New Testament and Old

A Look at The Differences in Attitute and My Unchanging God

"Did God change and become sweet where He used to be harsh? No, he didn't. God is all-knowing. He knows the past, present and future of everything. God is all-powerful. He is capable of instantly teaching or killing anyone or everyone.

How can we then reconcile God's apparent anger and harshness in the Old Testament and Jesus' Gentleness in the New Testament?

I think an answer might be in the types of people that He was dealing with at the time. During ancient times in the Old Testament, about the only thing that got people's attention was raw power. The most powerful warrior would conquer territories and become King. When a more powerful person came along, that King was killed and the new person became King. Authority was almost synonymous with power.

Given such a prevailing attitude, it makes sense that God didn't actually change. He simply presented a different view of Himself. He presented a spectacular Creation in Genesis, and He regularly "smote" whole armies in an instant to permit victory for His favored Tribes.

Consider a human father who finds the need to reprimand a young child. He might easily attempt to seem extremely harsh and powerful, in order to get necessary lessons across.

By the time that Jesus Walked on Earth, men's attitudes had advanced (a little). Jesus consistently demonstrated and taught Love and Generosity and Gentleness. We then had first-hand experience of the wonderful Lovingkindness of God. That Lovingkindness had always been there, even in the apparently harsh Old Testament God. But, during Old Testament times, such Gentleness would have been perceived as weakness, and God knew that. Therefore, even though He Loved His followers very much, it was not appropriate for Him to show it.

Jesus showed us that it was possible to display Lovingkindness without affecting the sense of incredible power that everyone knew that He had. Even during His trial and Crucifixion, most people seemed to believe that He could have instantly swept all that away, but that He knew that He had to suffer through those experiences in order to fulfill Old Testament prophecy.

Therefore, there is actually no distinction or difference between the attitude or the personality of the Old Testament God and the New Testament Jesus. Our One god just displayed different aspects of His personality as necessary for the people He was interacting with."

I think we agree that God did not change, but the circumstances DID; that's the point I'm trying to make.

And also along with the changes in people and society, grace entered the world in a larger sense. God has always had grace, and HE didn't change, but He did send His son to make it easier. This is the bigger picture I was looking at. It's grace versus legalism. People were bound by the law, is what it comes down to... sacrafices, incense, cleansings, etc etc etc. It's like they were so worried about doing the RIGHT thing (ie: Pharisees) that they weren't really living their lives.

This verse completely sums up the point I'm trying to get across: "I came so that everyone would have life, and have it in its fullest" (John 10:10).

~Sarah
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Excellent!!!!!
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Thanks... I'm glad someone understands what I'm trying to say.

~Sarah
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How can we then reconcile God's apparent anger and harshness in the Old Testament and Jesus' Gentleness in the New Testament?


I like this article, I belive that Jesus and God are one and that although they might seem different, it is the curcumstance that make them seem that way. I don't think God was hard in the Old Testament, he loved his children and took care of them. I agree with what you're saying. I guess I didn't truly understand that God was not being harsh, until I found my Jewish roots and now I have deeper understanding of my God, my Father, the Messiah, Protector, Teacher, and Ruler of the Universe.
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So, would the Holy Spirit be the part of the trinity that is guiding us now, since God, the father, was guiding the Old Testament people, God, the son, was guiding the New Testament people, and well, maybe this would explain why you don't see the extreme miracles you do in the bible? Of course, the miracles are here, they just aren't at the grand scale you would think of for the Bible.

Capt. over and out!
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As we know it's hard to understand how the three are really one, but I believe that the trinity is "guiding" us, as you put it. But, didn't the HS exist in the OT, as well? I'm really thinking He did, although I could be wrong. Look at all the prophesies that came true. Aren't the prophesies the work of the HS?

I'm not sure what you mean about miracles. I think that if we wanted to see miracles like we did in Bible times, we could. Honestly, I think it has a lot to do with people and their mindset. Although, I imagine it was much easier believing when you could see in physically. Faith wasn't as needed when Jesus was on earth, because people could see him, and "faith is the substance of things hoped for the certianty of things not seen." (not exact quote)

~Sarah
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I think the Old Testament talks about the Messiah. There are instances where he appears before men. Yes, I agree with you Sarah.
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What can we say about Old Testament verses such as Exodus 32:27-29, Deuteronomy 21.18-21, Numbers 15.32-36, or Hosea 13:16? How can we reconcile them with Jesus’ words in Luke 6.27? Just food for thought.

My personal opinion is that God remains the same, and man’s understanding and insights have progressed. As man grows spiritually, our perceptions into the nature and will of God advances (i.e. through the OT to the NT) , and we eventually learn that “God is love” (1 John 4.16)
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I don't think God changed, but more so His level of grace. Because Jesus took the ultimate punishment of death for us, we don't have to be stoned and killed for gathering faggots (a bushel of twigs for those of you who are corrupted ) on the Sabbath, and for being disobedient and rebellious. You have very good food for thought though. That does seem like quite a huge contrast between those OT verses and that verse in Luke. Hmm, I agree with you.

~Sarah
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I just thought of something. God said vengence is mine, right? So in those OT verses, God's just using the people to bring out His vengence. So maybe we're supposed to love OUR enemies, those who are enemies for selfish reasons, and when God gives permission and uses us to bring out his wrath he allow it. But then, aren't we made in the image of Christ? Argh, I don't know what I'm getting at. Hmmm

~Sarah
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God gives permission


Sarah, you just made me think of something.

Unconditional love permits all, (otherwise it wouldn't be real love). Maybe those OT verses demonstrate that God permits this kind of behaviour, and still accepts us and loves us as we are. It could be God's way of saying, "It's really okay if you do that. It won't change my love for you."

As to the quote, "Vengence is mine", if Christ had said it, (remember that Christ IS God), it would have meant that Christ absorbed all of God's vengence on our behalf, (i.e. on the cross). Rather than releasing His vengence on us, He released it on His Son. It depends how you interpret it, I suppose. (In other words, rather than saying to mankind, "I release my vengence on you", God says, "I release My vengence on me (Christ)". Thus "Vengence is mine.")
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How about this for food for thought

The old testament G*d showed things physically and then in the New Testament he internalized it. They repented through sacrifices for forgiveness and now it is internalized into the heart. I don't think the people in the old understood these aspects. More of a seeing is believing aspect. Then as you follow the books you can see the development of heart. David with his songs and poems. Then in Ez and Isiah you see internal zeal for G*d. I find it remarkable. It is like evolution of the heart. It was their just G*d had to show it to us through Jesus.
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As we know it's hard to understand how the three are really one, but I believe that the trinity is "guiding" us, as you put it. But, didn't the HS exist in the OT, as well? I'm really thinking He did, although I could be wrong. Look at all the prophesies that came true. Aren't the prophesies the work of the HS?


Yes, the Holy Spirit existed in the OT as well. David repeatedly makes reference to Him throughout the Psalms. There was, however, a substantial difference in the way the HS manifested in the OT and the new. In the OT, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit was temporary (we see examples in the lives of King Saul and King David, among others. In the New Testament, the indwelling is ongoing. The reason for this is rather simple: the Holy Spirit cannot dwell in an unclean vessel. Before Christ came, one had to atone for one's sins at the temple, through a priest. When one became unclean, through sin, the Holy Spirit departed. Because of Christ's sacrifice, we have ongoing atonement, and don't have to worry about the Holy Spirit departing.
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I just thought of something. God said vengence is mine, right? So in those OT verses, God's just using the people to bring out His vengence. So maybe we're supposed to love OUR enemies, those who are enemies for selfish reasons, and when God gives permission and uses us to bring out his wrath he allow it. But then, aren't we made in the image of Christ? Argh, I don't know what I'm getting at. Hmmm


A life in Christ is meant to be a life of absolute surrender. There are repeated references to being a "new creature", being "dead to the law"; the list goes on. Christ also stated "I am the vine, you are the branches". This is significant, as it shows that we as Christians are to be utterly surrendered, utterly dependent on him (I can preach this easier than I can do it, I must admit).

Absolute surrender means that nothing we have and are is God's (Andrew Murray wrote an excellent book on the subject, entitled "Absolute Surrender"; another recommended source on the subject is Deitrich Bonhoeffer's "The Cost of Discipleship"). If nothing we have and are is God's, that would include our pride. Vengeance is, among other things, acting on our pride. If someone offends me, it is not an offense against me, it is an offense against God (see the conversion of Saul [the apostle Paul] in Acts for more proof of this), and it is God's to avenge, not mine.