Kerry:Now you know: It was bullshit!

Are the Swift Boys having second thoughts?

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I refer you to my previous blog. It seems as if, and I go only by the South African press and television here, that there HAS been a little scam going in the Swift Boat ranks. Now the Swift boat men seem to be changing their minds. One moment Kerry is a coward and a medal hunter; next he's a good guy.

There are still question marks but it seems as if the Swift men are afraid of something--or perhaps they opened their mouths too much. I mean, if you were a Swift veteran would you like to upset the "President?"

Let me tell you what I think. Someone in the "Bush machine" has engineered some great negative publicity for Mr Kerry. Now the guys are pulling back. What a dirty game American politics is! And I'm sorry that Kerry has lost points through it. Bush needs strong competition (salutes or not), and I know that Kerry is an "unimpressive" contender (SA press again), but competition is good and it could do without dirty, tactics and bullshit.

American Presidential elections can do without the washing of dirty linen that's not dirty at all. George may stay but he needs a good honest contender to take him on and some people are trying to deny Kerry a clean fight.

America may regret putting Bush back in the White House just because they listen to a whole lot of cranks running down the opposition! Lets move on: Now dig up some dirt on Bush,guys. Isn't that how you work?
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Now the Swift boat men seem to be changing their minds. One moment Kerry is a coward and a medal hunter; next he's a good guy


Please previde refence on this.

The Bush Campainge has never critizied Kerry's record. If you think the swities are part of the Bush Camp then that means that moveon.org is part of the Kerry Camp. It has stronger ties to the Kerry Camp (Kerry's former campaign manager is chairman of Moveon.org, I bet SA media don't print that), while the swities have a few internet doners that are past friends of Bush. What people can't donate their own money anymore?
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Kerry hires and embraces smear artists. The *real* bullshit is all the "We're not telling people to vote for Kerry, we're just telling them to vote against Bush". Look at Moore, and MoveON, and the new concert tour. This is hundreds of millions of dollars of under-the-table advertising for Kerry.

Maybe the excuses would be more valid during the primaries, but now there are just two choices. It is damn telling to see Moore sitting next to Carter in the Presidential box at the DNC. When you go to the net and hire someone like Exley that has made a career out of painting Bush as a cocaine addict and defending ads that liken Bush to Hitler, you have no moral ground to stand on.


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Kerry is going to lose this election, not because of the SwiftVets debacle, but because of his own actions which opened a collossal can of worms.

More to the point, here are the specific things Kerry has screwed up on which are now starting to receive even the scrutiny of his erstwhile allies in the liberal news media:

1) Kerry, instead of laying out his plan for dealing with the issues that face America, chose to make his truncated four-month tour of duty in Vietnam the basis of his candidacy. Once he brought out his Vietnam service as a political issue, he opened himself up to the Swiftboat guys, who have been chafing for over 30 years at Kerry's repeated claims that all the men in his unit, and all Vietnam veterans, routinely engaged in the commission of war crimes. If you were such a veteran hearing those distortions of your war service, you might decide to join a group to set the record straight yourself, after being kicked in the ass and publicly humiliated for all those years.

2) Kerry's stories about his war service keep changing, the message of the SwiftVets hasn't budged once as far as I can tell. Kerry claims in a 1986 speech on the Senate floor that his boat spent Christmas, 1968 inside Cambodia, and that President Richard Nixon was lying to the country by saying that there were no American forces in Cambodia... moreover, that this incident was 'seared' into his memory and became a defining turning point in his life... the problem with this is, Richard Nixon wasn't President then, Lyndon Johnson was. No American forces were in Cambodia until much later. This whole "Apocalypse Now" scenario of Kerry's isn't holding water, and has in fact been rewritten several times by Kerry advisers (who were not in Vietnam or Cambodia themselves). There have already been a number of attempts to explain this factual lapse, but now they've at least moved the 'Christmas in Cambodia' story up to February, 1969, so that it more conveniently coincides with the Nixon presidency. There is also the ridiculous assertion that Kerry simply 'misremembered' the events as they happened, but that explanation doesn't work for a guy who stands on the floor of the U.S. Senate claiming to have had these events 'seared' into him to the point where it became a defining turning point in his life! He seems to have found the guts to repeat the same story 50 times verbatim over the years, but suddenly, under the scrutiny of a Presidential election, the story becomes harder to pin down than a pup tent during a cyclone.

3) Kerry's stories about throwing his war medals onto the White House lawn as a war protest also don't add up. First of all, he still has his own medals, but threw someone else's medals at the White House, but told the news media point-blank that they WERE his own medals. The very medals which got him out of his tour of duty in 'Nam early, the very medals which the SwiftVets say Kerry embellished his after-action reports and citations in order to receive. He repeated the story of how he tossed away 'his' medals until ABC's Peter Jennings found out that he had been lied to, and summoned 'Good Morning America' to take Kerry to task on this point on national television. It's all a matter of lying to keep up appearances, and to take Kerry seriously on any of this requires a person to not pay attention to more than one of his statements on any given subject. The man lies like a rug. If he ever stops lying, someone better check his pulse, quick.

4) The way that Kerry has handled the SwiftVets controversy has been dismal, and reveals much about how the man would comport himself as President were he to be elected. Instead of coming out and laying out to the American people, in simple terms, where and how the SwiftVets are lying, he sends DNC lawyers to the TV stations, demanding that the SwiftVet ads be pulled off the air. So much for the First Amendment, eh, Mr. Kerry? Is that how he would handle Al-Qaeda? Have his lawyers send Bin Laden a 'cease-and-desist' letter? Remember, he is running for President using his Vietnam service as the main plank of his campaign - but no one is allowed to comment on his war record without being summarily branded a 'liar'. This is asinine. He has put himself in the position of having to publicly attack 250 decorated Vietnam war veterans, or say nothing at all in the face of their assertions, when he could have simply ignored the Vietnam issue entirely and presented his vision of what a Kerry Presidency would mean to the country. Then he goes and tells the Firefighters' Convention this past weekend that the SwiftVets are nothing more than a cog in the machinery of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy (TM), (again, without stating exactly what facts the SwiftVets are mistaken about), and that the SwiftVets should 'Bring it on.' Big mistake, as you'll see below.

Here is the text of the SwiftVets ad that is going out this week in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and elsewhere. Kerry's own voice recordings, where he condemns his fellow veterans as war criminals during testimony before Congress, are interspersed with Swiftboat veterans' and Vietnam POWs' commentary:

KERRY: They had personally raped, cut off the ears, cut off heads--

JOE PONDER (wounded 1968): The accusations that John Kerry made against the veterans who served in Vietnam was just devastating.

KERRY: randomly shot at civilians--

PONDER: And it hurt me more than any physical wounds I had.

KERRY: cut off limbs, blown up bodies--

KEN CORDIER (former POW): That was part of the torture, was to sign a statement that you had committed war crimes.

KERRY: razed villages in the fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan--

PAUL GALANTI (former POW): John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I, and many of my comrades in North Vietnam, in the prison camps, took torture to avoid saying. It demoralized us.

KERRY: crimes committed on a day-to-day basis--

CORDIER: He betrayed us in the past. How could we be loyal to him now?

KERRY: Ravaged country sides in South Vietnam--


GALANTI: He dishonored his country and, more importantly, the people he served with. He just sold them out.

ANNOUNCER: S.B. Vets for Truth is responsible for the content of this ad.


The Colonel Cordier in the ad above was also working for the Bush campaign prior to this, but the Bush campaign has dismissed him from the campaign in accordance with the McCain-Feingold Act. This is the only proven link between the SwiftVets and the Bush campaign (except for a SwiftVets flier that was found on the floor of a Republican campaign HQ in Texas), but you know what? Who gives a damn? In this country we have (or DID have until McCain-Feingold) the right to peaceably assemble. It is funny, though, that the DNC, even with George Soros and Michael Moore out there spreading mendacity, prevarication and creatively-edited disinformation in all directions, to the tune of 60 million (!) dollars and climbing, and they never could make a dent in Bush's numbers. On the other hand, along come the SwiftVets and a few ads which cost less than $150,000 to make, and not only does Kerry's national numbers drop by a couple percentage points in only one week, but his support among veterans has dropped precipitously. No wonder Kerry's people are going nuts trying to get these guys off the air.

And just for the record, Adnauseum, why don't you give us all a break? You're a South African liberal spending time repeating quasi-intellectual non-information gleaned from the untrammeled bullshit available to you on the Internet. With all due respect, your posts reveal that you have about as much knowledge of American politics as a tadpole has about nuclear engineering. Maybe you are intending to embarass yourself, in that case, 'to each his own'.

-BoomerDog1
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You know, Boomer, it doesn't take a fool to see that some Americans dislike Kerry and that they will twist the facts for their own benefit. Rightly so, I am A South African liberal but I see daily how "some" Americans will twist anything for so-called love of country.
I call it conniving. Fact is you guys don't like criticism of any type. You are so wrapped up in yourselves that you don't see that we on the outside can read you like a book.
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they will twist the facts for their own benefit


What are you talking about? If you want to talk about fact lets see what John Kerry has talked about today as issues and records.

1. To creat new jobs because of all the one that have been lost sence Bush has been in office.

U.S. Department of Labor
Bureau of Labor Statistics

Employed in July 2004: 139.7 million

Employed in Dec 2000 (last months of Clinton): 135.8 million

Net increase of 3.9 million jobs

Reference:
http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/news.release/History/empsit.01052001.news

If you lessened to what John Kerry says: "Jobs have been lost under this administration, and I will do something about it."

He is right technically. Jobs have been lost, but he fails to say jobs have been created to replace them. You should listen to the guy, along with all politicians Dems and Reps., with an open mind.

2. George Bush has done nothing about health care.

What was the thing that Bush passed earlier this year? Ooooh.... a national prescription drug program (all ages)

Before this (all ages) program THERE WAS NONE.

Here is a good one; whenever he does talk about the new Drugs program he said that "it take away drugs needed by seniors." The only system before the new program out there was a part of the Medicare program for senior citizens. I do most of the paperwork for my mother’s healthcare. When the new program started I asked senior services "when must I register for the new program before the old runs out"? I was told that it is not ending and that both programs run at the same time. So when people reach an elderly age they may choose what system to use.

Then he says that by "allowing the re-importation of safe prescription drugs from Canada" is a good thing. Strange, lets ruin the high paying jobs in the pharmaceutical industry. This is this same guy complaining about good jobs going to other countries.

What Bill has Kerry EVER submitted or co-sponsored in his 19 years in the Senate; NONE I checked in the national archives (for another post earlier) for 3 hours .

What ideas does John Kerry have to improve the nation’s healthcare: NONE Check his own website and look for any programs and on how he will improve it. The only concrete thing he says he will do is "John Kerry and John Edwards will cut family premiums by up to $1,000.", Naaah, wrong answer: a president has no authority to lower premiums because the insurance companies are privately owned. Then if he could, by some Act of God (through Congress), pass a cap on premiums then 90% the insurance companies in the US would close their doors because of lawsuits (as his running mate about that, he personally has done that multiple times.).

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/health_care/

Anyway, in the end this is not a Republican issue in the first place, to have done anything in the first place is a plus. (Note: In my opinion, when is it my responsibility to use my Tax money to pay for someone else's health care. I have healthcare because I pay for it myself. (This is still a Capitalist system we live in)

3. "John Kerry and John Edwards will put America on the path towards energy independence" website

President Bush has already submitted a plan and I will show you with Kerry's own website how Bush has already got it covered.

a) Explore and Develop New Energy Sources: The oil companies have been exploring for oil to years "we have run out". The last large amount of oil is in an area of Alaska were as an estimated 30 people visit a yearly. But Kerry's eco friends are blocking it.

b) Develop Tomorrow's Technology Today: The Bill Bush has submitted to Congress also has an 60% increase in funding and tax cuts to those who are researching alternative energies and require energy companys to use 25% non-fosal fuels by 2006 and has plans to increase it steadly after.

Interesting fact is the Kennedy's and John Kerry have started a lawsuit stopping a wind farm off Capecodd, because they many see it with binoculars from their mansions.

What of Kerry's ideas? search.... search..... search.... Sorry man, but he has not proposed any.

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/energy/

I listened to Kerry's speech this morning and everything come out of his mouth was an attack (maybe look like defence). Show me one example in the resent months of attack Lies coming from Bush's mouth. Do your research, the only thing Bush has criticized about Kerry is his record in the Senate, something that is there for even you to research. He has not once done any personnel attacks or questioned Kerry's service record. If you can show me I'll stand corrected.

I'm not saying that Republicans don't pull some dirt tricks, but almost everything that I seen from Kerry's speech earlier today has no fact behind it. Boomerdog unfortunately lost his cool and I'm sure he regrets some of the things he said, but you should really check the facts (especially with Kerry). He says that the swift boat vets are lying. Maybe some are, but three facts have surfaced from the book that John Kerry has lied about:

1: X-mas 1968 in Cambodia that was Seared into his memory (all evidence and Kerry's own Camp. says its not true) refence available on demand

2: He won his first Purple Heart during combat: His own journal written 9 days after that week has him bragging that he had not received any fire during the whole week. (Note: how did he get wounded then)

3: He had stayed to pull special ops officer Rassmen out of the water (who had been knocked off Kerry's boat) while all the other boats fled for witch action he won a Bronze Star: Even Rassmen said that Kerry left the area and came back for him and that he was in the water for 45mins. There are all four boat commanders at the seen saying other things about Kerry's account are false but I'm not going to say them only facts. (Note: In my opinion Kerry should not have received the Bronze Star in the first place, because if he would have left Rassmen in the water he would have been Court Marshaled for not doing his duty)

These are the things that have been proven by the book; let give these 64 vets that did serve in the same squadron a little credit for bring out some facts.

Please reread you replies above and check your facts. The Kerry Camp constantly twists the truth (today every thing). I am willing to listen to your facts about what Bush has said. You may find that his words are on the mark and Kerry cannot get anything out without dancing around the true.
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The *real* bullshit is all the "We're not telling people to vote for Kerry, we're just telling them to vote against Bush". Look at Moore, and MoveON, and the new concert tour. This is hundreds of millions of dollars of under-the-table advertising for Kerry.

I'd find that to be in refute. After all, anyone but Bush includes Nader, which would hurt Kerry, correct? I don't quite grasp the good that Bush has done and I question many of his policies, so I don't think it is b.s. to declare, "Hey Americans, anyone but this one guy who is totally screwing stuff up for us!" more substantive material coming soon!
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After all, anyone but Bush includes Nader, which would hurt Kerry, correct?


Hay Defernce

Check this report out its a good read for both sides, in many Democrats party execs minds anybody but Bush do not include Nader. But the Republicans are catching some flak for helping Nader get the signatures from green party voters to be on the ballots in a few states. While the Democtars are fighting to stop him from getting on the ballet.

More party politics unfortunately.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,129801,00.html
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So, I guess that the Swift Boat's attacks on Kerry are completely unrelated to Bush, since they're about Kerry and not Bush, and obviously the alternative to Kerry is somebody other than Bush, such as Nader.
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You know, Boomer, it doesn't take a fool to see that some Americans dislike Kerry and that they will twist the facts for their own benefit.


And you aren't twisting facts to suit your own dislike of Bush?
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this whole situation is actually just sad, including some of the debates here on this board. more dirty politics and personal attacks, it has nothing to do with the issues and what's important and facing this nation in the future. more tactics from the rich to blur the issues and for corporate america to maintain THEIR control of the country. either guy who gets elected will still answer to them. And the majority of americans just take it all in and get swept up in the distractions.
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So, I guess that the Swift Boat's attacks on Kerry are completely unrelated to Bush, since they're about Kerry and not Bush, and obviously the alternative to Kerry is somebody other than Bush, such as Nader.

Messy Buu, your tit-for-tat logic is growing a bit long in the tooth, wouldn't you say?

Hay Defernce

Check this report out its a good read for both sides, in many Democrats party execs minds anybody but Bush do not include Nader.


Thanx, buddy! Good stuff!
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Messy Buu, your tit-for-tat logic is growing a bit long in the tooth, wouldn't you say?


I'll quit the tit-for-tat logic when people start using a single standard for both Bush and Kerry rather than skewing it because of a dislike for Bush.
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Citizen Lee posted:
1. To creat new jobs because of all the one that have been lost sence Bush has been in office.

U.S. Department of Labor
Bureau of Labor Statistics

Employed in July 2004: 139.7 million

Employed in Dec 2000 (last months of Clinton): 135.8 million

Net increase of 3.9 million jobs

Reference:
http://stats.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/news.release/History/empsit.01052001.news

If you lessened to what John Kerry says: "Jobs have been lost under this administration, and I will do something about it."

He is right technically. Jobs have been lost, but he fails to say jobs have been created to replace them. You should listen to the guy, along with all politicians Dems and Reps., with an open mind.



Thanks for that post... interesting facts there...

I would add:


Just to make sure that this wasn't gonna be spun by the lefties among us - I checked the financial stats also included in the two reports (first link is current stats, the ftp link is the 2000 info).

The typical lefty spin would be that these jobs that we've gained are not as good as the ones that were lost along the way.

First, WHAT LOSS?!!?

The numbers don't add up to a loss because there's been a gain.

Further, looking at the hourly income stats, there's also been a NET GAIN.

Avg. hourly earnings, total private in 2000: $13.79
Avg. hourly earnings, total private in 2004: $15.52

Lets see, $15.52 less $13.79 = $1.73... take that amount, divide it by $13.79, results in 12.54 percent increase in hourly wages (checking that math.... yup.... 12 percent increase in 4 years.... that keeps up with inflation for that time....)

So the lefty spin about the quality of the jobs would seem to be disproved by BLS stats....


What was the bad news about the economy again ?? Oh, yeah, for John Kerry and John Edwards the bad news is that the economy ISN'T GETTING worse but really is getting better.

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I'll quit the tit-for-tat logic when people start using a single standard for both Bush and Kerry rather than skewing it because of a dislike for Bush.

I really wouldn't have any problem with that if only you could make the argument somehow apt.


Also, I hate to gloat...wait, no, I love to gloat, check this link:
S.B.V.T. CAUGHT LYING AGAIN!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1963&e=1&u=/ap/20040825/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_critic_swift_boats
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Well, terpfan1980, that would be correct, but the price of Oil is nearing $50/barrel. Leading economists follow the price of oil as an indicator to predict when recessions will occur(i.e. soon). Not to mention that heating oil prices will be putting a squeeze on people in colder climates come this winter. Predictions indicate an average increase of $300/mo. for most families. It's a shame that those wage increases will be going into keeping them alive instead of discretionary spending.

Greenspan has also been employing much more modest interest rate increases than the market is expecting to keep up with inflation - election year politics with monetary policy perhaps?
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$300 a month? What is your thermostat freakin set on? I have a house in Maine
and I only spend half that if there is a Nor' Easter and extremely cold weather. And prices
have been this high before. Fuel is not that large a portion of your monthly bills when
you have two teenagers eating.
Reply #17 Top
I remember in the early 80's the price of oil was $30 a barrel or so, and recently people were saying it was high when it was $39. I wonder how many other commodities have been expected to hold the same price, regardless of inflation, for over 20 years...
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Also, I hate to gloat...wait, no, I love to gloat, check this link:
S.B.V.T. CAUGHT LYING AGAIN!
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1963&e=1&u=/ap/20040825/ap_on_el_pr/kerry_critic_swift_boats


Blaaahh, I've never liked the AP (Associated Press). Good find Deference.
I can just see the AP reporter spending the last week listening to Nixon tapes in a deep dark room of the national archive, hoping to find evidence that he ordered Kerry to Cambodia, then only to finding that tid bit.

But going back for the tit-for-tat, the swifties still showed that Kerry lied in front of Congress. Other Congressmen have been booted for less.