Kerry's plan helps Americans

Don't let Republicans fool you...

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If and when Kerry wins the election, the world will not come to an end as some right-wingers seem to think.

Kerry's positions are fairly straight forward unless you're a Republican where it all gets fuzzy. I think that's a result of putting ones hands over ones ears and yelling "I can't hear you!"

Kerry on Iraq: Work harder to internationalize the situation and with a better team is likely to get more international support. Then begin a phased pull-out of American forces over the course of the next few years. Democracy in Iraq is a laudable goal but it isn't a requirement for success.

Kerry on taxes: Will cut taxes on all businesses by 5% and repeal the Bush tax cuts only on those who make $200,000 or more. By doing this we will decrease the skyrocketing national debt.

Kerry on Health care: Will work to decrease health costs by pressuring insurance providers to lower their premiums. At the same time, will allow Americans to buy prescription drugs from anywhere (such as Canada).  Will raise the bar on who can qualify for medicare help.

Kerry on the War on Terror: Will fight a more pragmatic war by protecting us at home and not send us off on needless adventures. Will focus on eliminating terrorists instead of launching into more "preemptive" follies like Iraq was.

These aren't spookey. These aren't wobbly. These are issues that most Americans agree with.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
Exactly. Thank you. and for anyone who doesn't know this already, or still claims that Kerry makes 'empty promises', he and Edwards published a 200-some page book with a detailed plan of what Kerry will accomplish if elected.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
Calor:

You mean Health Secretary Crawford's statement that Al Qaeda would use reimported drugs from Canada to terrorize Americans isn't true? I mean, whom can I trust??

J/K!
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

quote]Kerry's plan helps Americans

By: Calor
Posted: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 on Sanity from the Left
Message Board: Democrat
If and when Kerry wins the election, the world will not come to an end as some right-wingers seem to think.
Kerry's positions are fairly straight forward unless you're a Republican where it all gets fuzzy. I think that's a result of putting ones hands over ones ears and yelling "I can't hear you!"
Kerry on Iraq: Work harder to internationalize the situation and with a better team is likely to get more international support. Then begin a phased pull-out of American forces over the course of the next few years. Democracy in Iraq is a laudable goal but it isn't a requirement for success.
Kerry on taxes: Will cut taxes on all businesses by 5% and repeal the Bush tax cuts only on those who make $200,000 or more. By doing this we will decrease the skyrocketing national debt.
Kerry on Health care: Will work to decrease health costs by pressuring insurance providers to lower their premiums. At the same time, will allow Americans to buy prescription drugs from anywhere (such as Canada). Will raise the bar on who can qualify for medicare help.
Kerry on the War on Terror: Will fight a more pragmatic war by protecting us at home and not send us off on needless adventures. Will focus on eliminating terrorists instead of launching into more "preemptive" follies like Iraq was.
These aren't spookey. These aren't wobbly. These are issues that most Americans agree with.

That is a BIG "if"!!![
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
I hate to break this to you but I think hes a gonner
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top


I hate to break this to you but I think hes a gonner


Yeah........I would agree. The funny part about it is (or sad part depending on your politics) Kerry blew himself out of the water. I wonder if he can sqeeze another purple heart out of this? Sorry, I couldn't resist In all seriousness, All his hard left buddies are only helping him commit political suicide and "memo-gate" is just one more nail in the coffin (if not the last).

Sorry Calor. In this election, The democrats - try as they may - aren't going to fool me.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Why is it that Kerry is only going to repeal the tax cut for those making over 200,000 dollars? Wouldn't it help decrease the debt if he repealed it for everybody? Since the non-wealthy didn't benefit as much from the tax cut, they wouldn't be as harmed by the repeal of it.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
Where exactly is Kerry going to get support from for Iraq that isn't already helping? France, Russia, and Germany won't be signing up any time soon regardless of who wins the election.

I'm not going to comment on the taxes. I believe that repealing the tax cuts for the "wealthy" is a mistake, but that is largely because I don't think it will help with the debt as much as give Kerry a reason to push through more spending.

How will pressuring insurance providers to lower premiums keep the insurance providers in business without causing more doctors to leave the field because they can no longer afford to make a living? It appears to be similar the arguments for raising the minimum wage will have no effect on the availability of jobs that pay minimum wage. (I've seen the effect at the local McDonalds from the raising of the minimum wage over the last 10 years, there used to be about 10 people working behind the counters, now just 4-5 at the same time of day)

Reimporting drugs I can agree with, though probably for different reasons. Reimporting drugs will give the drug companies leverage to raise prices in other countries so that US consumers are not the only ones paying for the R&D costs of new drugs. Either that, or the drug companies will stop developing new drugs because they cannot recoup their costs for R&D in which case this will be an unmitigated disaster for those of us that are still living in 10-20 years.

I could easily be wrong about anything I said above. Please feel free to point me to data that proves anything I said wrong.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Quite frankly, I don't care who you elect. Elect Arnie if you want. Just as long as it ain't Bush. I believe that my own country would not have gone to war in Iraq if it weren't for Bush's idea. And had we not gone to war on Iraq, a recent bomb attack might have been prevented and Al-Qaeda might not have promised to bathe Australia in blood.

No matter how bad Kerry may be, he will have the entire Democrat team behind him. He cannot screw the country up that badly with the Dems behind him.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
I hate to break this to you but I think hes a gonner


That's what Howard Dean thought.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
Trying to reduce health costs by pressuring insurance companies to reduce premiums is like trying to reduce your restaurant tab by pressuring your credit card company to bill you less. You want lower restaurant tabs, you need to focus on ways to increase the efficiency and reduce the costs of food and food preparation.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #8 By: Champas Socialist - 9/16/2004 4:11:14 AM
Quite frankly, I don't care who you elect. Elect Arnie if you want. Just as long as it ain't Bush. I believe that my own country would not have gone to war in Iraq if it weren't for Bush's idea. And had we not gone to war on Iraq, a recent bomb attack might have been prevented and Al-Qaeda might not have promised to bathe Australia in blood.

No matter how bad Kerry may be, he will have the entire Democrat team behind him. He cannot screw the country up that badly with the Dems behind him


You don't know how badly he can screw it up! You obviously don't live here so do NOT tell us who we can or can't put in the oval office!
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Kerry has a solid plan for resolving things where Bush is following another Agenda.. A Neo-Conservative one which does not put America first. All anyone has to do is NOT believe what you read or see. Investigate and research it for yourself. Do not stop at oh my God Kerry voted no on defense bill? Find out why he did, read the truth on his stance on the Iraq war. There are facts and there is political spin being used to discredit a good man because this is how classic politics work. If your opponent is strong on many issues turn those issues against him. Discredit him with negative ads staying away from the issues. Now Bush is running on the same ridiculous platform as 2000. It is all about perception not reality. If Bush was a good man for the job I would not be bad mouthing him. The facts are he is the worst sitting president this country has ever had.
Reply #13 from PolMach Forums Top
Work harder to internationalize the situation and with a better team is likely to get more international support.


I want to see a Kerry plan that keeps the situation just as it is now. I don't want pipe-dreams about "international support." We should assume that there will be no other countries willing to jump on this sinking ship. I'm all for soliciting international help, but I want to hear his plan if that fails.

Despite all that, I'm still going to vote for the guy.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
Great article.

The facts are he is the worst sitting president this country has ever had.

Ain't it the truth.
Reply #15 from PolMach Forums Top
Democracy in Iraq is a laudable goal but it isn't a requirement for success.


OK, lets just let them become another dictatorship or Fundamentalist State. Then you can complain later why we didn't stop the countless other people who will die inside of our country and outside due to the fact that we cut and run leaving the country to descend into Civil War.

Work harder to internationalize the situation and with a better team is likely to get more international support


Politicians from both Germany and France have publicly stated that they would NOT send troops no matter who is in office.
Anyway the last time the French sent in troops anywhere was Rwanda, look what happened there.

Will work to decrease health costs by pressuring insurance providers to lower their premiums.


Think one minute, please. How many insurance companies will have to close their door? I'm not defending them by far, I hate them. But if a business must pay an extra $1000.00 on each claim filed, how will they keep the insurance industry afloat? They must make up the money somewhere. We complain about not having enough Doctors and health providers now, then we will have to complain about not being able to find insurance companies that can provide half the coverage that they do now.

To lower premiums will lower coverage. The insurance company that will not close up, will have to keep their bottom line somewhere. They are in business to make money, if they don't they are not in business.

This is also the guy keep saying that the Government should handle health care. I don't see anything in his plan showing that.

allow Americans to buy prescription drugs from anywhere (such as Canada).


For a man who complains about sending jobs to other countries, it seems strange for him to be sending thousands of high paying pharmaceutical jobs elsewhere. Anyway mindlar in the post above is right. The pharmaceutical Companies will just have to raise the cost to subcontractors in other countries very fast. In the end the price will not change much. Only to non-Americans that will love us for that, right?

You complain about people closing their ears about Kerry's plans. We have listened, but what we hear is things that will do more harm then good. Maybe you should open your eyes and see that what he has put forward. It sounds great on a sound byte, but in the real world that most people live in, it will not work.

The only thing Kerry is a bunch of sound bytes that sound great, but aren’t.

That’s My Two Cents
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
Where is all this additional money to pay for his plans going to come from?

To pick one item - regarding health care. His plan he states " the government will pick up 75% of the cost of catastropic health claims for employers who agree 1) to provide quality coverage for their employees, 2) share savings from lower premiums with their employees, and 3) adopt disease management programs and other incentives to improve overall employee health and reduce costs" (page 106 from his Our Plan for America - available on on http://www.johnkerry.com)

Where is the governments 75% share coming from? We are running a record deficit in this country, how can he expect to spend more money on more government programs and still give business and middle class Americans a tax break? The money to pay for these plans must come from somewhere. In my household I can't cut my income and still reduce my debt and maintain my current standard of living. I have to give up something.

In my opinion, all his plan does is make Americans more dependent on the government. Appears we are getting closer to a Socialist state ech day. My two cents as well.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
The facts are he is the worst sitting president this country has ever had.


Yeah, whatever......and you want to replace him with a guy whose picture is enshrined in the Hanoi War Crimes Museum and praised by the communist north vietnamese for his "contributions" to their victory against US! I think Kerry should be rotting in a prison cell right next to his twin sister - Hanoi Jane.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top

Reply #16 By: Confused (Anonymous) - 9/16/2004 1:25:48 PM
Where is all this additional money to pay for his plans going to come from?

To pick one item - regarding health care. His plan he states " the government will pick up 75% of the cost of catastropic health claims for employers who agree 1) to provide quality coverage for their employees, 2) share savings from lower premiums with their employees, and 3) adopt disease management programs and other incentives to improve overall employee health and reduce costs" (page 106 from his Our Plan for America - available on on http://www.johnkerry.com)


And who's paying this? "Our" government? Don't they really mean us, the tax-payers?
Reply #19 from PolMach Forums Top
Quite frankly, I don't care who you elect. Elect Arnie if you want. Just as long as it ain't Bush.

Here! Here!

OK, lets just let them become another dictatorship or Fundamentalist State.

That's what they were before, that's what they will be unless we stay there and indoctrine them for many years. We can't afford to continue to spend money in Iraq, as you know, so let us cut our losses on this whole poorly conceived debacle. What do you say?
Reply #20 from PolMach Forums Top
We can't afford to continue to spend money in Iraq, as you know, so let us cut our losses on this whole poorly conceived debacle. What do you say?


Sorry Deference but I still say stay. I would rather spend 80 billion now, then eventualy 80 trillion and 8 million New Yorker lives if a Fundamentalist State is created in conjuction with Iran. Then they just set off a A-bomb in New York Harbor before unloading for inspection.

It don't matter how we got there, what matters is after we leave. If we would have not helped Germany after WWII than most likely the Iron curtain would have been at the boarder of Spain and Italy.

You have to admit, if we would have stayed a little longer in Germany after WWI then Hitler would not have taken power. That would have stopped WWII and aleast stopped 16 million dead.

That's My Two Cents
Reply #21 from PolMach Forums Top
If we pulled out of Iraq without establishing a democracy, wouldnt just be a waste of the lives that have been lost? We are already there, we should see it through.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Work harder to internationalize the situation and with a better team is likely to get more international support.


Which countries are going to send additional troops to Iraq? Hint: France, Germany, Russia have said they will not.

Will cut taxes on all businesses by 5% and repeal the Bush tax cuts only on those who make $200,000 or more.


Did you misspeak, or do you have a poor understanding of US tax laws? For businesses whose income is taxed according to the same rules as individuals (sole propreitorship, partnership, S-corp) will their taxes go up or down?

Will focus on eliminating terrorists instead of launching into more "preemptive" follies like Iraq was.


Maybe you can help clear up Kerry's position on Iraq...

1. According to Kerry, was using force to overthrow Saddam, even though he didn't have WMD stockpiles, primarily the right decision or primarily the wrong decision?

2. Under what conditions would Kerry attack another country without UN approval?
Reply #23 from PolMach Forums Top
Germany


Chancellor Schröder moves toward a German military mission in Iraq [LINK]

Germany is getting involved, Russia will not because they have enough problems with Chechnya right now.

France, well, they were the whole reason we went to Vietnam, and you want them to help us now, no thank you, just let them send money please. Plus last time they tried to help in the world they helped in a place named Rwanda.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Shozan....

That article is one year old.
Reply #25 from PolMach Forums Top
You anti-bush mongers are practically foaming at the mouth.

Maybe, just maybe it is because of some tremendously poor policy decisions. Enough to make a conservative republican who helped vote him in want to knock on doors to vote him out.