Moderate you are not!! Independent, I don't think so!!

How extremes of both the right and left toss around the term Moderate and Independent to add credibility to their statements

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First I will start of with Webster's Online Dictionary Definitions of the word Moderate and Independent

Main Entry: 1 mod·er·ate
Pronunciation: 'mä-d(&-)r&t
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin moderatus, from past participle of moderare to moderate; akin to Latin modus measure
1 a : avoiding extremes of behavior or expression : observing reasonable limits (a moderate drinker) b : CALM, TEMPERATE
2 a : tending toward the mean or average amount or dimension b : having average or less than average quality : MEDIOCRE
3 : professing or characterized by political or social beliefs that are not extreme
4 : limited in scope or effect
5 : not expensive : reasonable or low in price
6 of a color : of medium lightness and medium chroma

Main Entry: 1 in·de·pen·dent
Pronunciation: "in-d&-'pen-d&nt
Function: adjective
1 : not dependent: as a (1) : not subject to control by others : SELF-GOVERNING (2) : not affiliated with a larger controlling unit b (1) : not requiring or relying on something else : not contingent (an independent conclusion) (2) : not looking to others for one's opinions or for guidance in conduct (3) : not bound by or committed to a political party c (1) : not requiring or relying on others (as for care or livelihood)
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Reply #1 from PolMach Forums Top
Good stuff, I agree wholeheartedly, you score an insightful.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Damn I thought those wolves in sheep's clothing would pop and comment and defend themselves at the same time showing their true colors. Oh well.

- GX
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
I can think of a couple people at whom you might be directing this.

At any rate, I generally agree with what you have to say. However, I think you can be a moderate with a slight lean towards a candidate's character, not their party.

-A.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
At any rate, I generally agree with what you have to say. However, I think you can be a moderate with a slight lean towards a candidate's character, not their party.


True, and I have nothing wrong with that, what I have wrong is people who claim they are ideologically middle when they are clearly one polar side that is nowhere near the middle.

- GX
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
I consider myself an independent despite having very strong views on a wide range of issues.

I'm VERY pro-business, anti-welfare and pro war in Iraq. These are conservative views.

I'm also militantly pro-choice, support affirmative action to varying degrees, pro gay civil unions, anti-amendment to stop gay marriage, and have been involved with the ACLU on a lawsuit (on their side).

But I get people emailing me claiming I'm a far right wing nut (and sometines called a liberal but not as often).

I pick and choose my views. On many issues I consider myself a conservative overall. So I would say I'm nominally aconservative if I had to pick between the two.

But I can say I'm an independent - sometimes I vote for Republicans and sometimes I don't. I've voted for Democrats (I've voted for Democratic governors every time but once) as well as independents.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Another insightful without unseemly begging. Good stuff.
BTW: What is ENGSOC? English sons of Canada?
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
A fair rant, and one I have to take to heart as I find myself tilting out of the comfort zone of the middle...
I'll take a stab at: ENGland Strategic Operational Command? (j/k)
Reply #8 from PolMach Forums Top
ENGSOC, English Socialism Party from George Orwell's (Eric Blair) 1984 Novel.

Turns out I been putting it wrong, oh well I should read the book again it has been over 5 years since I last read it.

Newspeak word of the day:

Ingsoc - English Socialism. More properly described by Goldstein as Oligarchical Collectivism. The political system described by Orwell closely resembles that of Stalinism. Or to put it a better way, Ingsoc seems to be nothing more than Stalinism run amok. Ingsoc is perhaps Orwell's prediction of what the Stalinism would be like after Stalin's death. But in truth, many of the Machiavellian features of Ingsoc can be found in all modern political systems.

- GX, un-proud member of INGSOC