Very true, but one must also have some capacity for an open mind. Consideration is key. Believing something without questioning is just as bad as casting off something without consideration.




Nothing...though it makes for a good movie.

~Zoo

Got any evidence to prove your point?

I was reading this article on the same subject coicidently this morning.

http://jonesview.wordpress.com/2008/03/09/the-religion-of-global-warming/

 

And I thought you where more intelligent than this Draginol, so now your an expert on weather and climate control. We both have children, and I would say we both love them, so even if you are not 100% sure of this event are you willing to leave it to your children to find out for sure, I'm not, further more people who ignor the facts and theories delievered by many of the world's best scientists, in mind are very selfish people. As for your pronouncement that the last two years were cooler is complete bullshit, take Europe for instance longest and hottest weather in history with 35,000 dead as a result, dosen't sound to cool to me. Even in Australia we have experienced two years of extrem heat. I could sit here and explain how GW works, but I don't think that you really care, but I will add that for the first time in the last 10 thousand years, the permafrost in Alaska and Canada is melting, this only occures when tempratures rise, of course once this occurs, the flow on effect is that the methan trapped in the permafrost is released, methan is a far worse agent of warming than CO2, so one causes the other, then the whole process increases. If you are not concerned Drag. why the green home?

Chutzpa, thy name is thee.

I have no intention of trying to change you views Dr Guy, as there are many more than just you that would rather shitc Global warming, the reality is that people like you always wait until it's too late, when you have proof in front of you that is undeniable, and then it's too late. Like most people you would rather shove your head in the sand and hope when you pull it out all is well, well the reality is there GW is no longer just a theory, its a reality, the proof is everywhere, the debate we then have did man create this or is it a cycle. Firstly there are no cycles, the last GW event was cause by Volcanic activity, appro 10,000 yrs ago, this contributed to an increase in tempreture, which in turn caused the melting of perma frost and heating of oceans, both resulting in the release of massive amounts of methane into to Atmosphere, this heating of the earth lasted until the was an eruption from a super volcano like the one in yellowstone national park, the ash from this blanketed the earth and cooled temperature. This has been proven by geologists.

This time even with the varibility of the Sun's activity there would be little variation in temperature, without some form of gas that would cause an increase in the storage of heat in the atmosphere, this gas is CO2, and as there are no major events that could have produced this level of CO2 in the atmosphere over the last 200 years, you would have to look at other sources.

Mankind's levels of co2 emmissions have grown at an alarming rate during this period, especially the last two decades, since the growth of the Chinese and Indian economies in particular, so to make these statements about GW without the studies of the earth covering many thousands years then I would say good on you guys on what do these people base this on, however by understanding the earth and now being able to study it with this knowledge, I am confident that the many, many scientists who have worked in this area are on the mark. Not because of a couple of temperature charts, but the combined work of many respected and learned people, who know a shitload more about temperature and cilmatology than either you or Brad.

As for Kyoto, it seems you guys are out in the cold on this one now, and there is a lot more to Kyoto thn just carbon trading, and taxing countries that refuse to sign up which one day you may learn about if you ever get a President with a spine, who has the balls to stand up and be counted.

You forget this is a global problem, and the US is on its own at this point in time, what that means is that eventually the rest of the world will get sick of the advantage you will have by not having Carbon Trading and emmisions reduction schemes, and they will tax what you export, Personally I would be worried, because you have no say.

So Gid when you get your head out of the sand lets hope your arse isn't fried.

Good to see you finally did get back to MAN made GW. And you are wrong about he cycles. Even scientist do not have the audacity to claim that. They can see large swings based upon fossilized evidence, but they cannot see minor swings since they have only been recording temperatures accurately for the past 120 years. So your data is false.

But again, you decide those you cannot convert, you must then denigrate. But that is what we have come to expect from the new disciples of the new religion. This has nothing to do with the head in the sand, but rather the building that stands (or does not if you have your way).

Your response just reeks of "holier than thou" condemnation of all who do not agree with you. There is no room for debate. You know God's truth, and the rest of us are mere heretics.

You will never convert a Muslim to Christianity that way, nor win a debate. For you are not debating, just proselytizing (sp).

The truth is your religion cannot stand up to scientific scrutiny. But then no religion can. The difference is most do not try. The Gospel according to ALgore does try, and of course fails.

I am happy to be a zealot if the debat stays alive, as without the zealots nothing is achieved, my hope is that enough will be done before it is too late, or better still I am wrong, but if I am not I would like to be able to look my kids in the face and tell them that at least I tried,  by giving support to the attempts to lower emmissions of CO2.

My data is not false, rather it has come from research that I used to convience myself of the problems at hand.

In regard to swings the swing required to cause the GW of 10,000 years ago was minor, as only a minor swing was required, and in fact found, which is why the search had to go further, till it was discovered the connection with methane.

The reality is the planet is warming, we are producing to much CO2, and I for one am happy to accept the science behind why tis is happening, as I am happy to accept the fact that it is the result of mans pollution. Some people are happy to wait and see, hopefully I and many others are wrong, in the mean time we will have to wait and see.

Another reality is that most countries have signed onto Kyoto, no myth there, and all I have said above on this is reality, so whether you agree or not, you will be affected by what these countries decide whether you agree or not.

I do not believe I have denigrated you or anyone else, disagreed, made the observation that you put your head in the sand, which I believe you are doing, nor am I holier than thou, I do not expect all who read to agree with me, nor do I expect it, but I do believe in what I am saying, and have no intention of deviating from that path.

Island Dog, a Hurricane is a storm, and if caring about the future of our planet makes me a zealot, then so be it. It seems to me the minute that someone disagrees with the concensious they are zealots, sorry for upsetting you happy little world.

You just did again. You cannot tolerate debate, so you must denigrate the opposition. Head in sand. A good euphamism for close minded fool. Holier than thou:



Tried to do what? You imply that you are trying to do good, but if you are working from a false premise, you are not doing good, and may very well be doing a lot of harm. Yet in yoru religion, you cannot see that possibility.

That is why you scare me. You are like the others that no matter what the data is (and you cannot quote any as all of yours has come from propaganda, and not empirical research), you will modify your analysis to fit the data while maintaining the conclusion.

That is not science,that is religion. And yours is hardly devinely inspired, but definitely man made. And as such fatally flawed.

You cannot even comprehend the potential destruction of your mind set. The only consolation is that if you are wrong, and yet you still win the day, your children will not be around to vilify you as they will have died when you tore down the building.

Another red herring. The pollution problem has been linked to global warming to get more traction - and to label the skeptics as wanting to pollute the planet. Neither of which holds water. I am all for a clean environment. Within reason. My example (and a good one) is when we try to clean up mercuty from the environment. We can get 99% of it out of the environment with simple and relatively cheap measures. And should. Getting that last 1% however is very problematic. And cost prohibitive. First due to the fact that it is so much harder to locate and isolate, and second because mercury is a naturally occuring pollutant that nature pollutes itself with.

Cleaning up the environment is good. Creating a pristine and pure environment (that has never existed in the history of this planet) is not. It wastes money on a pipe dream.