Change, Democrats can't say it enough.

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From Hilary Clinton, to Barack Obama, to Randy Roe. If I got a dime for every time Democrats say the word change, I'd make Donald Trump bank accounts look like chunk change. But when Democrats talk about change, what exactly do they mean? I mean, don't we always want change every time we are looking to vote for a new President? Even when we vote for the same person for 2 terms, don't we hope they make changes to that they didn't change the first time around? But when we say we want change, what kind of change are we really looking for?

 

Is what the Democrats offer really the kind of change we want simply because Bush is Republican? Are we gonna chose a candidate based on the idea that because the current President is a Republican, that somehow a Democrat should be able to make me happy? I'm sorry but even though our choices for the next President are about as great as a Corvette on a 15 MPH zone, I just can't shack the thought of taking my hand out of the fire just to stick it into the grinder. But hey, that's just me opinion. This is American, and you have the right to vote for who you think is the best choice for your personal gain. After all, don't most of us Americans vote for our own personal reasons and not necessarily for the country's personal benefit? Think about it, why would a poor person vote for a Democrat if not for self benefit, if not for envy of what rich people have, if not for wanting something they don't have to work for to earn. Take it as you may, but sometimes the truth hurts. The proof will most likely be found in the comments below.

 

As Schnitt put it today, McCain may not be my choice between the current Republican candidates, but if he wins, I am not voting for Hilary or Obama.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

Change is not a new chorus in an election.  "More of the same" never got anybody excited to get out and vote. 

 

Anne Coulter said that if McCain got the Republican nom. that she would campaign for Hilary.  Now that I would like to see - lol.

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
Change is not a new chorus in an election. "More of the same" never got anybody excited to get out and vote.


I don't know about you but I ate my moms cooking for 18 years and you know what, I could go on for another 20. More of the same motivates me, as long as the same is good. Sorry to say that while change is a must in our current Gov't, I want good change and neither of the Democrats represent good change to me. It would not be more of the same, it would be a worse version of what we currently have. Kinda like going from Windows XP to Windows Millenium.

Anne Coulter said that if McCain got the Republican nom. that she would campaign for Hilary. Now that I would like to see - lol.


Hypocrisy at it's finnest. Nothing but a spot light greedy hog. People like her don't know how to stand still for long periods of time, they are easily influenced by someones comments as oppose to standing their ground.

Frankly anything but a shrub


 :NOTSURE:  I guess I can't always understand everyones opinion.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
A vote for McCain would be a vote against Obama or Hillary in my case, whilst holding my nose, then heading straight for the decontamination room.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

The Democrat candidates do want change.  Hillary wants a change to socialism, Obama wants a "passing of the torch" kind of change.  McCain wants to change to be a Democrat, and it looks like he made it. ;~D

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
A vote for McCain would be a vote against Obama or Hillary in my case, whilst holding my nose, then heading straight for the decontamination room.


exactly, in the end it would seem that we will have to chose between a Democrat and an almost Democrat and considering I don't agree with Hilary or Obama more than I do with McCain, it's obvious the the least Democratic candidate is the one for me.

The Democrat candidates do want change. Hillary wants a change to socialism, Obama wants a "passing of the torch" kind of change. McCain wants to change to be a Democrat, and it looks like he made it. ;~D


Kinda funny how change is the key word in today's elections when most people love making excuses not to have to change. Gotta wonder how that works.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top

If it comes down to McCain and Hillary. The choice will be how much liberalism do you want.

 

 

Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
I won't vote for McCain. I'd rather the Democrats take the full blame of their idiotic policies.
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
while change is a must in our current Gov't, I want good change and neither of the Democrats represent good change to me.


Wy dont you tell us what represents a "good change" to you charles?

why would a poor person vote for a Democrat if not for self benefit, if not for envy of what rich people have, if not for wanting something they don't have to work for to earn. Take it as you may, but sometimes the truth hurts.


and if he is a selfless, goodhearted and hard working poor he should vote for a republican then?

and what are the basis on which you vote charles?

truth sure hurts, but some people lost even the sensation to feel the hurt and the sense to see the truth.







Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
They're looking to shake the 'change' out of everyones pockets.

McCain might be able to stop it. If you cant understand the difference between Hillary, Obama and McCain, it wouldn't take long after the election for you to wake up. socialized medicine, failed security policies, new gun legislation, 'world Islamic summits,' partial birth abortion, and at least 1 more Ruth Bader Ginsberg, etc.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
at least 1 more Ruth Bader Ginsberg


Eeeuuuuh. God what a scary thought.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
I won't vote for McCain. I'd rather the Democrats take the full blame of their idiotic policies.


Good to see you consider voting for a Democrate, Draginol.

I'm curious, though, what policies of the Republican party over the last eight years have been particularly successful? It seems to me since Clinton left office, our economy is in the shitcan, our debt has gone ballistic (while we now owe our children's future to the Chinese government), and while a damned interminable war is costing us today nearly 500 billion dollars. Yeah, let me have more of this crap. I like Exxon to make 40 billion dollars profit in a single year while everyone else suffers to get to work.

If anyone today votes Republican he or she should hide in utter shame.
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Wy dont you tell us what represents a "good change" to you charles?


Sure. Start doing what is good for the country, not for themselves. You may think that what Republicans are doing is bad for the country but in reality it only hurts those who do not wish to try harder to better themselves. I'm one of those people who believes that people could do better than they are today if they only tried harder, I am proof of that. We spend too much time trying to put feather pillows under peoples feet so they don't get hurt when they fall that we eliminate the lesson that could be learned from the fall. Why does anyone have to learn to do anything when we have people like Hilary and Obama who wanna give them everything without having to work for it. Why should my kids go to college if they wanna give them free healthcare, more welfare money, free daycare services and even help them buy a a house and pay for it.

We are not helping people by giving them everything with little or no effort. We are creating a nanny state that will be full of babies who will need everything done for them and when those with the money paying for this realize that it's pointless to continue to do the work they will either shutdown or leave and that will hurt the country more.

and if he is a selfless, goodhearted and hard working poor he should vote for a republican then?


He should vote for who will make him/her a better person, who will better their financial situation. Not continue to be poor while getting assistance from the Gov't.

and what are the basis on which you vote charles?


I vote based on who offers the closest to what I believe in cause we do not live in a perfect world and I have to accept that things won't always be the way I would like them to be. But hell I am not gonna go for that which will be worse than what is possible.

truth sure hurts, but some people lost even the sensation to feel the hurt and the sense to see the truth.


The truth doesn't hurt anymore. Thru out the years people have learned to deal with the truth and replace it with a fantasy they believe is real. The only person worse than a lying politician is the person lying to themselves just so they can trick themselves into believing that what's wrong is not really happening. People don't care anymore, if they did we would not be where we are today.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
I like Exxon to make 40 billion dollars profit in a single year while everyone else suffers to get to work.


It's quite a stretch to say the economy is in the "shitcan", or that "everyone" is suffering to get work.  This is the typical exaggeration about U.S. domestic policies that are the highlight of the DNC talking points.

Let me guess....Exxon should just hand out paychecks to Americans?


our debt has gone ballistic


Yes, and democrats and their national healthcare, matching retirement funds, $5000 per person born, etc. will definitely stop that!


Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top

I wont vote for Hillary, period.  I have to look at myself in the mirror each day.

I will probably vote for McCain, but if Obama gets it, it will be a tough choice.  I at least agree with some of McCain's stands, and almost none of Obama's.  At this point they are both politicians, and as such their word is worth nothing.  But at least I have some respect for them.

If the primaries continue as they appear today, this will be the first time since 1960 that a sitting senator was elected president.  And that will probably be the only similarity.

Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
It's quite a stretch to say the economy is in the "shitcan", or that "everyone" is suffering to get work. This is the typical exaggeration about U.S. domestic policies that are the highlight of the DNC talking points.


Do you really think so? Even your idol, Mr. Bush says the economy is dire and needs a massive handout. I really think you should consider voting democrat.

Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
Do you really think so? Even your idol, Mr. Bush says the economy is dire and needs a massive handout. I really think you should consider voting democrat.


He just did. He said he might vote for McCain. :~D
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
I really think you should consider voting democrat.


Sure! Everyone knows throwing gas on a fire will put it out. ;)
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
Island Dog, you seem to think that the Republican Party is still the party of fiscal responsibility. They are not. Obama wants to reinstate a pay as you go policy.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Obama wants to reinstate a pay as you go policy.


If memory serves me correctly - since it was so long ago, it seems the democrats promised the same thing when they took control of congress. And that lasted.....hmmmm....how long?

I just hope Obama has not been corrupted by DC yet. That is the only thing he has going for him right now.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Do you really think so? Even your idol, Mr. Bush says the economy is dire and needs a massive handout. I really think you should consider voting democrat.


Bush is not my idol, not even close. Bush isn't a conservative no more than McCain is. Hence the massive handout we have.

Why should I consider voting democrat?

I don't want higher taxes on myself or my employers....
I don't want to be less secure from islamic terrorism in the name of political correctness...
I don't want national healthcare that will make a problem who knows how many times worse...
I can go on and on....


Island Dog, you seem to think that the Republican Party is still the party of fiscal responsibility. They are not. Obama wants to reinstate a pay as you go policy.


You are half right. Republicans are out of control spenders, no doubt. However, at least they aren't proposing massive healthcare and more entitlements.

Obama wants a......certain class to pay as you go policiy. Lets get that straight right now.

Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
I just hope Obama has not been corrupted by DC yet. That is the only thing he has going for him right now.


I think when people really start looking at Obama they will see he is a poltiician as any other.  This whole "he's different" attitude just makes me laugh.


Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
I think when people really start looking at Obama they will see he is a poltiician as any other.


The devil you know vs the devil you do not. He is the don't know.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
Do you really think so? Even your idol, Mr. Bush says the economy is dire and needs a massive handout. I really think you should consider voting democrat.


I find it interesting how so much alike Democrats and Republicans are and at the same time so different. Both parties want people to have more money in their pockets. The difference is the Republicans want people to keep more of their hard earned money, Democrats want people keep more of someone else's hard earned money. Sure Bush wants to hand out someone else's money to everyone who qualifies, but that hardly qualifies him as doing what the Democrats want. Sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures, even if it means compromising to the will of the Democrats.

I like Republicans because from the party I get the feeling of earning my just deserves. I have to work for what I want and I deserve to keep as much of it as possible. With the Democrats I get the feel of being a baby who has everything handed to them, who doesn't have to lift a finger to earn my just deserves. Another thing both parties have in common they both tend to like one group of people over the other, Republicans like people with money more than people with very little or none, Democrats like people with very little or none than those with money, especially when they have lots of it.

I wanna do what i think is best not only for my country but for the world, that includes rich and poor people. I'm just not a firm believer that handing things to people without them making any effort except the lines at your local Gov't office, will make them better people. Rich children are considered spoiled brats cause they are seen as not working for what they have, don't you think the same can be said for poor people who get things for free and not having to work for them from the Gov't out of the pocket of those who worked to pay for it?

I don't know Sodaiho, you seem to have your heart in the right place, but even God says "do not steal" and taking by force (by law) more from people who believe they are giving enough as oppose to asking them to give more is, as described in a dictionary, to:

"take without the owner's consent;" Link