Thanks, Dys. 

I have a game in progress at home that might do that.  Or I could replay the one above.  This was on one attempt and I'm pretty sure I can do better.

Nice job Motti!

I had a huge all-abundant map where I could have done a ZYW, but I didnt do a score test to see what it would have been.  Maybe on my next giga-abundant I'll see what I can get.

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Hrm, a record shattering score......with DA 2.01. 

Yep, DA 2.01.  Now there's no reason to hold on to the old 1.80g. Other than the computer with that doesn't have Impulse yet.  I'll be moving to Impulse and 2.01 on that one after an ongoing game.  It's probably not a good idea to start a game in 1.80g and finish it with 2.01.

I've found 1.80g and 2.01 to be identical as far as gameplay goes.  The only difference that I can find is the spying.  Since that's a little less than a minor part of the game for me, it's essentially identical.

I've had only mindless busy work to do here this afternoon, so I had some time to think about your score Motti, and I have an idea of what you might have done.  If you would answer one question...did the two you've done so far take about 2 or 3x longer to play, than the ZYWs as we've been doing them for the last few months?  That will give me an clue if my theory is correct.

Thanks.

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Called it on page 26.  (Although I didn't call a ~200k!)

Very nice work, Motti.

With my experimenting tonight, I did figure out a way to increase my ZYW scores by about 5%.  Certainly it's not whatever Motti is doing though!   I eliminated some possibilities, so I only really have one theory left, which is my original one, and which I alluded to in my previous post.

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Told ya i was hearing sounds of a dam breaking, and smelling a change in the air.

Well done Motti. You will be joined very soon. Latest game is coming along nicely. And fast too.

Yes, it takes longer than the common style ZYW. 

I replayed that game and got exactly the same score.  I tried twice this morning and didn't do any better either.  The one I thought would beat it only drew 165k.  My next attempt was 195k and the game playing part of my brain is fried.

I think 200k+ can be done, but it won't be easy.

Here's an almost identical one in 1.80g.  No real difference, so don't be concerned about upgrading.  In fact, since I don't have any games going for my main character, I'll likely upgrade to Impulse and 2.x today.

Not to devalue anything you've done, Motti, but in that case we may need a new category for it.  I was tempted to make this comment earlier, but I was waiting for confirmation that it really isn't your typical ZYW (if any of the games in this thread can be called typical).

It'd also be interesting if there were competition in the tiny maps again...

I can't disagree more.  ZYW stands for Zero Year Win.  That's a win in the year "0".  It is what it is, regardless of your preconceptions.  There are several ways of doing one of these. 

I did one in Dread Lords very early in the lineup, as did a few others.  This is simply a refinement of those early games.  PI methods have been used since the very beginning. If anything, this is more of a classical style ZYW than the "common type".

Although - You do have me wondering what could be done on a tiny map with PI.

Agreed. ZYW under any circumstances is still a win in year 0. That's all that required. And not that i am managing motti's scores, but using the same method i just recorded a win that was not that much slower than some of the early May ZYW's on tiny's.

Still not nailing it Motti....Dammit.

That's not what I meant.

We have classical tinies, we have gigantics; how does this fall into one category or the other?

I didn't say it didn't count.

It's a gigantic. Whats different?

Just cause its a bigger score doesnt mean it should be given it's own status. It's a ZYW on a gigantic.

Whats the score matter?

I really don't think I need to answer that, Neilo.

And what the hell is with everyone being so pissy today?

Man, even the forums are being pissy.  I lost my edit and quote buttons and had to clear the cache to get them back.

the reason, part of it anyway, they don't want a new category is because for a tyrannt, the glory isn't in the achievement, but in taking the prestige from someone else

however, beyond that i personally don't even see the reason for keeping a "classic" list as opposed to a new one. everyone uses at least slightly different methods in their ZYWs, as in their games in general. drawing the line here seems better than breaking down high scores by individual player.

As far as I know Sole Soul is one person.   I can see it both ways, so I'm abivalent on the matter.  For me its the fun of the competition that is the most important!

I do agree with SS on one thing....lots of crankiness around here lately.

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the "they" i was talking about was neilo and motti. so perhaps i should've said 'we', since we're in the same empire and i generally support them, regardless of my own stake in things.

Whoops, I misread that post, hehe.

The reason for the classic list is that it's on a tiny map, and so the parameters under which you play are significantly different in a number of important ways.  Definitely worthy of a separate category for tiny vs gigantic.

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ZYDeth works on Tiny as well. 

Congrats Motti!    I'm pretty certain I know the basics of how you're doing this, so I expect the competiton has entered a new phase. (again!)

Looks like you may have your wish regarding tiny maps SS.

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just to be clear, i wasn't taking up "we should eliminate the classic list" as a cause. i'm fine with it being there. my point was that creating a new subdivision doesn't seem productive; on the surface the premise is based on a different style of achieving a ZYW, but that's a slippery slope. by that logic, we should also have a list for "un-trained" ZYWs, etc. map size is important due to its effect on score, but beyond that, i think the lists we have now are sufficient.

Thanks, KP.  You're on the right track if you're thinking what I'm thinking.