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Nosey neighbors to the north?

Canadian groups working to oust George W. Bush

July 23, 2004 5:06:23 PM from JoeUser ForumsJoeUser Forums

I got this in my email today:

A concerned Canadian has invited you to join the georgebush.ca petition and stand side by side with other Canadians that believe George W. Bush and his administration need to be voted out of power.

As Canadians, we have a special opportunity to help inform our American friends exactly how Canada feels about the current US government headed by George Bush.

This November 2nd, we can't vote but we certainly can make our voices heard. Join the growing list of Canadians that are against the re-election of George W. Bush!

http://www.georgebush.ca

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Reply #1 July 23, 2004 5:40:41 PM
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Interesting, last time I checked it was our election?
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Reply #2 July 23, 2004 6:14:57 PM
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While I think that other nations have every right to comment on our elections, I think the idea of them trying to influence our elections is somewhere close to declaring war. Canada wanting to play terrorist to our Spain is sickening.
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Reply #3 July 23, 2004 6:58:26 PM
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I think whoever wrote that must have read a book about 'how to win friends and influence people' and taken it a tad too seriously.


Holy heck, what's next?  Offering free vacations to people who will volunteer to vote against Bush?!

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Reply #4 July 23, 2004 8:37:37 PM
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Well, there is the whole matter of the U.S. State Department influencing the 1962-3 Canadian Federal Election...so I think it evens out.

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue43/articles/1962_1963_canada.htm
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Reply #5 July 23, 2004 9:04:42 PM
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Yes, but we saved the world from Nazi Germany and Nazi Japan in 1945, so they still owe us.
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Reply #6 July 23, 2004 9:33:09 PM
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Reply #5 By: Joseph Villagomez - 7/23/2004 9:04:42 PM
Yes, but we saved the world from Nazi Germany and Nazi Japan in 1945, so they still owe us.


Nazi Japan??? More like Imperial Japan....but thats besides the point.

Well whoever wrote this from Canada is doing a bang up job taking a page out of Moveon.orgs playbook, 1/3 off their total membership are not Americans but are from...tada...Europe...and yet this false flagged group is taking direct action in an effort to affect our elections....well hell if Europeans can attempt to directly affect ours...shouldnt we do the same and maybe get European leaders in with some semblence of balls?
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Reply #7 July 23, 2004 10:58:44 PM
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You already do. The US finances thousands of political parties worldwide. The only problem is the voters, who sometimes take a similar line to yours on foreign interference in elections.
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Reply #8 July 23, 2004 11:35:21 PM
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I think the general feeling being expressed here is: Do as we say, not as we do.
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Reply #9 July 23, 2004 11:41:43 PM
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I'll bear that in mind next time some Canadian starts slamming US interference in some country...
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Reply #10 July 23, 2004 11:50:31 PM
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I must be honest and say I do like this site you've linked!
Here's a quote from it....

"The foreign policy of any United States government directly impacts the rest of the world. US voters have the right to know how their northern neighbour, and ally, feels about the current administration's policies."

We cared about who was in power in Iraq, right? Why can't others care about who is in power here?
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Reply #11 July 24, 2004 12:22:25 AM
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Honestly, my first reaction to the site was a shrug, just as it be if someone set up a similar site to collect 2 million signatures to influence the French to get rid Chirac. In the history of online petitions, has any ever achieved their goal?

I think the idea of them trying to influence our elections is somewhere close to declaring war. Canada wanting to play terrorist to our Spain is sickening.


If trying to influence anyone's election was really somewhere close to declaring war, then citizens and sometimes the governments of nearly every country in the world that has the power to do so would be guilty of it every single day.

And since a citizen of a country started an online petition, that whole country is suddenly "somewhere close to declaring war". That's sort of a huge leap in logic, wouldn't you agree.
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Reply #12 July 24, 2004 1:10:05 AM
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And since a citizen of a country started an online petition, that whole country is suddenly "somewhere close to declaring war". That's sort of a huge leap in logic, wouldn't you agree.

Yep. But they are the ones claiming they speak for the entire country...

As Canadians, we have a special opportunity to help inform our American friends exactly how Canada feels about the current US government headed by George Bush.
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Reply #13 July 24, 2004 1:22:43 AM
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Just went to the site and found something interesting... the first name on the list is from:

(Jamestown, RI USA, Overseas)

hmmmm interesting.


And since a citizen of a country started an online petition, that whole country is suddenly "somewhere close to declaring war". That's sort of a huge leap in logic, wouldn't you agree.


Yep. But they are the ones claiming they speak for the entire country...


Well, you got me there... then again, I am sure that at least a few Americans have claimed to speak for the entire country in such terms, wouldn't you agree?

That being said, if the above statement read like the following, would you still have the same objections?

As Canadians, we have a special opportunity to help inform our American friends exactly how a lot of Canadians feel about the current US government headed by George Bush.
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Reply #14 July 24, 2004 1:27:27 AM
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That being said, if the above statement read like the following, would you still have the same objections?

Of course. My statements were made with the intention of being a firebrand. I really don't give a dam what Canadian's think about our election. They are irrelevant.
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Reply #15 July 24, 2004 1:32:51 AM
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Maybe that's exactly what they want you to think...
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Reply #16 July 24, 2004 7:59:15 AM
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Canada is the country to the North? Hmmm....not if you're in Alaska! hehehe J/K
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Reply #17 July 24, 2004 9:01:43 AM
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yall would be fine with it if it was canadians to re-elect bush in 2004. 


as for interfering with elections,  the us government (not just 503 private citizens) has a considerable history of not only attempting to influence legitimate elections but also working actively to undermine legally elected heads of state and replace them with such paragons of democracy as the shah of iran, the diems and general pinochet

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Reply #18 July 24, 2004 10:00:00 AM
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It doesn't bother me if Canadians, or any citizens of any country make public their wish for a different US government.

But at the same time, it'll be hypocritical for them to ever complain about the US meddling in the affairs of other countries. So frankly, I'm glad this site exists.

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Reply #19 July 24, 2004 1:16:54 PM
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Of course, a counter argument could be made based on the scale of meddling... but that is more a matter of semantics than anything.
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Reply #20 July 24, 2004 6:46:06 PM
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When the US meddles, something actually happens.
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