GUSHING DEMS. DROWN IN GLEE...

While bush feels that the best thing to do is mumble and bumble and slouch over

While bush feels that the best thing to do is mumble and bumble and slouch over

he SLOUCHES!?!? HOLY HELL, THE WORLD WILL END IF HE IS ELECTED, I MEAN, WHO COULD TRUST A MAN WHO SLOUCHES!?!?

somehow i think you could find it in your heart to forgive Bush's posture and focus on the things that matter.

If what Kerry presented last night inspires glee, he has the expectations of the Left cranked waaaaaay down. Granted, Bush's handlers screwed him over severely, I think, but it was about what Bush DIDN'T do, not what Kerry did.

Although for a bit I was excited by a Liberal report here at JU that Kerry had "licked Bush's ass", but alas, it was just a typo. I thought I had stepped from the room to get popcorn at the wrong time. Once can imagine even more confused looks from Bush...

Bush looked befuddled and confused, but i have become accustomed to that over the past three and a half years. His handlers really dropped the ball last night.

Hitparade, I suggest you do what you can to yank this post or let it sink slowly to the bottom of JU forums, you will be mighty embarressed next week. Just to show you I put my money where my mouth is, I challenge you to bump this forum up next Friday or do a repost and compare / contrast with the future circumstances. My post will be here, and I'm claiming no Bush bounce and Kerry ahead.

And yeah, Kerry has no moral compass, he's done all sorts of evil things, like...um..THAT WINDMILL THING! Yeah, that's it. Then, um, you know what he did? He went to Vietnam and then came back and BAD-MOUTHED it. Kerry is evil, evil, evil!
Let's see, what else do you guys have...? Weak.

Were Kerry a responsible presidential candidate, he would not have opportunistically taken advantage of the handicap that all incumbent President’s face at a debate. While the reckless challenger can shoot off his mouth, the President must carefully and diligently guard each and every word he says. One wrong word can have grave consequences, especially in a time of war. Shame on Kerry.

I agree. I put 10 dollars on Kerry. I'm not even concerned that you wouldn't be able to collect your money in the case that Bush wins, because thats not happening.

Were Kerry a responsible presidential candidate, he would not have opportunistically taken advantage of the handicap that all incumbent President’s face at a debate

You're saying he can't attack the Bush admin. record? We can't talk about how screwed up things are? That is very telling on your behalf but I am sure you are just following the Bush administration's lead. What do you believe we should talk about at the Presidential debates?

While the reckless challenger can shoot off his mouth, the President must carefully and diligently guard each and every word he says.

Look, I may seem like a mean guy, but I really just adamently disagree with you. Bush touched on this last night when he said that we must send a clear message, but coming from Bush, a man who mangles nearly every message he attempts to deliver does not strike me as the competent executor that belongs in the White House.

DEFERENCE:

I know many soliders in Iraq, who flipped out when informed of Kerry's soundbite: "Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time." This is not responbile politcal discourse, especially when the source is a proven opportunist. This is not Ghandi making a moral stand. It's a billionaire who simply will anything to get elected.

Were Kerry a responsible presidential candidate, he would not have opportunistically taken advantage of the handicap that all incumbent President’s face at a debate. While the reckless challenger can shoot off his mouth, the President must carefully and diligently guard each and every word he says.

Because in 2000, the reckless challenger (Bush) didn't opportunistically take advantage of the handicap that Gore (representing the incumbent's administration) faced at the debate?

In 1996, Dole didn't put Clinton's record up to task?
In 1992, Clinton didn't put the Bush record on debate?
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In 1864, McClellan didn't criticize the Lincoln record?
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In 1812, Clinton didn't attack Madison for fighting the war?

It's a fact of elections hitparade, the incumbent must defend his record against a challenger.

Hitparade, I have met many soldiers coming home from Iraq to Whiteman Base here in MO. The soldiers and veterans have been coming in by the buttload to attain signs and volunteer to help the Democratic hq here in Warrensburg. These are the guys that are pissed about stop-loss and not happy about the time they have spent or are having to spend in Iraq. I have met two marines while knocking door to door doing voter registration that do not support Kerry. Their reasons for joining the Marines, when asked, however, where that they had friends die in Iraq and now it is payback time.

To vote for Bush, a guy who stuck us in Iraq without an exit plan and is now spending billions providing health care to Iraqis but not us, is irresponsible or ignorant. Which will you choose?

To which "lies" are you referring?

Kerry's position on Iraq has never changed. If you had listened to the debate, instead of skipping ahead to talking about it, you would have heard this. Bush on the other hand failed to respond to around half the questions he was asked. He just kept repeating that Kerry had mixed messages and that Iraq was somehow part of the war on terror. Repeating something doesn't make it true. But it can persuade those who are too lazy to research the issues and facts on their own.
We as a country are facing a clear choice in this election. The foreign policy of the Bush administration has been disastrous for this nation; we have lost allies and gained enemies. We took the good sentiment and solidarity of most of the world after 9/11 and spit on it with our reckless and unnecessary invasion of Iraq. Domestically, Bush has managed to cut federal oversight of the energy industry resulting in untold environmental harm. In sixteen states it is now dangerous to eat ANY freshwater fish due to mercury contamination from coal fired power plants. It is not surprising that the coal industry donated over 50 million to the Bush election campaign in 2000. Bush has managed to take a record surplus and turn it into a debt so large that my children’s children will still be paying for it. Bush has lost more jobs in his four years than any president in 70 years. By any objective assessment of the state of our nation, Bush's record is at best poor and at worst negligent. I urge you to not view this race with an us against them mentality, but rather to look at the issues and decide for yourself if we can afford another four years like the last four.

The only way anyone here would know things are supposedly "screwed up" is by listening to pundits on TV.

The polls in Missouri suggest otherwise. In Hampton Roads, Virginia, the soldiers couldn't be more behind Bush and stridently anit-kerry. I have a nice picture of a few of us in one of Saddam's palaces in Baghdad. We were there when Kerry voted against the 87 billion for flap jackets, a delay that killed many. Why don't you be brave (and stand on principle) if you oppose the "Bush" agenda, then vote Nader. Does Kerry the Democrat truly reflect your value system? He says he won't budge from Iraq until victory. Since by his estimation Iraq is in pandemonium, then expect a long haul. Unless, of course, Kerry flips and flops. I got in some fishing by the way. The fish on the deck of a boat reminded of Kerry.

I have met many soldiers coming home from Iraq to Whiteman Base here in MO. The soldiers and veterans have been coming in by the buttload to attain signs and volunteer to help the Democratic hq here in Warrensburg.

Then they must have deployed with a F**ked U* Unit. My job is to deploy and redeploy units here in NV. I have personally had members of my own section return and have returned three units from Iraq. Out of all the personnel, I only know of one person that was supporting Kerry. Personally I know this guy and Kerry can have him. The biggest talk from the last unit returning was that they were glad to be back in time for the elections in order to keep Kerry from being their Commander and Chief. They were worried that an absentee ballet would not be back in time.

My ear is in the middle of the military returnees. Of all the soldiers in this area, I could only count on one hand those people that have not declared that they would vote for Bush.

Maybe your area is different, but I get personnel from all over the US through my office. The sentiment is the same with all of the areas they are from.

That’s My Two Cents

Sorry Def, but that what I have seen.

Unless, of course, Kerry flips and flops. I got in some fishing by the way. The fish on the deck of a boat reminded of Kerry.

Clever, I like that. Yes, in some opinion polls, Bush is winning MO. . I can only go on your word and Lee's when referring to the military on your area, I know how things are here at Whiteman (you know, home of the B-2) and the reasons given for voting Kerry seem to jive. I'd like to hear why some of these servicemen would want to vote Bush.

This is good question, does Kerry reflect my value system? No. Neither does Bush, but that is beside the point, when you say Kerry has no moral compass, it is hard for me to imagine him running around town playing the devil. Do you think Bush accurately portrays what you believe to be a reflection of your own value system? No, I don't think so, if you do believe Bush has yours at heart, I think that you are mistaken. There are other reasons why I am voting this year. The ass in the white house has started America bleeding, now I don't think I'm going to find a doctor, but I will put another ass (the most likely contender, not Nader, nice try) in the white house and tell Washington that I'm not happy with what I got last time. Maybe he'll do better, maybe not, but I know what I'm NOT GETTING.

Clear?

I'd like to hear why some of these servicemen would want to vote Bush.

1. Kerry's testimony in front of Congress in the 1972 (enough said).

2. Kerry's not funding body armor and armored Hummers. (Please don't through that old saying that Bush should have done something about it before the war. Because that legacy extends through Clinton and Bush Sr. Kerry voted against the budgets that increased the funding for these items. This was part of the axes to the defense budget and un-funding of military police actions that the military had to strip these programs in order to keep the readiness of Aircraft over 50%. Bush only had one year (his first years funding was passed before he came to office) to use the budget he was given to bring that readiness up again, but still managed to issued armor to Infantry. He had not gotten to the support troops at that time.)

3. Kerry and DNC keep relating the Army in general as a bunch of undisciplined frat boys because of the Prison scandal. (Every soldier in theater wishes to choke to death those guys)

4. He keeps saying everything is going to hell, giving the enemy that they fight every day more hope that they are winning.

5. Having to build bridges, roads, schools, and power networks to here that nothing has been done in Iraq to improve the standards of living from Kerry.

6. The Worse of all is having to look into the eyes of an Iraqi citizen wanting the US to stay and know the Kerry is most likely to pull the US troops out to early because it is more politically advantages to his political career.

7. This is an extension of number 6: Having to look into the eyes of an Iraqi soldier and Governmental employee fighting to bring liberty and freedom to their country, and then know that they will be the first to be beheaded when everything turns to Chaos because of number 6.

8. Know that they will have to be ordered to follow someone that was a glory hound, medal hunter, and left his comrades to fight for another eight months in Vietnam. Sure soldier don’t like serving tours of duty, but they don’t like when people leave early for no good reason other then to start a political career. (The book "Unfit for Command" is very popular there. Unlike many people, they know that the facts in Unfit matches reality more then Kerry's accounts)

The sad thing is, I could add more to this list myself. But these are just the reasons I heard from them.

This list was made from Army National Guard, former Active Army and Active Marienes joining the Guard units localy that serviced in Iraq.

That's My Two Cents

Thanks for the post, not all the soldiers see it that way, if they are voting at all.

Why Bush? I know that on 911three thousand (3,000) Americans were horrifically slain. One of the 23 police officers was a friend of mine. I know that the media did not show the droves, hundreds upon hundreds, who leaped to their death that day. Leaping so as not to be burned to death.

I know that a man named W stood on the ruble of what once was the twin towers and picked back up a Nation that buckled if not down right collapsed on that longest day in American history.

C’mon! You remember, Deference, cowering. W also picked you back up. C’mon! Admit it. Poppa Bush is who we all turned to. Your boy Kerry did as well-- looked to Poppa Bush for protection that longest day.

All of the mighty congressmen ran from the Capital that day. I will give Kerry this much credit. When fleeing, he stops and takes a good hard look to the sky as if looking for incoming. Who knows-- maybe he has a pair of balls to fight the war on terror? If elected, we'll see soon enough.

Thanks for the post, not all the soldiers see it that way, if they are voting at all.

No problem.

I don't think all soldiers will vote this way. Because I know some do not think like the majority. But I will have to say one of the highest turnout rates of any group will be military personnel.

That's My Two Cents

C’mon! You remember, Deference, cowering. W also picked you back up. C’mon! Admit it. Poppa Bush is who we all turned to. Your boy Kerry did as well-- looked to Poppa Bush for protection that longest day.

Now I remember that day, and I appreciate you reaching out, but I didn't look to politicians to cure my angst. I don't believe this administration handled that day, the days before (in hindsight), or this day as well as they could have and I don't believe they represent my interests, particularly keeping in mind the many policies and manuevers they've blazed trails on. I've repeated this line before, I don't think Kerry is some Godsend, but an example has to be made, the guy in office is screwing up and replacing him is the only option.

I don't have a problem with Bush's record being challenged. Comparing the records of the two candidates, Bush is the winner hands down. Is the incumbent a bit handicapped in these debates by virtue of the LOTFW/Candidate conundrum? Always. I, for one, think the majority of people will work their way past the style points scored by Kerry and remain focused on the substance. Just like it was too soon to consider the election over on Wednesday, it's not over on Friday, either.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Its so strange how people are blinded by there believes and can't see the truth that is staring them in the face

Reply #23 By: vibr25 - 10/2/2004 10:40:17 AM Its so strange how people are blinded by there believes and can't see the truth that is staring them in the face

And just what truth would that be?