Bush losing support from moderate republicans

I should point out that the article states at the bottom that its not as big of a crossover number as the "Reagan Democrats" were.

Well, it would have to be a pretty big migration equal the Reagan Democrat movement.

And I hope as this goes on, more and more come into the light! Bush needs to go.

Interviewing a handful of people is hardly a trend. About 90% of Republicans support Bush.

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Actually... Its closer to 80% but then again republicans are like sheep.

Depends on what you call "moderate", i know people who call themselves moderate that are way left of the Democratic platform. Most of the people at the Democratic convention are further left than that platform. Kerry certainly is.

In that light, sure, you might talk some people into believing that they are further left than Bush, but in the end I think people see the distance between themselves and the two candidates philosphically, and only a small minority can overlook it long enough to vote for Kerry over a single issue or two.

No one can look at Kerry's congressional history and call him "moderate". In truth, when comparing records Bush leans further left of his party than Kerry leans right. In that light, I can't see how anyone really "moderate" could make an informed decision to choose Kerry.

" Actually... Its closer to 80% but then again republicans are like sheep."

, i think if you are talking about people who interest themselves with politics to fit in, I think you'll find the numbers fall easily on the activist/protester/anti-Bush side. I think the celebrity-worshipping, glamor-sensitive Democratic Party gets a lot more support from the nodding, peer-pressure plagued masses than the Republican Party. You don't parade Ben Affleck and all the rest out there to woo people intellectually.

No, I think "sheep" are the kind of people who would be afraid to say what they really think because they want to be accepted by the herd. I think socially insecure folks who choose their political ethos to feel accepted are soundly more often Democrats. I can't speak about my political beliefs in a social setting without some twit railing at me. Would a sheep pick such an ethos? I don't think so.

BakerStreet....What have you been smoking??? Bush LEFT Leaning????? He probably wont even take a left turn in traffic....and his record reflects that.

And the GOP does the same with Tom Selleck, Bruce Willis, etc. Both parties use celebs to sell their beliefs to the masses.. The Dems are a factional bunch, always have been, always will be. So i hardly think you can call them sheep.

When i was volunteering for the Clark campaign ( in Utah, the most gung ho neo-con republican state in the US. Remember, Orrin Hatch is our senator) We had many of those folks coming over to us because Bush's stance on a lot of issues scared the hell outta them. The best way it was described to me was from a mormon bishop. He said he loved the GOP, but Bush 2.0 scared the hell outta him.

Not all rebublicans are blind folowers. They have agendas that differ. But as far as this election goes, the majority of them are blindly following GWB. Im still upset with John McCain for not running against him. I like Sen. McCain, and would probably vote for him if he were in the general election.

I should say that i had quite a few drinks when i wrote that last night...lol

I like Sen. McCain, and would probably vote for him if he were in the general election.

McCain is one of the "sheep" that supports Bush.

The % of Democrats that support Kerry is close to Bush's percentage, it is around 85%. Are they sheep too? Why is it that someone who supports GWB is a blind follower?

What were the issues that Republicans in Utah differed with Bush on?

McCain is loyal to the GOP. I dont think he likes bush and vise versa. Especially after 2.0 tried to roll back his campaign reform act.

CNN had an interesting poll the other day that showed the potential crossovers from each party. I will look it up and post it if i can find it.

And the Mormon repubs that i was referring to felt that Bush had lied about Iraq, the Patriot act was wayy too intrusive, (you have to take into consideration that they were once persecuted by the US government) and Bush 2.0 was not behaving like the so called "fiscal conservative" he claims to be by racking up a deficit that our grandkids will be paying off long after we are all dead and gone. The majority of the Mormons do support Bush 2.0, but then again they supported Nixon too!

And the GOP does the same with Tom Selleck, Bruce Willis, etc. Both parties use celebs to sell their beliefs to the masses.. The Dems are a factional bunch, always have been, always will be. So i hardly think you can call them sheep.

I never realized that disunity was such a desirable trait.

Not all rebublicans are blind folowers. They have agendas that differ. But as far as this election goes, the majority of them are blindly following GWB. Im still upset with John McCain for not running against him. I like Sen. McCain, and would probably vote for him if he were in the general election.

Most Democrats are "blindly" supporting John F. Kerry because he's not Bush. Would you also call them sheeps?

I'm still upset that Hillary Clinton didn't run against Kerry. I like Hillary Clinton and I would vote for her, but I'd never vote for John Kerry. Of course, I understand why neither she nor John McCain ran for President this election.

>>Most Democrats are "blindly" supporting John F. Kerry because he's not Bush. Would you also call them sheeps?>>
Not really Joseph. As i said, there will be a significant amount of crossover votes going both ways this year. What i meant is the GOP'ers are not questioning some of the things this president has done in his term. Thats the difference between the dems and the GOP. We always question, the GOP NEVER does. Watergate, Iran Contra, Iraq, Haliburton. etc.. The Dems were all over Bubba during the Lewinsky thing.
Except Teddy Kennedy, he knew enough to shut the hell up...lol

And let me get this straight. You would vote for Hillary? Shes as polarizing as Bush 2.0 if not more! And more liberal than Kerry. So i am to assume you're voting for Bush 2.0 instead of Kerry. Is this correct?

Well i would vote for the devil himself if came down to him or GWB. Not that theres much difference, but the devil will admit hes the devil! (i know im gonna pay for that one)

Not really Joseph. As i said, there will be a significant amount of crossover votes going both ways this year. What i meant is the GOP'ers are not questioning some of the things this president has done in his term. Thats the difference between the dems and the GOP. We always question, the GOP NEVER does. Watergate, Iran Contra, Iraq, Haliburton. etc.. The Dems were all over Bubba during the Lewinsky thing.

I've noticed that the Democrats haven't done much questioning of John F. Kerry. Has their policy changed lately?

I also thought it was the Republicans that impeached Clinton for perjury. Next time somebody says that it was childish to impeach Clinton a little white lie, I guess that I should remind them to focus their blame on the Democrats.

And let me get this straight. You would vote for Hillary? Shes as polarizing as Bush 2.0 if not more! And more liberal than Kerry. So i am to assume you're voting for Bush 2.0 instead of Kerry. Is this correct?

Yes. Anybody but Kerry.

Well i would vote for the devil himself if came down to him or GWB. Not that theres much difference, but the devil will admit hes the devil! (i know im gonna pay for that one)

That's why I'll choose George Bush and Hillary Clinton over John Kerry. They both have many flaws, but Kerry is the King of Kings when it comes down to insincerity and dishonesty.

And you believe that Bush is honest?

Actually Joseph, Bush 2.0 is. And on top of that, hes a bit of a doofus.

>>I also thought it was the Republicans that impeached Clinton for perjury. Next time somebody says that it was childish to impeach Clinton a little white lie, I guess that I should remind them to focus their blame on the Democrats.>>

Ok this is just silly. The GOP led congress conducted a 70 Million dollar witch hunt with whitewater trying to impeach him on the grounds he pulled some financial hanky panky. Turns out all they could get him on is some real hanky panky. It was a moral issue. Some dems voted for impeachment, some republicans did not.

And you believe that Bush is honest?

More honest than Kerry.

Ok this is just silly. The GOP led congress conducted a 70 Million dollar witch hunt with whitewater trying to impeach him on the grounds he pulled some financial hanky panky. Turns out all they could get him on is some real hanky panky. It was a moral issue. Some dems voted for impeachment, some republicans did not.

Wasn't it you that said: "The Dems were all over Bubba during the Lewinsky thing." Are you now saying that the Republicans were also over that, disproving your statement: "We always question, the GOP NEVER does."

What i meant was the GOP never questions their own leadership, with the exception of McCain. Last time i checked the Dems and the GOP were seperate political parties.

And Bush is the most dishonest president to come down the pike since Warren Harding and or Tricky Dick Nixon. His entire "regime" is based on lies. He said he would have a balanced cabinet. which is Lie#1 He said that he was a fiscal conservative. Lie #2. Iraq. Lie #3 He said he was a uniter. Lie #4. The economy is getting better and jobs are being created. Lie #5 Shall i go on?

And for the record, i like Hillary, but i dont think i would vote for a junior senator with one term under her belt for president. VP yes President no.

Arent we getting a tad off subject here? This thread is supposed to be about moderate repubs voting for Kerry. If you like we can start another one. I'm as much to blame on it deviating as much as anyone else...lol

McCain is loyal to the GOP.

He is not. In fact, you singled him out as the "only" GOP member who questions the leadership.

Bush had lied about Iraq, the Patriot act was wayy too intrusive, (you have to take into consideration that they were once persecuted by the US government) and Bush 2.0 was not behaving like the so called "fiscal conservative" he claims to be

When did Bush claim to be a fiscal conservative? By the way, John Kerry voted for the war and the Patriot Act. Also, Kerry wants to spend even more money on new iniatives lilke health care.

And more liberal than Kerry.

Actually, according to the National Journal Kerry has the most liberal voting record in the Senate.

When did Bush claim to be a fiscal conservative

During the 2000 campaign.

according to the National Journal Kerry has the most liberal voting record in the Senate

That's a common belief, but it's a distortion. It is true *only* if you look at 2003, in which Kerry missed a whole bunch of votes because he was campaigning to be president.

If you exclude that year, then Kerry tends to bounce between being tenth and twentieth most liberal. Edwards is often in the thirties.

Thank you Vincible... i was feeling alone on this...lol

I don't remember Bush campaigning on cutting spending. I do remember he campaigned on tax cuts and being a "compassionate conservative".

"I want to take one-half of the surplus and dedicate it to Social Security, one-quarter of the surplus for important projects, and I want to send one-quarter of the surplus back to the people who pay the bills. I want everybody who pays taxes to have their tax rates cut."

That was during the first debate.

"dedicate it to Social Security" means keeping a surplus, paying down the national debt so that America will be better able to deal with the crunch when it comes.

A similar statement was in his stump speech which he gave everywhere in the nation. If you didn't hear about it you weren't paying attention.

He didn't talk about cutting spending, but "a quarter of the surplus" doesn't even *begin* to describe the additional spending, and tax cuts, he's responsible for. The Clinton surplus was, what, $200 billion? And we're $500 billion in deficit now?

That question was about a projected 4.56 trillion dollar surplus over 10 years that never materialized.

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Revenue nosedived Bush's first year in office, thanks largely to the economic bubble bursting.

WOW this thing is taking on a life of its own...gotta love Joeuser!