself to the indignity.

~Zoo
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Depends.

Each case is unique.

If my husband was paying to have sex with a twenty-two year old, I'd have to get some answers before I made a decision.

Some off the top of my head.

What went wrong with our sex life?  (Which would include looking into what went wrong with the intimacy in our marriage.)

How did I contribute to this?  Was I too busy?  Not interested in sex?  (No matter the answer I would not be owning his cheating.)

Do I even care if he has sex with someone else?  (Hey some people share.  Maybe she was relieved to have him out of her bed, and the angst we see on national tv is more from his public embarrassment.  Maybe she isn't sticking by her man so much as honoring the deal which allowed him to do it.)  I mean how do you not miss $80,000?  She knew SOMETHING.

I don't think you can look at anyone's marriage and assign your expectations of what it should be.  If she stays, she has her reasons, and I bet to hear her tell it, they'd be good ones.

Back to the question.  Would I stand by my man?

Probably.

He's human.  He makes mistakes.  Depends on on whether he was sorry about his problem, or just paid lip service to it.

Maybe its selfish, but I love him and our lives together too much to just piss it away because he has some issues, okay, a WHOLE SUBSCRIPTION. hahaha 

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Tova7 if you don't mind, the points you raise are what I was sort of getting at with my questions, and it leads me to follow-up more with the question of why you feel you'd be asking yourself those questions?  I'm not so much trying to pick on you individual, but am wondering why there seem to be many females that would question themselves rather than question the cheater?!

Is there really that much self doubt out there?  That many insecure individuals?  That many people that feel that they caused the cheater to cheat instead of doing what is right in my mind: assuming that the cheating lout is a cheating lout and was destined to cheat all along, not because of anything their spouse did, but because they couldn't control their own selves and don't have the common decency to treat others with respect.

I mean no disrespect here to you Tova7, or to anyone else with similar issues and questions, but I find it fascinating that someone would think they might have caused someone else to do something (as in pushed them away or towards cheating, etc.) when in reality there's probably not much that they did or could do that would really change the situation.

I agree with your comments about people being human and that they will make mistakes, but some mistakes are easier than others to accept.

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ha! 

I'd probably tell my husband, you made your bed without me.....now lie in it without ME!  

Really!  I'd be very very hurt and upset that I wouldn't be able to stand next to him like she's doing. To me, it would belike  saying I support him in his adultery and law breaking.   Imagine, a Govenor of a State breaking laws he's telling others to abide by.  A shame. 

I'm not saying I'd NOT forgive him eventually, but if he made this decision to carry on without me then he needs to pay his consequences alone as well. He needs to make ammends.   I could not stand at the podium next to him like she did.  He should have been there alone.

 I never understood Hillary either.  Unless, as Tova, says there is an understanding going on between the two.  Maybe they have a "just don't get caught" agreement?   In that case, both are responsible, in my opinion. 

 

 

 

 

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I stayed with my husband after he was unfaithful to me.  It's a completely different situation when you live it than when you are on the outside looking in.  At least, I didn't have to share my sad situation with the entire country.  I just think that looking at the big picture, I still loved him, I still wanted us to be a family and I thought it was over and wouldn't happen again.  It's not as easy to just walk away as some people think it would be. 

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Is there really that much self doubt out there? That many insecure individuals? That many people that feel that they caused the cheater to cheat instead of doing what is right in my mind: assuming that the cheating lout is a cheating lout and was destined to cheat all along, not because of anything their spouse did, but because they couldn't control their own selves and don't have the common decency to treat others with respect.

Depends on how you look at adultery.  Does it happen in a vacuum?

I see it as the volcano eruption.  Something everyone focuses on because of the destructive power it wields.  But what goes on under the surface before that blast?  That's where the real issues are...and that involves BOTH spouses.

I mean no disrespect here to you Tova, or to anyone else with similar issues and questions, but I find it fascinating that someone would think they might have caused someone else to do something (as in pushed them away or to wards cheating, etc.) when in reality there's probably not much that they did or could do that would really change the situation

That's why I said it has to be looked at on an individual case basis.  If a man goes to another woman to meet needs he can't get met at home...then yes, some of the problem is with the wife.

I can't make my husband have an affair.  That last step is only his to make.  But I can help make it seem "the lesser of two evils."  Those being, he gets a little on the side keeping family together, or divorce.

How?  Well every man is different.  What if I decided no more sex, ever.  I was just tired of it.

He has two choices.  Live with it and maintain our family.  Divorce me and split it up.  Or he could get some on the side and if I never know....

But the whole point is something was wrong with the marriage long before he was at the deciding point.

I think in our society women focus on keeping the family together so are more likely to stay with a man who cheated.  I read some statistics in college about this, and men whose wives cheated usually walk.  To hell with the kids and working things out.  He's Uta there.

Maybe its a gender thing.

Personally, I married a good and honorable man.  If he cheats on me, you can bet your butt I will do some serious soul searching and look at how I may or may not have pushed him toward it.

If he wanted me to forgive him, I would.  Because he is a good and honorable man..and to have him do something he normally abhors....well sampan ain't right in wonderland.

 

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I stayed with my husband after he was unfaithful to me. It's a completely different situation when you live it than when you are on the outside looking in.

It's not a situation I'm unfamiliar with here (not that you are saying it is, just confirming I have my own experiences with such a situation).

First, personally (uh, oh, Jythier will be here breakin' my balls on that word again soon), my wife was carrying on what at the very least was an emotional affair, if not a physical affair, some years ago.  While she said that nothing physical ever happened, there was definitely more than a few hints that something was happening, including e-mails and other communications.

Second, I watched my parents nearly break up over my father's affair with a 'groupie' type individual that loved men in uniform (law enforcement type).  My mother found out about it and wanted to inflict serious physical harm upon that individual, upon my father, and later upon herself (she did try to commit suicide over it).  She forced a confession of all transgressions and found out about an earlier affair that only served to make her more upset.

In my own case, with my wife, she perhaps could claim to have had reasons to be seeking emotional and physical contact outside the marriage, but then again she really didn't have that much justification to go elsewhere.  She was unhappy at not getting what she felt was enough attention from me, but it was more a case of her wanting 'change' in my behavior rather than realizing what she had all along.  I've never strayed, never not been a good provider, and never not been a good and loving father to my children or a good and loving husband to her, but she wanted attention.  Me, me, me.  Meanwhile, perhaps, I had grown tired of not getting attention from her, and her always tending to herself and the children despite their advancing ages, and had almost always devoted attention to other hobbies to fill my free time figuring that when she wanted attention and had time for me she'd let me know.  Instead of letting me know by coming to me, she opted to start looking elsewhere apparently to see if I would notice.

I don't claim not to have been upset and hurt with the situation with my wife.  When things came to a head I was really disappointed and still have doubts about how truthful my wife is when she claims nothing happened.  Regardless, we stayed together and have worked at being more attentive and more communicative about what is going on with both of us.

Back to my parent's sitaution, my parents stayed together, no physical harm came to the 'whore' that was my father's enabler, and thanks to some counseling my mother came to realize that perhaps she had been a bit too domineering with my father and hadn't paid attention to what he might want rather than just always deciding for him.  She'd long had family members wondering why he put up with her own behavior and got more than a few 'you've been driving him away for years' type comments from friends and relatives, so it became apparent to her that yes she did need to address things for herself first.

 

To get back to the original questions raised above though, airing all of this in news conferences, standing there and being humiliated publicly, etc., just seems so wrong to me.  Why do it at all?

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To get back to the original questions raised above though, airing all of this in news conferences, standing there and being humiliated publicly, etc., just seems so wrong to me. Why do it at all?

First Terp.  I am sorry you have experience with this.

As you saw in both of your family situations, there was more to the story.  The affair was the attention getting eruption.

Ouch.

As for the gov's wife.  I don't know.  Maybe she was still in shock?

I love my husband enough to give him support (publically and privately) when he screws up.  I'm his friend too.

Yeah that guy screwed up BIG TIME.  But maybe he was scared about facing the public, so scared his best friend couldn't let him go into the lion's den alone.

I've read about women who help their husbands get over their "love" of a mistress by listening to him talk about her, holding him when he cries from missing her, etc.  (I admit I probably couldn't do this, its just not in me.  But I'd refer him to a competent grief counselor.)

Maybe its the same mind set?

 

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But maybe he was scared about facing the public, so scared his best friend couldn't let him go into the lion's den alone. I've read about women who help their husbands get over their "love" of a mistress by listening to him talk about her, holding him when he cries from missing her, etc. (I admit I probably couldn't do this, its just not in me. But I'd refer him to a competent grief counselor.)
Maybe its the same mind set?


He was bangin' whores for about decade(not to mention the $80,000 he spent on them). If someone screwed around on my oblivious ass for almost 10 years I'd be pissed, not only at my spouse, but myself for not picking up on it...you know, at some point within the decade.

~Zoo
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First Terp. I am sorry you have experience with this.


Me also.

personally


Nope, good usage - talked about something personal and didn't draw an across the board requirement for all people to do what you think is right. Well done!
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Tova7 if you don't mind, the points you raise are what I was sort of getting at with my questions, and it leads me to follow-up more with the question of why you feel you'd be asking yourself those questions? I'm not so much trying to pick on you individual, but am wondering why there seem to be many females that would question themselves rather than question the cheater?!

Okay, I'll be the bad guy.

If my wife lost interest in sex, was no longer intersted in me physically, I would almost certainly seek alternatives.

I don't think the situation is as straight forward as one might think. I see a lot of relationships where I work in action and I can tell you that each one is unique and has its own mechanics.

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He was bangin' whores for about decade(not to mention the $80,000 he spent on them)


Zoo...the woman looks smart. I just can't wrap my mind around the fact she "didn't know." I think she probably did but her payoff (whatever it was) was worth more.

If my wife lost interest in sex, was no longer intersted in me physically, I would almost certainly seek alternatives


Exactly. I don't believe most married men get up in the morning and say, "WHOA think I'll cheat on my wife today." It's usually a process of marital issues. It has to be. How many people do you know who say on their wedding day, "Can't wait to cheat!"

So what happens between wedding day and affair? I submit it isn't always just the cheater's fault, though the cheater has to own taking that last step.

If my husband cheats, I want to know what I did to push him that way.

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Would you stand by a cheater?


I would have said no, but that's not what I did. (I've never been married, but I have been cheated on.) When it came down to it, I just wanted to work things out and move forward.

As for the public humiliation, news conference etc. angle, I don't know. As with the cheating, it's really impossible to say without living through it and being there in the moment. I can see still wanting to be supportive of the person I loved in what they were going through, even while they were putting me through something. When it comes to my mate, I have a philosophy of, "I may not agree with you, but I'm going to support you and stand beside you." But again, it's kinda impossible to say without being there.