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"Real rich people figure out how to dodge taxes," – Bush

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"Real rich people figure out how to dodge taxes," – Bush

what a fantastic attitude for the President!

from JoeUser Forums
I don’t live in America, but the entitled statement was made by none other than George W Bush on the campaign trail in Washington on Monday.

If I was Middle America, I would be concerned. It doesn't take a genius to work out the the ridiculously rich can avoid taxes...

What kind of logic is behind such a statement, why do I have the mental image in my head of Cletus the slack jawed yokel merged with that of George W. Bush making such a profound remark?

It would seem that G.W. Bush is well aware of all the tax breaks the rich have found and made for themselves, as I am sure he has exercised his right to exploit said tax breaks on occasion in the past… however, If I was a voting citizen in the upcoming elections in November, I wouldn’t be asking why the rich aren’t taxed, I would be asking why nothing is being done to eradicate these loop holes in the tax system so the ‘rich’ cannot dodge the taxes.

I don’t know, it would just be apparent that George W. Bush has given up on the people of America… maybe it’s just too hard for him to get taxes out of the rich, so he has just given in and excused him self from the task… It’s ok... the rich pay enough already, and the poor don’t pay enough – the poor are the ones that use all the taxes anyway!!!

Sound’s like you have quitter for a President. If not a quitter... his priorities are definitely out of whack.

"Lawmakers have the power to close loopholes that tax cheats use," - Muggaz.

BAM!!!
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
Americans should look to the UK tax system to learn how to tax the populace. It is very fair and proportional, but I still won't contribute as I bribe numerous tax inspectors every year!
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top

I agree with Muggaz that the senate seems very corrupt.  And where does Kerry come from? The senate.

And lowering taxes can increase government revenue because it frees capital for investement which grows at a higher rate than inflation.

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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
The first question should be, what is the ethical basis for saying that one person should pay 10X more for the same services as another person?


But government isn't a service so it isn't correct to compare it to services like cable is it?

There has to be a significant reward in exchange for that risk and stress. If you take it away, then people like me who create jobs have less icentive to keep doing that and go find a "regular" job.


Brad, you know what a strawman is, so why do you use it as an arguing tactic so often? No one has argued that there shouldn't be rewards for risks.
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top

How exactly is that a strawman argument?

When people villianize the rich they are implicitly saying that the rich somehow became rich from illgotten ways. YOU may not believe that but I've spoken to many people over the years who believe that wealthy people almost always do shady things to get that way.

The whole point of having the superintendent make $80k and the kitchen worker making $12k is to create an incentive for people to try to gain the skills to be more than a kitchen worker. Because, as a society, the more skills we have, the more opportuniteis we create for ourselves AND others.

That kitchen worker isn't very likely to be creating any new jobs.  The superintendent, by contrast, by his function, creates jobs. As a society, we need people who create wealth (one way or the other). Public employees (like superintendents) aren't very good examples because they're not really subject to market forces like the private sector typically is. But it's the same general thing.  We need people to create wealth. Either by creating jobs, inventing new things, or creating new opportunities.

As we sit back in our air conditioned houses running our personal computers running all kidns of various software talking over a cable modem or whatever via the Internet, those thigns were created by people who had amassed valuable skills. And material benefit is a great motivator to get people to aquire those skills. Skills that, ultimately, we all benefit from.  Even the kitchen worker.

Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top

But government isn't a service so it isn't correct to compare it to services like cable is it?

The government's not a service? What exactly do you imagine the government is? It's a service provider. What are my tax dollars being used for?

Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top
How exactly is that a strawman argument?


Bahahahaa! My mistake. When I reread what I wrote here I became totally confused. I couldn't figure out why I said that. Finally I remembered that I had been reading another blog at the same time as this one (I do that when JU server gets really slow). The discussion there coverered similar issues and you were saying similar things there and so I got everything mixed up.

The first question should be, what is the ethical basis for saying that one person should pay 10X more for the same services as another person?


I confused this one as well with one where you list cable and phone services in your example, but here you didn't. You are essentially saying the same thing you just presented it differently. That's why my reply mentioned cable even though it's not in the quote I made of your argument.

Anyway, since I just totally bothced things up I am just going to go stand over there and work on getting my foot out of my mouth.
Reply #57 from PolMach Forums Top
I am extremely wealthy but still I pay in the name of tax. Every year I have to spend on hookers and holidays for numerous tax inspectors from our dear old Inland Revenue, all in the name of tax evasion!

Don't say the rich don't pay through the nose my dear boy.


Dammit! I'm gone several months and "Sir Peter Maxwell" still hasn't been booted off this site. For God's sake, would the admin. please do something about his bogus pathetic butt and ban his i.p. ? There isn't anything more depressing to me than some 'net poser pretending to be someone he isn't. I wouldn't mind so much if he had anything of value to contribute, but his constant grabs for attention nearly ruin the otherwise decent debate on this 'site. I simply hope everyone has had the ability to ignore his plaintive mewings for focus on him then the discussion. Off topic, I know, but the fact that such individuals are still hanging around makes me disappointed and sad for him and those having to put up with him.
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top
There isn't anything more depressing to me than some 'net poser pretending to be someone he isn't


And there isn't anything more funny than watchin' someone get worked up over a 'net poser'!

Now Deference - do you actually have anything of value to add to the debate? or are you just fueling the fire?

Jolly good show old chap!!!

For England and Saint George!!!

BAM!!!
Reply #59 from PolMach Forums Top
What a cheap shot, Muggaz. If you look over my other posts, you'll see that I am serious about taking part. Why don't you take the high road instead of the obvious and incendiary. Can you think of a good reason to keep idiots around, better yet, why side with them and act just as immaturely? Bam, indeed. Loser.