Certainly you shouldn't hesitate to make suggestions or voice concerns about anything you don't agree with. How old your hands are have no bearing on the value of your opinion. No MVL members opinion is any more valid or valuable than any other MVL member.

But basically this point was the subject of a league wide vote in which the suggestion you're making was one of the listed options (specifically #3). See the MVL Tiebreak Criteria Vote thread at the Core.

I do probably need to point out that the choice that was selected by the vote (#4) doesn't explictily mention the case of what is done if both speed and score were tied but suffice to say there was significant discussion about this very issue and it was explictly stated elsewhere that this option would leave items tied by both speed and score with each receiving the full value of the bonus. It could be stated that no one honestly believed that such an occurance would ever happen but it was discussed and this is how the rule is written up in the rules thread.

Clearly we can revisit this if necessary, though probably the rules thread is the better place to do it if you still feel strongly about it. Certainly anyone is free to suggest anything they want but per our newly ratified voting rules someone would need to propose an alternative to the current rule and make a motion that would need to be seconded by two other MVL members before it could be brought to a vote.

I'm sure if there are others that agree with you then they will mention their support, but I prefer the idea that everyone that deserves a bonus gets the same bonus.

Your proposal is similar to the more standard policy of awarding 3, 2 and 1 points for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. We initially had such a scheme but felt that was too much emphasis on individuals as opposed to teams.

I would tend to hope that you don't jump off a pier because of this except that it might actually be fun. But what exactly is a "pleasure" pier, I'm curious?

By no means feel that you can't speak up cuz yer "new" Califdude; I don't want ANY one to feel like that.

There are a few things to cover here though. One, is that before we adopted the Top 4 only we actually had a round, I believe Round 5, that had 7 players tie for a BP. While we congratulated everyone on their accomplishment, when you only have 28 active players giving out a BP to 25% of the League seemed a bit superfluous. Thus ties broke by speed or score.

Secondly, there was actually only one tie in the last round and that was FireBender and Elwood011. What gave the appearance of ties is the total Team points ended up being tied after being totaled. Each team received its points from various aspects of the scoring system and yet ended up being balanced in the end. This to me, shows two things. One, how balanced the system of current BPs is, it means that no one strategy is inherently "better" than another and that is a good thing in my opinion, and stops any one team from completely dominating unfairly. Secondly, that if we want to prevent team ties we need to think of a way to differentiate once the totals are added up. I have an idea but I need to flesh out the details. I'll post something in the Rules thread later.

I'm terrible sorry everyone, but I mis-read the initial post, thought the number of players was up to each player and played the game I submitted with one player rather than 4, so that is not a qualifying game. Again, I apologize to everyone, and please dis-regard that game.

Thanks for letting us know JustinSane, we rely on the honesty of our fellow players to maintain the integrity of the League.

Now get back out there and win one for the Villainy :CONGRAT:

KzintiPatriarch, please note that the first posted game by Justin is to be disregarded as an invalid game.



As a side note, generally the first game posted to the MVL is considered the Official game no matter what. This normally would mean that Justin's game, while invalid, would prevent him from posting a new game. However, as we have allowed new players to repost a game when they have posted out of haste or ignorance of the rules, and this being Justin's first round, I extended the same courtesy. That being said, with Justin being a fellow team member, and if anyone thinks favoritism is being shown, let me know and I'll gladly let FB make a ruling in my stead.

Certainly I see no issue with this ruling.

However I'm not sure that if this happened to a player that didn't happen to be new that we should count the game as invalid. If I recall correctly there have been a few cases where some minor error in the correct settings have been made as an honest mistake and we've simply ignored the discrepancy.

We should probably have a rule in this regard, but personally I think that it would be rather harsh to say that someone's game is invalid simply because they made an honest mistake and then not allow them to submit a replacement.

Again just my personal opinion, but I would be fine with either the submission being final and the game being valid or the game being invalid but they can submit another in it's place. I don't think penalizing someone for an honest mistake by invalidating their game *and* not allowing them to make another submission in it's place really encourages people to abide by the honor system.

complete agreement. Though I would really look on a case by case basis. An honest mistake and obvious abuse are two different things. In the case of abuse, an invalid post would be final. Though that person would probably be asked to leave the MVL too so I spose its all rather moot.

Agreed.

As far as the obvious abuse, that's a bridge that I'm sure we all hope to never cross.

Alright, I just finished a game with the correct settings. Since my score was higher this time (12,180) and no one has submitted since then (so no difference in submission order) I propose we keep the first game so that I don't benefit from my mistake.

The game stats were 1 year 12,180 submission date 2/29/2008 10:19:03 on JustinSane5 character.

since Justin is on my team, I'm gonna have to leave this one for others to decide.

The way i see it the game originally submitted by Justinsane did not conform to the MVL settings for this round, so that game is a non issue. It would be like me posting the details of a giga abundant all in the league thread..it's irrelevant.

I see no reason why Justinsane cannot post a game since he has not posted a game that meets the round requirements. I see no advantage to himself or disadvantage to others.

My two cents.

Um...I'm wondering if there is ...um...a typo here, in that a time stamp of 2/19 is about ten days before the specs for Round 7 were posted on...um... 2/29.

i've checked it, it is just a typo

I agree with Neilo, an invalid game is the same as no submission at all. Justinsane's valid game is all that counts.

For M: There are pleasure piers set up for restaurants and retail fish markets, souvenir shops, kids, fishing off the pier, tourists etc. with parking and safety rails. There are commercial piers set up for unloading fish, loading ice and bait and nets, truck traffic and fish processing sheds...not the best place for Aunt Verna and her two kids from Dubuque.

Me Too.

Another thing to point out, paticularly now with the forums still having issues. Please *always* mention your character name because it's difficult to figure this out since we can no longer get to your Metaverse character profile from your user profile.

If anyone has figured out a good way to do this please let me know.

Opps. Answered my own question.

If you search in the metaverse under forum stats you search by user name but when you click on it you get their metaverse character page. Of course you still need to figure out which of his three characters he posted the game under but that pretty much gets you there.

However still please include your MV character name when making a submission.

Sorry again for the trouble everyone. And yes, 2/19 was a typo, should have been 2/29. Thank you to everyone for taking time to help get this straightened out. I'll be a lot more vigilant in the future to make sure I don't mis-read (or mis-type). Triple checking for me from here on out.

Agreed. Just count the one that conforms to the settings. The Crusaders are not afraid of a bigger challenge.

I agree. JustInsane's game has been entered into my scoresheet.

Sentient species taste better...

Thank you very much everyone! I really appreciate how sporting you've all been on this mess I made. I'd have joined a while ago if I knew how great this league was. Better late than never I suppose.

From the Broadway show "Ragtime": "Go out and tell your story, let it echo far and wide. Make them hear you, make them hear you."

And indeed, better late then never, we're glad to have ya. :CONGRAT:

My submission for Team C.

Char: 4 20
Years: 2
Race: Altarian
Type: Beyond Mortality
Points: 14210
Difficulty: Suicidal
Submission Date: 3/2/2008 8:20:57 PM

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4 20

Man I'm having problems with this one. I've already tried it 5 times... I'm clearly doing something wrong. No tech trading just kills.

~ Wyndstar

I'm glad I'm not the only one, I've tried three times so far. It's a toughie .

That's terribly surprising.. I'm guessing you (Wyndstar) just weren't happy with your scores/times on those games? In my game, I basically used a modified version of the fast tech victory strategy you outlined for the Altarians and did reasonably well by my standards. I was sure that you would come up with a 30,000 point 0 year. Actually, I'm still sure you will.

HaHa I too am having a hard time, my fourth try.