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LARGE BUSH LEAD CONTINUES

LARGE BUSH LEAD CONTINUES

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As the election draws near, it appears President Bush will win by a handy margin. The latest poll shows a 57 percent to 43 percent margin for the President. This is very good news because Democrats have always done such errepairable damage to the country. It is still very much up in the air as to what kind of sick world humanity will have to endure during this new century because of Democratic-Liberalism.

Ungodly liberals are to blame for the massive onslaught of pornography, sexual diseases like aids, drug abbuse, high crime, destruction of the traditional family, the dysfunctional educational system, etc. A victory by the liberal Democrats would only make worse the problems they have already caused.

Recently, I wrote about how liberals set in motion a plan to bring communist-like rule to this nation. If that were to succeed, all order in the world would break down and mankind would head into utter anarchy. It would be the end of the world.
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ChemKin, I enjoyed reading the links you posted. One thing the first link had me ask was: is this just a post-convention bounce for Bush? If you look at the polls before his convention, it is a virtual tie but then after the convention it has Bush leading or tied. Will the bounce fade or can Bush hold it? Remember in 2000 both parties enjoyed 10 point leads at one point after their respective conventions but the vote turned out to be virtually tied! (yes on the left I know Gore won the popular vote and yes on the right I know Bush won the electoral college but it was close on both sides)

One thing I always wondered...why is the choice not Bush/Kerry/3rd Party/Uncertain? Wouldn't that give a better idea of how many votes are left out there to grab? It would also give the 3rd Parties a higher skewed number as it would lump Nader/Bednarik/Cobb etc together. We could possibly end up seeing a spread ilke 39/35/11/15. Wouldn't that give people better information (although my undecided number is probably too high?

Finally, a message that is given by the 2nd link should be made more clear to everyone here who uses one poll instead of multiple polls...he said (and I paraphrase)....One poll does not mean the others are wrong.....and don't cherry pick a poll to prove a point....the polls give a general sense of direction of the polls but not the final answer.
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Dukakis II
A sequel to a Democratic horror show.

Monday, September 20, 2004 12:01 a.m. EDT

Harold Meyerson, editor of the liberal magazine The American Prospect, tells a story of a friend of his who had a dream. He was walking through the headquarters of the Kerry campaign. Behind a door marked "Campaign Manager" he found Kerry manager Mary Beth Cahill. As he drew nearer, however, the woman suddenly ripped off her Cahill mask, behind which was . . . Susan Estrich, Michael Dukakis's campaign manager! Mr. Meyerson's friend woke up screaming.

Lots of Democrats are having similar nightmares about 1988, when Mr. Dukakis, once ahead 17 points in the polls, lost by eight to George W. Bush's father.

Says one Democratic consultant: "I would have called you crazy if in 1989 you would have told me that a decade and a half later this party was going to nominate Dukakis's lieutenant governor--another aloof Massachusetts liberal who would overconfidently feel he would mop the floor with this clueless guy named Bush. But I fear I've seen this movie, and it's 'Groundhog Day.' "

Like Mr. Kerry, Mr. Dukakis was a liberal at heart, but both were perceived as moderates until the fall campaign. Reporters, most of whom supported both Democrats, did all that they could to prop up that image. The need to preserve a moderate image prompted both candidates to talk evasively about issues; in his convention speech Mr. Dukakis famously declared: "This election is not about ideology, it's about competence."

"That strategy ran into trouble when their opponents adopted the simple expedient of pointing out their liberalism using ads with specific, undisputable examples," concludes a study by Indiana University's Erik Rasmusen. "At that point, their advantage in the polls started evaporating."

Liberal journalists have started to pile on the Kerry campaign. "Kerry is Dukakis, after all," sighs Joe Klein of Time magazine. "Deadly dull, slow to respond, trapped in Democratic banality; he actually said he was for 'good jobs at good wages.' "

Craig Crawford, now with Congressional Quarterly and MSNBC, spent 1988 covering the Dukakis campaign. "Do I see parallels? I see only parallels." He notes that many of the same players he knew are back: Bob Shrum, a key adviser to Dukakis, is now Mr. Kerry's top strategist. A top Dukakis deputy, Tad Devine, is Mr. Shrum's deputy in the Kerry campaign. John Sasso, Mr. Dukakis's chief of staff, is Mr. Kerry's top aide on his campaign plane. Joe Lockhart, the former Clinton press secretary, got his start on the Dukakis press operation.

Mr. Crawford agrees that Mr. Kerry has shown the ability to come back from behind, as he did against Howard Dean this year and when he defeated the popular Gov. William Weld in 1996. "But Kerry has only run against Massachusetts Republicans, and the national kind are tougher and more conservative than he's used to," he points out. "I think he's a little shell shocked."





The election is not over, and foreign events or the debates could change the polls dramatically. But it's not too early to ask how Democrats wound up making many of the same mistakes that crippled the Dukakis effort. Leading Democrats agree on many of the problems plaguing the Kerry campaign:
• Bad campaign visuals. "I smell the same New England genius that I smelled in the Dukakis campaign in 1988,'' Gerald Austin, an Ohio political consultant, told the New York Times. "Where do they put him for photo opportunities? Snowboarding in Sun Valley, shooting skeet in the Ohio Valley, and windsurfing off that great working-class vacation paradise, Nantucket."

Others blame a chaotic staff structure with too many decision-makers and an indecisive candidate. Mr. Kerry is addicted to telephone conference calls in which he will sample the views of several aides, seem to come to a decision and then reverse or modify it after one-on-one conversations with others.

• Buying into a myth that Mr. Kerry couldn't be labeled another Massachusetts liberal. "He's a guy who actually shot communists and, when he was a district attorney, locked up murderers," says Rep. Barney Frank. But Mr. Kerry has a 20-year Senate record, one that at times has put him to the left of Ted Kennedy. Mr. Kerry doesn't like to talk about his Senate record, but that doesn't mean Republicans will ignore it.

• Losing control of the message. "If pitching is 75 percent of baseball, then 75 percent of election victory revolves around the definition of the campaign," Pat Caddell, the pollster for Jimmy Carter's 1976 and 1980 campaigns, once wrote. "He who sets the definition of the campaign usually wins."

Mr. Devine has admitted that the Dukakis campaign failed to "run a general election in broad thematic terms that are cultural and historical. But you get so wrapped up in what you're doing, sometimes you lose a lot of focus."

That is also what appears to have happened to Mr. Kerry. In August, 1988, Michael Dukakis repaired to the Tanglewood Festival in the Berkshires and failed to respond to attacks on his prison furlough program, centered on the murderer Willie Horton, who raped and brutalized a Maryland couple while out on weekend release. This year, Mr. Kerry hung out in Nantucket and allowed himself to be filmed windsurfing while the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth pounded him for nearly a month with little effective rebuttal. "The Bush people have a very effective message: the president is tough on terror and John Kerry is either too liberal or too indecisive to do the job. That's become the campaign backdrop," says GOP consultant Charlie Black.





Now some Democrats are overreacting in panic to Mr. Kerry's drop in the polls. Ms. Estrich, now a columnist and newspaper columnist, says the lesson of the Dukakis campaign she ran was that "the trouble with Democrats, traditionally, is that we're not mean enough." She laid out the alternative strategy: a "long and ugly road" to November." She suggested it was time to dig for Bush scandals, from his Air National Guard service (already done) to his prior drinking. "As Larry Flynt discovered, a million dollars loosens lips. Are there others to be loosened?"
As a desperation move, such talk no doubt as its appeal. In 1988, Donna Brazile, then an aide on the Dukakis campaign, lost her job after she openly accused George H.W. Bush of having an extramarital affair. The incident hurt Mr. Dukakis. This year similar tactics are unlikely to work. George W. Bush has a four-year record in office that can be judged for good or for ill. He is not a stranger to the American people, and his faults are not unknown.

Even if Democrats have nothing to do with kamikaze attacks on Mr. Bush, they could still be hurt by them. Mr. Caddell says that if the documents CBS News used to claim Mr. Bush shirked his duty in the Texas Air National Guard are proved to be forgeries, "it would be the end of the race." He explained to Fox News that Democrats "have gotten themselves so involved in this issue that if they're not authentic, they're going to be blamed for it. It's incredible to me that they've gotten in this. I'm trying to save my party, you know, by telling the truth."

No doubt few Democrats will agree, but Mr. Caddell's larger point--that the Democratic Party will have some soul-searching to do should Mr. Kerry lose--is clearly valid. A party that is so myopic as to repeat so many of the mistakes it made in an historic loss only a decade and a half ago is a party that needs to re-examine its relationship with the American people. Perhaps, following the lead of Britain's Labour Party, it needs to shrug off its most liberal elements and embrace truly centrist positions.

If they lose this November, Democrats may console themselves that a strong personality such as Hillary Clinton or John Edwards will rescue them in 2008. But they would be wise to conduct a far more thorough autopsy. After Mr. Dukakis's loss, the party turned to Bill Clinton in 1992, who campaigned as a "new Democrat" and won back the White House. But even running as a centrist, Mr. Clinton never won a majority of the popular vote. To win elections, especially in wartime, Democrats may actually have to change their spots.


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Dear Rugbyshawn,

Yes, there is no question the poll we are reading right now is the result of a bounce after the GOP, and yes traditionally these bounces do not last long. Yet, the deeper question is something slighty different. Traditonally, candidates enjoy a bounce from their own converntion because that is 1 week where they will get alot of media converage and attention, and their opponents stopped visible campaigning. So it make sense, that bounce occurs after a convention. As you mentioned in 2000, Bush got a bounce after his convention and Gore got his. Make sense. Both side of the campaigners are working hard and producing efforts.

This year, somehow Kerry's DNC didn't give him any noticible bounce (according to Gallup, Kerry actually lost points after convention ) but Bush's RNC was successful. So, the conclusion is that the RNC did something correct in term of campaigning.

In answering your question, I am unsure if Bush will lose his bounce, but one thing I am certain: Kerry will not gain any ground if he continue to campaign the same way.

As far as you question about undecided voters, I think there are many polls on it. This is one of the more polarized election, both because the War on Iraq as well as the fact that Kerry solidifed his lead very early on in his primary. The polls that I have read, conclude that we have less independent or 3rd party voters this year than previous years. If my memory serves me correct, there are about 7% undecided voters, so you are not too far off. I understand why some pollesters "force" the undecided voter to choose, because that is the exact situation they will face at election night, and that is what we care about.

For example, if we have a 47% population solidly for Bush and 42% population solidily for Kerry, and 9% undecided. It would be very useful to know which way these undecided voters are leaning. If 90% of the undecided voters are leaning toward Kerry on election night, then Kerry will probably win: 42% + (9% X 0.9) = 50%. Whereas, if the undecided voters are leaning equally to Bush and to Kerry, then Bush will prevail on election night. In conclusion, I understand why the pollesters narrowed down the choices for voters.
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Chemical,

I understand why the pollsters narrowed it down also but I think it would be interesting to poll this way: Bush/Kerry/Nader/Bednarik/Cobb/Undecided.... then ask the undecided who they lean toward and ask the people who plan to vote for Nader/Bednarik/Cobb if the will definitely vote for them or would they possibly vote for Kerry/Bush (wording it better of course to get poll type answers).

It will be interesting to see if the Kerry campaign can re-galvanize his base and leaners (and how they will do it) because I think a weary base right now is the number one problem for him. He needs to get visible and put some energy into the campaign. I know he has been trying to but right now it seems that other things overshadow him right now (30 year old memos, stability in Iraq, etc). Then again, I'm not in a battleground state so I don't see any ads.
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SO many Dems that I talk to have a million and one reasons not to vote. Mostly hogwash for sure but I wont be the one to talk a Democrat into voting By all means, yes - stay home that day! Especially the black ones. All the hype Kerry is putting out there about how the black vote is dismissed, etc. has people believing it. Instead of mobolizing them to vote he has convinced more people that voting is a waste of their time.

So far, I don't think John (Changed name to create F initial) Kerry has done anything right. He is just there to pickup the "not Bush" vote. People are not as motivated to go and vote NO as they are to go and vote YES.

He is a good debater though, so we will see if he can win any points there. Even there, probably the best he can hope for is a Bush blunder.
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Go to hell you fucken assholes. my mom is in the army fighting for your fucken freedom and all you have to say is negative news about kerry/edwards.
tell me this did you know that bush sent 2,500 tanks,machine guns, armor,and tools that don't even work. I got a better idea why don't we send you and bush over and let your fingers legs and other limbs ripped off and letts see who's the bicth now.
because its people like you that make America a sicker place.If it was up to me i would peel your skin off and poor acid on you so you would suffer just like my mom did!!!!!!!!!!.(SOB)and if you don't know what that means because you have had your ass stuck up bush ass it means that you are a SON OF A BICTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1FUCK YOU AND GEORGE FUCKEN BUSH.
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Go to hell you fucken assholes. my mom is in the army fighting for your fucken freedom and all you have to say is negative news about kerry/edwards.
tell me this did you know that bush sent 2,500 tanks,machine guns, armor,and tools that don't even work. I got a better idea why don't we send you and bush over and let your fingers legs and other limbs ripped off and letts see who's the bicth now.
because its people like you that make America a sicker place.If it was up to me i would peel your skin off and poor acid on you so you would suffer just like my mom did!!!!!!!!!!.(SOB)and if you don't know what that means because you have had your ass stuck up bush ass it means that you are a SON OF A BICTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1FUCK YOU AND GEORGE FUCKEN BUSH.
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[quoteReply #31 By: You don't want to know (Anonymous) - 11/4/2004 9:50:58 PM
Go to hell you fucken assholes. my mom is in the army fighting for your fucken freedom and all you have to say is negative news about kerry/edwards.
tell me this did you know that bush sent 2,500 tanks,machine guns, armor,and tools that don't even work. I got a better idea why don't we send you and bush over and let your fingers legs and other limbs ripped off and letts see who's the bicth now.
because its people like you that make America a sicker place.If it was up to me i would peel your skin off and poor acid on you so you would suffer just like my mom did!!!!!!!!!!.(SOB)and if you don't know what that means because you have had your ass stuck up bush ass it means that you are a SON OF A BICTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1FUCK YOU AND GEORGE FUCKEN


You obviously don't know shit from shinola! Bush ain't in charge of sending ANY equipment over to Iraq! Pull your head out of you butt and look around idiot!
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Reply #31 By: You don't want to know (Anonymous) - 11/4/2004 9:50:58 PM
Go to hell you fucken assholes. my mom is in the army fighting for your fucken freedom and all you have to say is negative news about kerry/edwards.
tell me this did you know that bush sent 2,500 tanks,machine guns, armor,and tools that don't even work. I got a better idea why don't we send you and bush over and let your fingers legs and other limbs ripped off and letts see who's the bicth now.
because its people like you that make America a sicker place.If it was up to me i would peel your skin off and poor acid on you so you would suffer just like my mom did!!!!!!!!!!.(SOB)and if you don't know what that means because you have had your ass stuck up bush ass it means that you are a SON OF A BICTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1FUCK YOU AND GEORGE FUCKEN


You obviously don't know shit from shinola! Bush ain't in charge of sending ANY equipment over to Iraq! Pull your head out of you butt and look around idiot! Not withstanding the fact that Kerry is a traitor! Don't believe me, I don't care. But before you start running your mouth. You should talk to someone who does know because you don't!