I know. I just prefer to call him Captain Baldy.

And of course the Enterprise had phasers. They were just ineffective and they needed a more powerful weapon.

Did you even see 'The Best of Both Worlds'? They're easily the two best TNG episodes.

dchan this is a Work in Progress. There is alot of things that are hardwired into the game and that cannot be changed. The time period for this is the Dominion war  that happened throughout DS9. Stress said before the Connie was put into the game as a colony ship just to be in the game because well he wanted it there. What version of this mod are you using exactly?

Hey I've got a suggestion for the MOD. Make the capital ships cruisers, all of them except the sovereign, neghvar, dderdix and enslaver, those would be the only buidable cap ships and the strongest of all in the fleet.  My reasoning for this is two fold: one it forces the AI to build more of people favorite ships and would help to solve the problem of all of your cap ships in a battle being targeted first.  With just one cap ship the AI doesn't seem to focus all of it's attacking fleets attention to it, thus it would survive longer without needing to be uber'd up.  Of course if you roll into battle with a bunch of sovereign's then it's not much of a change. 

Anyway I came to this conclusion after "tweaking" Stress and Shimmers mod a little bit (I won't spread it and respect the authors rights).  I started by combining my favorite Romulan, Federation and klingon ships into the Fed race, a total of 27 ships with 9 frigates, 9 cruiser and 9 cap ships.  i played against the Dominion like that for while and then turned the Borg on and made them a playable faction.  What i realized when I turned on the Borg is that the AI doesn't want to build unless they have at least one Cap ship, so I gave them one just so they would expand and expand they did!  They built several of the single cap ship i gave them and they also built all of the frigates and cruisers (except the coffin for some reason).  next I decided to experiment with the Fed's and klink's. I gave them each just one cap ship and the same thing happened.  The problem I keep running into is i still haven't figured out how to make the cap ships in the game cruisers, still looking through all the files to figure out what needs to be edited.  but what I'm getting at is you could make the cap ships cruisers and move them into the frigate factory, there can be a max of 9 slots so that would absorb the extra ships. 

The last reason for my idea is the AI usually only builds a couple different types of cap ships.  Sometimes it will build all of them (mayabe) but generally just one of each.  So this would throw a little more variety into the mix.

Ok so in closing I just want to say that this is a suggestion only and not a complaint.  The game plays great the way you guys made it and if I or anyone else is just not satisfied then i guess I'll just have to learn to MOD myself!  Thanks for the game guys.

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Version 1.0 of what?

From the first post, which is also repeated on every page:

version 1.00 of the game...

Also, I would like to make this consideration before judging this suggestion.

I think that the Federation should be Tec because

• the federation is build of several planets and races
• the federation buildings and ship are more angular than the other races
• Klingons and other races ships are manned by their own races where the federation is manned by serveral races, valcans, bajorans, people with blue skins (don't know who they are called), betazoid

Also for the buildings, this my suggestion

• when building research facilities, federation research should be on science vessel
• the federation ship building should be much bigger to be able to house them, or build a star dock instead
• for repairing, there should be large docking ports, and should take a while

what i meant by this is that i would place all of the files into the c:\Program Files whether into the gameinfo, sounds and etc. would it still work?

the guys in blue are bolians, like darkshimmer said when the mod is complete it wont matter if the feds r advent or tec they will have there own research and structures as will the other races.

It is just mearly a suggestion, no need to nuts about it

Well I was able to do what I suggested in my previous post a few replies up on this page.  I was able to make all the Cap ships cruisers or "heavy frigates" except the Sovereign, Neghvar, DDredix and Enslaver which I left in the Cap ship factory.  I moved them into the frigate factory, saved and fired up the game.  It works great if you have it on Hard or Unfair.  The AI built lots and all of the new cruisers and built the other ships as well.  On a medium map it would typically build only two Capital ships so you might only have two Sovy's running around.  I removed the level up ability from the new cruisers so they would not become more powerfull than an actual cap ship.  The process was easy once I figured out you could just use a HeavyFrigate entity file as a template and copy paste the necessary info. 

Anway so what I'm getting at is the fights were more diverse, the single strongest cap ship that can level up is still a force to be reckoned with on the battle field and now that you have other powerfull cruisers as targets the AI doesn't force it's entire fleet to fire on one ship and the balancing still works great.  So i'm sure I'm probably not the first person to try this but I didn't see any other post's on the subject and thought it might be worth the MOD makers to take a look at if there interested, it is there MOD regardless.

I think the majority of us are happy with the cap ships as they are, i have heard no complaints : )  This is Stress and Darkshimmer's baby, dont hyjack the thread with your home project.  Keep it to yourself, they have put a ton of work into this, altering their files and posting about it in their thread might be a bit tacky and insulting (if you mean it to be or not).

Hey tenhunter, if you had actually bothered to read the part where I said it was only a suggestion and that I also said " I wont spread it and respect the authors rights" I guess you wouldn't be pointing out my actions as "tacky and insulting".  I think your quick to judge attitude is "tacky and insulting".  I must ask if you have ever offered any suggestions to the MOD creators?  Thats who my comments where directed to, not you, your name doesn't appear in the credits.  If the MOD creators want to slam me then they have every right to do so.

As an afterthought I realized that maybe tenhunter didn't completely read my last post where I said

Maybe he didn't scroll up and read my first post?  So to end any confusion I'll just quote a few lines:

HEY . I will not tolerate fighting in this thread.

Not that I can do anything about it, I just won't tolerate it.

Got it.  So is it possible for the explosions to deal damage to nearby ships?

I would assume that you could add a splash damage ability to each ship that comes into effect when it dies, or you could only add it to ships that seem like they would have that much destructive power in their reactor.

Got it.  So is it possible for the explosions to deal damage to nearby ships?

i dunno if its possible or not, you might have to ask Manshooter or another resident Sins Code monkey on that one.

o and feel free to argue on, i'm getting a kick out of it, Its better than throwning in a sandwich into a room of hungry people. It can be quite entertaining.

Most of you dont understand how difficult it was to get the mod to this point. Despite all of the hardcoded nonsense. While the suggestions are all cool and whatnot you also have to think about if it "can" be done. Most of whats being suggested we already thought of, but could not do. Sins is very picky about how things work. We had to bend the ships to work with sins not make sins into trek.

As far as i knew the balancing was up to date before i packaged, and uploaded 0.03b if not shimmer can give the numbers and they can be manually corrected by the users. Im not at my home system nor do i have any way to reupload the mod at the present time.

We didnt get to the explosions we are using manshooters mod for that. We are currently working on research, structures, abilitys, fighters, and more tweaks just like the main topic says.

The current shiplist is staying as it is. Shimmers balancing will only be changed to correct what is needed. Cardies dont use torpedoes on its ships, but they do on thier stations (ds-9/nor station). Hey i didnt write the show.

I am almost done with one of the new fed stations. 0.04 is well underway. In the meantime im gonna sit back and watch the ungrateful fight over nonsense...

Don't worry guys, you've still got loyal fans who love the way the mod is going, and appreciate the hardwork you guys have put into it and are continuing to put into it. In the meantime, popcorn anyone?

You guys are right.  I apologize for bringing a fight to your room.  It was rude of me.  From now on I am just a spectator and will keep my "suggestions" to myself.  The argument is ridiculous as my suggestion to change an already fantastic MOD. 

v/r

the now silent fan.

 Do you mean that you going to put DS9 in your mod?

hey um for 0.03b i halved all the weapon damage but the dominoins since there caps where already half damage, also i added at least vanilla abilitys to the caps, also made the pirates borg only,  plus i increased the turret defens platforms to fire the whol grav radius as well as doubled there damage, the whole thing works real nice and made some maps for it, was wondering if u guys would be ok with me posting it to see what people think as well as add something tell u guys get out 0.04

what building will it be?

Hey, is anyone up for a 3v3 game tonight around 8EST? I got one team ready to go.