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I found this yesterday. check it out!

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This guy kills me. The fact he's the keynote speaker at the RNC just proves he's a repub. If he is one, he should just join the party.

Thanks for reading,


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Reply #26 from PolMach Forums Top
I hate to break this to you, Desert Fox, but Republicans aren't as simple-minded as you seem to think. For example, you said
He is the first sitting president in history to begin his campaign with negative ads.

Well, I'm sure all the Dems who read that thought, "Oh, really! What a jerk! I hate Bush even more." I'm sure it doesn't even cross many people's mind to research and see if that's true. (I know people take what they heard and assume it's true..if they didn't Moore would have been debunked a long time ago.)
Anyway, I didn't think you were correct, and instead of calling you a liar, I thought I'd verify my assertion before I said something (you taking notes, Desert?) This is a Link to Bush's first television ad. It's not negative at all...it's exceedingly positive.

In your defense, I think you made a simple mistake. There was one side of this campaign which started out negative. It wasn't the Dems, it was their 507 moveon.org who held their "who can make the best commercial bashing Bush" contest late 2003 (remember, they wanted the winner to air on the Super Bowl?).
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am just really curious how the Democrats from Georgia that put Miller in office are feeling about him....wonder when he is up for relection. Hope they are looking for a true Democrat that can take his place.
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Reply #28 from PolMach Forums Top
Here I will utter forth more truth, or at least my honest truth, than has every been said about political parties, conservatism, and liberalism.

Zel Miller is a Dixiecrat, through and through, he still holds the ideals of Democrats before this HUGE left shift. The Democratic party was not always so left and liberal, I remember dis-liking some Democratic candidates because they were to freakin' conservative. Their party has become so one sided that no longer do they even accept or like anyone but those who are exceedingly left, this problem seems to stem from the fact of their loss of many seats of power in Congress and states, after Clinton was elected the first time. They decided that instead of being a party that would have many people standing different ways that they needed to have one view and one agenda, and that became a liberal view, which has become ever more liberal as you, which the Republicans on the flipside have the same problem with going too far right. The Democratic party used to be a National and inclusive party, the party that Zel Miller belong to, didn't matter whether you were conservative or liberal, or even a moderate, just as long as you were a Democrat and not a Republican, now there was some views that were party held, but for the most part each person of the party had their own differing views on their own political policies. I do not know whether it was their huge loss of power in the 90s, or Clinton, or others, but some personal views which were exceedingly liberal of a few people became the party views, so much now that you must obey all party views ARE YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT. That is what Zel Miller is trying to make as a statement, the Democratic Party has gone from inclusive to exclusive, and until they realize this and get more Democrats speaking out against their party coming up with a set of complete views that leave no room for anybody else's opinion, than they will sink deeper, don't be suprised if some flee the party, because rats do flee a sinking ship.

For Republicans this was there problem during Bush Sr.'s era, they had become to exclusive to the nation, which is why the Neo-Republicans swept into Congress and states. Republicans have become more diverse with prime examples of McCain, Gulliani, and Arnold, etc. being the evidence to back up this claim, even though Bush and Cheney are extreme conservatives they do not oust or bash on those who not conservatives like them, in fact Cheney and Bush have differing opinions, which they do state. Kerry and Edwards must be of one mind and view like the current Democrat Party dictates, there is nowhere near the amount of lenancy in the Democratic party for differing opinions as there is in the Republican Party, because of that dictating view of their Party.

I noticed that Gore had different views than Clinton during his first term, but during the second he was the one view guy, and only in his election run did he differ his views only for the sake that some political campaign advisor said that it would benefit his race.

I will be playing close attention to Bush Jr.'s speech tonight to look if he gives specfics on his plans for the U.S., Kerry did not really give hard specfics on his plans, more like glittering generalites, just like he says he has a plan for Iraq that he would have acted differently with Iraq than Bush, but doesn't say how, maybe because some of the difference in plan stims from the fact that Hindsight is always 20/20.

With this much typed I am done for the time being, and I will respond, after all this is the nature of debate, to have differing opinions.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Well... that and the dems did bring the Civil Rights Act into law.


Uhh, sorry, thatoneguy...but that's quite revisionist...actually, the dems OPPOSED most civil rights legislation.
Reply #30 from PolMach Forums Top
Uhh, sorry, thatoneguy...but that's quite revisionist...actually, the dems OPPOSED most civil rights legislation.


That's true reading a history book about it, read that Strom Thurmond, at the time a Democrat, filibustered the bill for something like twenty-four hours, shocked the hell out of me, that is one hell of long talking time even if you use Roll calls, and bathroom breaks.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actually folks..You're wrong. LBJ is the guy who pushed it through. Strom filibustered for 36 hours. And it was the beginning of the dixiecrat exodus to the repubs.
Reply #32 from PolMach Forums Top
Still think if the people of Georgia didn't like Zell Miller, they wouldn't have elected him, also keep in mind last time I was there (July 2002 to Feb 2004, US Army service), Georgia is a bit of a conservative state, doesn't matter if they are Democrat or Republican, they are just plain conservative.
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
They didnt elect him...he was appointed to the Senate. He was elected Gov though. I have a lot of family in the Atlanta area, and you're right. GA is very conservative, no matter which party they belong to!
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actually folks..You're wrong. LBJ is the guy who pushed it through. Strom filibustered for 36 hours. And it was the beginning of the dixiecrat exodus to the repubs.


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Reply #35 from PolMach Forums Top
Citizen ShoZan nicely put at least. I for one will not watch Bush at all. I see him for how he really is. A conman who is shrewd and dishonest in all his dealings. Rarely does anyone research anything, instead they just believe what a given party says and becomes a non-functioning human and a misinformed voter. Bush had help with all his businesses they all failed besides the baseball purchase and in the end that did not go well. He had many things pushed under the rug like the SEC investigations and how about the guy standing up and admitting he did Bush SR. a favor and got him in the national guard to avoid viet nam. This is our leader? Please he is a coward knows NOTHING about wars. Iraq was just a payback for his daddy almost being killed. I predict more terroists and more attacks because of him. Elect him again and watch our country go down the tubes. I wish people would WAKE UP and do the right thing. Check everthing and do not blindly vote. EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE PART VOTE!!!! If there was a good GOP running I would vote for him in a heart beat.

Reply #36 from PolMach Forums Top
Please he is a coward knows NOTHING about wars.


You are saying that our duly elected president is a coward, but I distinctly remember history telling us that it was John Kerry who came back from Vietnam and launced attacks against our soldiers, when he should have been helping fight the spread of communism and socialism. I don't want a man who won't stand behind our soldiers the be their commander-in-chief. The President supports our soldiers. John Kerry would rather have our military fighting with spitballs, as the Hon. Zell Miller so eloquently put it.
Reply #37 from PolMach Forums Top
Okay, either way it doesn't matter who exactly is President, America can not be destroyed by that person no matter how strong he/she is, America is more than it's government, it is it's people, and I for one will not allow my country of where I was born to be destroyed by no man, so if it comes to Bush or Kerry gaining enough momentum and intent on really harming our nation physically I will stand against them, and I will not be alone.

History has told us about our Presidents, that in the end hate them or love them, we have survived through all of them, and if you hate Bush, than it will be no different, America will still be here as long as there are people here who believe in the American dream. If other countries have a problem, than no more Coca-cola, Nike (except for China they make it), McDonald's, etc. for you, after all since you hate the Americans than why do you need American products or American Companies, or even American technology, let's quit the damn pissing contest of two dogs marking territory and get along, an ounce of tolerance can go a long way.

Now don't take me wrong, and go on saying I hate other countries, I don't. I love the UK, Australia, Japan, got some problems with China but still like them, Taiwan which should be let into the UN despite China's arguments, Germany, Slovenia, etc., and hell I even tolerate some countries like France (what can I say to them if you ain't French than bug off, but that's because their french), Saudia Arabia, Iran (what can I say it's the religious leaders with too much power causing the problems not the average joe or jane), etc.

Bush is a conman, and Kerry can't stand for anything, but what kind of choices were you expecting with a TWO-PARTY SYSTEM or any party system period.

The problem is nobody can accept anybody in America anymore when it comes to politics, and unless something is done about it, we can only expect things to get worse.

RESIST. THINK. DEBATE. REPEAT.
Problem is government has been telling people not to think for so long that few do now when it comes to voters.
Reply #38 from PolMach Forums Top
Also just listening to the news here about Haliburton, I grew up in Oklahoma, and when I left in 1998 Haliburton was going down the tubes, if they had not recieved this contract in Iraq several thousands of Oklahomans would have lost their jobs from Haliburton, and others would have lost their jobs because of their dependence on Haliburton.
Reply #39 from PolMach Forums Top
I don't think the President is a con man, but I agree with ShoZan on most of his points. If you don't like either candidate, then I suggest you vote for Nader, he's been speaking out against the 2 party system for years. And if you can't vote for Nader (thanks to dems who want to keep the two party system), then you can always write him or anyone else in.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
Nader has accepted money from the Republican party who have paid him in the hopes he will split the vote with Kerry; this is a matter of public record.

Nader is also an independent, not even a representative of a minor party this year (he split with the Greens when David Cobb got the nomination).

There are third party options outside of Bush and Kerry; I suggest a closer look at the Libertarian Party or the Green Party, depending on the issues important to you.
Reply #41 from PolMach Forums Top
Elected President? Huh? He was appointed by the supreme court last I checked way back in 2000 by a GOP supporter. He went on a hunting trip with Chenney recently. Please, there is not one thing that is true being told about Kerry. RESEARCH IT do not spit out the same junk that all repubilcans are saying. BUSH IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE I do not know why anyone would support this guy. I find all the comments very funny. Kerry has taken the least amount of lobby money then any other senator those are the facts. $550.000.00 roughly over his 20+ years of service. He did not do what they wanted after he took the money so they stopped going to him. :hot:

Bush is a conman if you read his background and dealings with his businesses he had. All the man did most of his life is drink beer, snorted coke, and even toke some weed. He is not what he seems like folks. Read the books they are out there for more reasons then for the authors to make money. Geez. I am a great saleman.. I can sell ice cubes to an eskimo. I know a conman when I hear and see one. I stopped doing sales because I HATE lying to make money. If you have a good product it will sell itself. Otherwise you get someone who knows how to read people. Tell them what they want to hear. Everyone is entitled to their opinions but mine are from facts I found not what I heard or read on someone post! No offense to anyone who supports the guy. If he had issues to talk about he would, but instead being he has not really done anything good for this country they attack Kerry and try to discredit him. WAKE UP see the light. It is not about what party to support it is what is best for our country and our children. If he is re-elected his polices will affect this country for the next 10-20 years.
Reply #42 from PolMach Forums Top
Than on the other hand, Kerry makes more money than Bush, and pays less in taxes, so what's the deal with that, and he wants to increase taxes, probably because he still thinks he can get away with the major tax breaks he got. Search the GOOGLE on that one.
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
The rich deserve some income tax breaks. I would be happy to enter a thread with anyone up to it.
Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
Folks....this is getting a little off thread here...But very entertaining!
Reply #45 from PolMach Forums Top
No problem, I am here all week to entertain everybody.
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
ShoZan- Were you advocating the fact that we went to Iraq because it saved 1000 jobs? Or were you advicating that halliburton got the contract because it saved 1000 jobs? Or did i missunderstand you?
Reply #47 from PolMach Forums Top
Google? nah I do use that for my research. We are off topic though.. The dude is a republican in DEMS clothing. Only reason he backed Clinton was the pork barrel crap that he was given or he would not have supported him.

Citizen ShoZan, man what does it matter how much Kerry is worth or how much he pays in taxes? He is going to tax the people who are supposed to be taxed in the first place. THE RICH! Bush is shifting the burden from the RIch to the middle class and below. Read the market reports they were just released. On Bush's watch over 4.1 million people have fallen from the middle class to lower living. In worst cases there are now 1.6 million who are in proverty all because of Bush. Kerry has turned down money time and time again. Bush takes whatever he can and helped to keep his buddy who ran Enron out of problems for a very long time. I could write a dang book on the info I have about this whole scam the Republicans are doing right now.

There never was a real reason to be in Iraq period. Zell Miller is a scum no matter what party he is with. He is only doing his last horray before leaving and to make the last bit of cash he can for his own retirement. My opinion only I did not research that at all.

Btw Google is not going to give you accurate results. Any search engine can be rigged to pull up whatever someone wants. I do not know how to do it myself or I would do it to get my website on top. If you rely on that for your information you sure are not getting the real scoop. Try visiting CSPAN for starters, visit a local book store pick up the Iron Triangle.. That one alone will open your eyes. Also do a search on the Bush family see what you find. It will shock you it did me as to how they could be where they are. OH, Masonic Temple, ever hear of it? You will see the signs when entering any City just on the outter limits of the city where it says welcome to whatever name it is. Bush Sr. was the Grand Wizard or leader of the North American branch which is how his son won the 2000 election. The police who blocked some voters from getting to the polls, some 20,000 of them. They all belonged to the Masonic Temple. Secret Society datng way back forgot the date. There is a lot at stake here that is for sure. Well it has been fun.. I have to get out of here before I will never be able to stop posting.

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Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
OH, Masonic Temple, ever hear of it? You will see the signs when entering any City just on the outter limits of the city where it says welcome to whatever name it is. Bush Sr. was the Grand Wizard or leader of the North American branch which is how his son won the 2000 election. The police who blocked some voters from getting to the polls, some 20,000 of them. They all belonged to the Masonic Temple. Secret Society datng way back forgot the date.


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Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top

I don't think some of you realizehow much of a disservice you do your cause when you use terms like "Selected" (Bush was elected President, and even the Florida recounts conducted by the media demonstrate he won). It's right up there with the "Bush lied, people died" nonsense that the radical liberals use. It's not compelling and if anything, it drives more moderate people to Bush.

Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top

Uhh, sorry, thatoneguy...but that's quite revisionist...actually, the dems OPPOSED most civil rights legis


actually gideon, check the link i posted to your gop and civil rights post.  johnson earned the credit for both the 64 civil rights act and the 65 voting rights act.