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"It's the end of the world as we know it"

The sky is falling

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Once again our gracious government has issued that "Terrorist's may strike America at any time now", threat level "Paranoid" has just moved up to threat level "Too much Propaganda". As an American I really would like to know if the "Homeland Defense Circus Team" has really thought this out. There's orange, red, yellow, and so on. Next thing you know our leaders will be painting the threat levels in a paint by numbers book, and having the Christian Coalition handing them out on Saturday mornings at six a.m. I mean really people, I think the bulk of the damage has been done on 9/11, why must our government make everyone paranoid. As I write this I think back to the Mcarthy era, where anyone could be a "Communist", and was one if they said one little negative thing about the U.S. government.

I just want you all to remember that our talented government had all the information about who was coming and going prior to the 9/11 attacks, in fact the F.B.I. sent the C.I.A. a memo stating that "Persons on the Terrorist watch list" had entered the United States. Unfortunately for the families of the 9/11 attacks, our government either ignored the warnings, underestimated the resolve of the terrorists, or let it happen. I believe the latter happened, the 9/11 attack was the catalyst in which the U.S. could use to go into Iraq. Once again, I would like to remind you that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the attacks on the twin towers. Everyone who died on 9/11 were expendible, for the greater cause of the United States and its quest for world domination--or a New World Order.

So I watch the nightly news and I see Bush Jr. and then I see Mr. Kerry: What a choice we Americans have! So it comes down to the lesser of the two evils, some choice. Of course there will be independents running, but come on...most of these guys are still in the stages of setting up their Grassroots campaign. Oh, as I shake my head in disgust I wonder why I complain, when I could be trying to make a difference. It seems that my lackluster attempts at acting like a citizen are not forthcoming, therefore I can only consider myself a resident of the United States. Sure I'll vote, but really people, do our votes really count? With the fiasco in Florida, it makes it seem like the president has already been picked. How long will this go on? Who knows, but I can tell you this: nothing last's forever.

As I close today, I look outside and see the sun shining brightly, I wonder if the American people are aware that they are being led into storm of great proportions. I'm hoping that some of "You" the Citizens, will wake up and see bright shining truth...that the United States is founded on lies, slave trade, opium trade, and piracy. We indeed live in a "Free" world, unfortunately "Free" has a different meaning to our leaders.
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
Messy Buu,

And you aren't speaking from your opinion?
What hard evidence do you mean? You mean picking and choosing certain traits from other countries and comparing them with selective traits from the US?


Okay you can double talk all you want, and backtrack. I respect that but please tell me, why hasen't the United States caught the alleged mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks, Osama Bin Laden? After all this guy is like 6'7 and needs to be on a dialysis machine. Here is the hard evidence: Regarding the 9/11 attacks, Iraq was not involved, no weapons of mass destruction were found--No Osama Bin Laden, No Weapons of Mass Destruction. Picking and choosing traits, no I go on whether the President of the United States is getting a B.J. from an intern, or Nixon calling blacks the "N" word. Sure other countries are mired in scandal, but the United States takes them all.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Texas Wahine,

My thoughts are that you're an asshole. But hey, that's just my lowly opinion.


And that's your opinion. I love it you feel threatened and you revert to your Cro-magnon ancestry. Sure calling me a name may make you feel better, but you still can't understand the depth of what I am talking about. It's quite okay, not everyone can. I just hope one day you'll grow up and act like an adult. I've given you all the attention I'm going to give you. Good day. Please stay off my blog, you're contaminating it with your second-grade level literary filth.
Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion
Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Messy Buu,

And what about the countries in which there are plenty of guns in the hands of citizens, such as Israel and Switzerland


Well Israel is in a constant state of war, and every citizen is required to spend two years in the Israeli army. You don't see the Israeli's killing one another do you? Switzerland, has one of the lowest murder rates by handgun. Besides the Swiss make each handgun owner go to class, not just a class, but a class which they must pass to own a handgun.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top

Okay you can double talk all you want, and backtrack. I respect that but please tell me, why hasen't the United States caught the alleged mastermind behind the 9/11 attacks, Osama Bin Laden? After all this guy is like 6'7 and needs to be on a dialysis machine. Here is the hard evidence: Regarding the 9/11 attacks, Iraq was not involved, no weapons of mass destruction were found--No Osama Bin Laden, No Weapons of Mass Destruction. Picking and choosing traits, no I go on whether the President of the United States is getting a B.J. from an intern, or Nixon calling blacks the "N" word. Sure other countries are mired in scandal, but the United States takes them all.


What does bin Laden and 9/11 have to do with any of my comments?


So, when you pick and choose the best traits of other countries and compare them to the worst traits of the United States, you aren't picking and choosing the best traits of other countries and compare them to the worst traits of the United States?


As for the US being the most scandalous country, I'd like to see some actual (and fair) comparisons.


And that's your opinion. I love it you feel threatened and you revert to your Cro-magnon ancestry. Sure calling me a name may make you feel better, but you still can't understand the depth of what I am talking about. It's quite okay, not everyone can. I just hope one day you'll grow up and act like an adult. I've given you all the attention I'm going to give you. Good day. Please stay off my blog, you're contaminating it with your second-grade level literary filth.


Are you resorting to your Cro-Magnon ancestry when you resort to ad hominems?

Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Cro-magnon ancestry




You know what? I've seen you be hateful and condescending to a lot of people, including I might add, people you contend that you support and care so much about (that would be the military).

Please, I am opened minded I reply to each comment. Even yours...though I think you just want to be heard, and your comment really isn't saying much in a way of WHAT YOU THINK, hopefully all of this isn't going over your head.


Try not insulting people from the get-go and maybe you might actually influence someone's opinion. My "asshole comment" might have been a bit harsh, but can you prove otherwise?

Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Messy Buu,

your Cro-Magnon


Then don't comment on my blogs...simple as that. One more thing, I would never curse to make a point.
Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Texas Wahine


You don't have to comment on my blogs either, remember it was you that first commented, personally I really don't care what you think anymore, I have nothing to prove to you. You've shown that you cannot think, like i've commented earlier...stay off my blog, please.
Thank you!
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Then don't comment on my blogs...simple as that. One more thing, I would never curse to make a point.


Is it only considered condescending, childish, and immature if you include cursing?
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
Then don't comment on my blogs...simple as that. One more thing, I would never curse to make a point.


But you do tell people to "shove it." (See "Greatest Show on Earth"). So maybe it's time to soften the rhetoric all around, at least as regards personal attacks, name-calling, genealogy and what have you. Distracts one from the topic under discussion.

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #35 from PolMach Forums Top
Ok so we all have problems with the government. Now I want to hear some solutions! Any ideas at all. If you were President, what would you do?
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
Name one, and which from which church.


Levi Coffin, a Quaker, who assisted more than 3,000 slaves.
Reply #37 from PolMach Forums Top
I have a simple way to solve your problem Michael. Move. Go to another country where you think the government is more honorable and stands for something better than we do. Go to Holland or another western european nation where they have become socialist and marching down a trail to communism. Go to a european nation where your basic rights are restricted. I know go to Iran or Saudi Arabia and abide by there rules? No well how about going to live in Africa under a dictator? Hmmmm No also. Lets see a country in South America? Too underdeveloped eh? Well we are running out of places that could be better than the United States to live. Never, Never in the history of the world has there been a country who has done so much good and asked so little in return. Truly Colin Powell said it best, all we ask for is land to bury our dead. Do we colonize nations we take over? No we rebuild them and make them stronger, then hand them the controls back. Do we terrorize the world? No. I have an idea on how we can see the impact on the good the US does in the world. Lets recall our troops from everywhere and not give another single penny to another country for anything. Lets pull the funding from the UN and pull out of it altogether. Then lets see how long it takes the world to go to heck in a hand basket. How has people been brought up in the greatest nation on the face of the planet, and truly of anytime period, come to hate the country? It is beyond me.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
Jaynik,

Ok so we all have problems with the government. Now I want to hear some solutions! Any ideas at all. If you were President, what would you do?


First off, I would remove All American troops from Iraq and Afganistan. I would also remove troops from Germany, S. Korea, Holland, Japan, and the Phillipines. I would stop foreign aid to all third world countries including the Middle East, Africa, all of Asia. I would concentrate on the domestic problems here at home.

Second, Senior Citizens would get free healthcare...I don't really care if the pharmacutical companies liked it or not. I would create more jobs for the poverty-stricken areas of the nation. How would I do that? I would bring jobs back to the states, I would nullify NAFTA, tax the hell out of any American based company that had factories anywhere but here. There would be incentives and tax breaks for companies who hired a certain amount of people who fell into the bracket of being in poverty. My Vice president would oversee that the bill called "Working America" would ensure that all Americans who wanted to would have work. Government contracts would not go to those who were friends of the government, they would go to those smaller companies so they could grow in size, thus bringing new work to their area. With more people working, I would hope to get the nation's unemployment rate down to 3%, with new jobs brings income, income that could still be taxed to pay for the healthcare for the Senior Citizens.

Third, the U.S. military would have a drastic change, instead of policing the world, they would be for the defense of US, not for the defense of our interests in Oil, land, natural resources, etc. The military would also do more domestic in house "Community Service", such as teaming with Habitat for Humanity to build homes for needy families, visit schools, mentoring programs, outreach programs. I would only allot a certain amount of troops for intervention in certain hotspots if they arose. I would put them with the NATO peacekeeping force. The military would only go to war IF there was a direct threat to the United States, not on any assumptions, and not for things that we had brought onto ourselves.

Look, I don't have all the answers, but I do know this...No more U.S. servicemen should die! Today two more Americans were killed, I really don't know about you...but that's two too many, what have we accomplished? Osama Bin Laden is still running free if he even exists.
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Little_Whip,

LoL @ the praise of Singapore. Yeah, they have a handle on the drug problem, and you can also be jailed and beaten for failing to flush a public toilet, or even possessing a stick of chewing gum.


Okay and your point is? You should have no worries...you don't live in Singapore. Anything else?

If you look up to a totalitarian government like that as something we should emulate, then id consider you too far over the edge of sensibility to be reasoned with.


I don't believe I ever said that. Maybe you're just used to all the garbage that goes on around here and independent thinking is black void you don't care to look into. Maybe if I'm too "Over the edge" you should read a book on what a "Totalitarian" government really is...then get back to me. , you first need to know what you're saying, and not just try to jump onto the bandwagon and disagree just to agree.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
zbuck,


*Yawn* I read your comments over a steaming cup of coffee. As I sip on my black coffee, I put my feet up and smile. At least however misguided you are on your perceptions of the United States, I will give you credit...you are brave enough to spout that propaganda, and sound like a brocure for the Republican Reform Committee. Look, I'm not going to argue with you. Like I told someone else in another post, this country has asked much from my family, and my family being very PATRIOTIC to a fault, has never let this country down. So what you have to say is like beating a dead horse. I will continue to say what I want, and when. Not you or anyone will TELL me or my family what to do, nor can you fool us by sugar-coating everything. Everything you read in the history books isn't always true.
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
zbuck,

Go to Holland or another western european nation where they have become socialist and marching down a trail to communism. Go to a european nation where your basic rights are restricted. I know go to Iran or Saudi Arabia and abide by there rules?


Socialist? Huh? So what is DSHS? I guess that's a free handout right? Gee could that be a form of Socialism? The very things you're talking about we have right here in the states! What are you still doing here? Uh oh, the Patriotic Act? Aren't your basic rights restricted? Can't talk to anyone on a LAN line or on a Cellular phone without electronic ears listening for code words. Gee, the United States embodies some of the very things you talk against, but wait...you didn't even know. Who's the fool now? "A Fool and his freedom, are soon departed."
Reply #42 from PolMach Forums Top
Michael,
Regarding reply #39: I agree that we need to reevaluate our role in the world. The war in Iraq is a boondoggle, and acting as policeman to the world is expensive and creating enemies. However, we simply can't "remove all American troops from Iraq and Afghanistan," as this would not solve anything abroad. We can't just bomb a country and say "that'll learn ya!" As trite as it sounds, we have to leave Iraq "better than we found it." But make no mistake, we should leave Iraq.
We can't stop foreign aid to "third world" countries (incidently, they are "lesser developed nations" as there are no "second world" countries anymore). Stopping important aid would worsen matters abroad. We should, however, strike a more appropriate balance between isolationism and internationalism. To withdraw all support for needy countries would not win us any friends with those who help us (and yes we do get a lot of help abroad--we are one of the largest debtor nations).
Absolutely give health care to seniors. Not just seniors, but all Americans. And make sure it's health care and not health insurance, as insurance is not a guarantee of adequate services or affordablity.
Kill NAFTA and throw in the WTO while you're at it. It costs Americans jobs and it impoverishes nations that it's supposed to benefit.
I too agree that we need to put people to work, but your idea is drifting toward Communist ideals, for better or worse. Moscow used to have a telephone box type building at intersections--it housed the person responsible for changing the traffic signal from red to green. This job was created just to give somebody work. I don't think we need that type of system in this country. A better idea might be to reduce the work week to 30 hours. This enables more people to work as there are more work-hours available. It has been shown that people who work less make better use of their free time--volunteerism would increase, income from travel and tourism would rise, and there may be a decrease in things such as stress-related crime, obesity and other problems found in an overworked population. Production would also decrease, but we make too many things we don't need in this country.
Your last point about the military is a fine one. Your "community service" plan sounds like the Peace Corps, a fine organization that could use more support and volunteers. I'm not a fan of the draft, but I would favor some sort of mandatory civil service, whether that be in the military, Peace Corps, Habitat for Humanity, mentoring, or any other number of programs nationwide or worldwide. I also favor Kucinich's idea of renaming the Department of Defense to the Department of Peace. A little hokey? Yes. But it sends a better message.
Thanks for letting me rant and I look forward to some constructive criticism
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
jdjefferson,

Do you see the problem...these hypothetical ideas are only a drop in the bucket. With every action, there is a reaction. I feel that to have a government system that works we'll need to: Get this...have a hybrid government. Capitalistic, with undercurrents of Socialism, and maybe a sprinkle Democracy. Each of these standing alone does not work, together maybe they'll fill in the gaps of what's needed. No, not everyone will like it...but then again not everyone likes how things are now.
Reply #44 from PolMach Forums Top
I think we need to cut our oil use. We are dependant of countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq and thats how we get into shit like this. We should offer big incentives to companies developing hydrogen powered cars. The only reason we still have gas powered cars everywhere is because of rich oil companies calling the shots.
Reply #45 from PolMach Forums Top
Jaynik-
Yes, curtailing oil use is key. Keep in mind that hydrogen-powered cars are not necessarily the greatest solution. I agree that they are cleaner vehicles (zero emissions), but remember that the key way to extract hydrogen is by breaking it off of water (H2O)--how do you do that? By using oil- and coal-consuming energy. Electric-hybrid vehicles are a better starting point, as well as alternative energies like solar, wind, and water for larger consumer uses (electricity). But back to the point--we need to wean ourselves from the teats of the oil producing nations so we can reduce our desire to protect oil assets.

MichaelProteus-
Are you suggesting a utopia? Actually, I think our current system has all those things you want (careful about wanting too much Capitalism, as that is what got you started on this whole thread to begin with)--the problem is that our system is too easy to corrupt and manipulate.
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
Jaynik,

think we need to cut our oil use. We are dependant of countries like Saudi Arabia and Iraq and thats how we get into shit like this. We should offer big incentives to companies developing hydrogen powered cars. The only reason we still have gas powered cars everywhere is because of rich oil companies calling the shots


You forget that America also has reserves and the Alaskan pipe line. I wish we as a nation we were not so dependent on oil, but the fact is not only are people in the Middle East getting rich, but oil companies in America are getting rich to. To make those cars would drive these people out of business, unfortunately I have a feeling that the greed of a few will prevent that from happening for a while. I totally agree with you.
Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
jdjefferson,

Are you suggesting a utopia? Actually, I think our current system has all those things you want (careful about wanting too much Capitalism, as that is what got you started on this whole thread to begin with)--the problem is that our system is too easy to corrupt and manipulate


Utopia, no. But something more tangible in regards to a central government that looks out for its citizens, and not using them as pawns. We can never escape Capitalism, Capitalism in itself is not bad, but in excess of one thing is. You're right, our system is corrupt and being manipulated everyday...and the average citizen usually gets the shaft. Like I said, a little bit of of those three things...and maybe or maybe not. Who knows, but I do know this...our current system is not working.
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
You're right, our system is corrupt and being manipulated everyday...and the average citizen usually gets the shaft.


This is so screwy, Michael. It's the average citizen who gets the opportunity. Any government which provides for all my needs will make sure I don't exceed my fair share, guaranteed. Defined by someone else, guaranteed. Meaning opportunity will be denied. It's not possible to have it both ways. The opportunity to succeed cannot be divorced from the risk of failure. Should we have some sort of safety net so our most disadvantaged or unfortunate don't suffer needlessly? Absolutely, and we have one. It's just not 100% controlled and manipulated by a central government, it's a roiling stew of thousands of private and public agencies that exist thanks to the generosity of individuals and the wisdom of our elected representatives. You are so "glass half empty." Relentlessly. I'm hard pressed to find anything positive about America in your writing. With all it's faults, and I readily admit there are many, there is nowhere else I would want to go and no other political system to which I would wish to be subject. OK... Australia, maybe (no offense, Mugazz!).

Cheers,
Daiwa
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
Or how about the United States dropping an Atomic bomb on Hiroshima? The U.S. did not drop it on any military installations, they dropped it on an entire city. Say what you will, but when you kill innocent people on PURPOSE it's not COLLATERAL damage it's TERRORISM.


You do realize why we did that, don't you? Or are you just using it as propoganda? Since, if you knew anything about American tactics in the 2nd World War, you would have realized how many millions of Japanese soldiers and civilian Japanese would have died? How many American soldiers would have perished in the attack to take the Japanese capital? Seeing, as, that the Japanese fought to the death.... all of them? Civilians... Soldiers... everyone? Invading would have been next to exterminating the ENTIRE Japanese culture and people.

You don't see the Israeli's killing one another do you


I'm sure there are plenty of native Israelites fighting for Palistine.... And vice versa. Generalizations tend to be a bad thing.

Really, honestly, these other countries that have all these better things.... are they better countries? How can you make a comparison like that? Maybe you should make a list. It probably would only have seven to eight hundred points to compare... Better start now.

EDIT: Interesting name, Proteus. Acording to my Roman and Greek mythology, Proteus was a god that could change his shape at will... I think. Does this name represent an everchanging person, or a person hiding behind the disguise of something else? Are you Proteus?
Peace,

Beebes
Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
OK... Australia, maybe (no offense, Mugazz!).


None taken Daiwa

Michael - I find your stance very admirable, and I hate to show a defeatist attitude here, but the things you are saying should happen, never will. The best you can hope for as a person is live to your personal ideals. I think I have told you before, It's good to know there are people like you in America who aren't blindly led, but you have to acknowledge, the right aren't a bunch of imbeciles, they are all quite clever and adapt at getting what they want...

The only way America is going to change is a big fucking flood, earthquake, something catastrophic, and I can see the current climate in America pains you greatly, I can see you love you country, and you are somewhat ashamed, dont be ashamed though, just be the best person you can be, lead by example, and you never know, as long as you reach at least one person, you have done alright.

BAM!!!