Wealthy and Small Business Owners Avoid Taxes



Here is a reality that can not be denied. The wealthy and the small business owners are the people that can avoid Federal Income Taxes either by using the legal loopholes that were placed in the law to help the FEW or by cheating on their taxes.

A perfect example is Dick Cheney. He had an AGI last year of about $1.7 Million. With that level of income we would expect him to be paying about 33% of that income in Federal Taxes after his exemptions and deductions. Cheney paid only 23% in federal Income taxes last year or about $170,000 less then if he had paid the expected 33%.
Cheney does not release the supporting scheduled for his income taxes. The law only required the release of the 1040 and that is all we get from Cheney. Just how he avoided $170,000 in income tax is NOT released to the public. That is something that Congress needs to change. The President and VP should be required to make public there entire Federal Income Tax. Bush has released his entire return to the public.

I an confident that Cheney only uses LEGAL Tax Loop Holes to avoid taxes but many small business owners are not in that situation. I have no indication that the average non business owner is any more honest than the average Small Business Owner but the fact remains that the ONLY people that have any real chance to cheat on their Federal Income Taxes is the small business owner. I am not saying that all or even most small business owners cheat on their taxes but they are the group that has the ability to cheat the Federal Government.

Individuals who work for some one else have their income directly reported to the Fed as do mortgage companies and banks. If an individual does not include all their income from either W-2’s or 1099’s the Fed computers compare the two and if you fail to report ALL your Income you will most likely receive an exception letter.

Small business owners have many ways to avoid taxes. They can transact some of their business in cash and not report the transaction. They can charge personal expenses as if they were business expenses. They can pad things like depreciation or non business expenses. They can have employees do work on their properties and change that labor to other jobs and make it appear as if it were an operating expense. They can charge personal items on the company credit card. Some small business owner’s use all these are others dodges to avoid Federal Income Taxes.

I wondered why Bush has been cutting the number of IRS agents. Then I realized that these agents are the people that would uncover the tax fraud by small business people who cheat. They are not needed for non business owners because their information is directly reported to the IRS and the computers can determine if an individual fails to report all of their Income. Mortgage interest is also reported to the fed and today you must have documentation for chartable deductions and local taxes.

Bush tells us just how important the small business owners are to our economy. That is true but they should be required to pay their fair share of taxes. We are not talking about the RATE of tax but the AVOINENCE of taxes by cheating. Given the annual deficit, we should be enforcing our tax laws and it is time we add the IRS agents needed and simplify the tax code to eliminate most of the LEAGL Tax Loop Holes like the ones Cheney use to avoid paying taxes. Step one should be enforcement. Step two should eliminating tax loop hopes that benefit the few. Step three return to the tax rates of the 1990’s for the top 10%. Finally cut the pork, earmarks, the Iraq War and some Foreign Aid.

Then we should see what the situation is with our budget deficit. I bet we would be a LOT closer to a balanced budget if not actually have achieved the feat of balancing what we are spending with the tax revenue being collected! We might find we could even begin paying DOWN the National Debt. I will be sending this Blog to the two final Presidential Candidates.
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Just when I thought your blogs couldn't become anymore senseless.
I will be sending this Blog to the two final Presidential Candidates.
I think they would care about it as much as I do. It's amazing how you advocate more government bureaucracy and then complain about the deficit. Once again, you are obsessed with raising taxes on business owners and employers for no reason other than your obsessive hatred for anyone doing better than yourself. You have a to be a real special person to WANT more IRS agents.
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Reply By: Island DogPosted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008Just when I thought your blogs couldn't become anymore senseless. I will be sending this Blog to the two final Presidential Candidates.I think they would care about it as much as I do. It's amazing how you advocate more government bureaucracy and then complain about the deficit. Once again, you are obsessed with raising taxes on business owners and employers for no reason other than your obsessive hatred for anyone doing better than yourself. You have a to be a real special person to WANT more IRS agents.


That is a LIE!!!!! I did not say increasing taxes on business I said COLLECT the taxes that are due. That is very different then increasing taxes. Without the IRS agents it is not possible to catch the people that do, not pay their share of the taxes which means those who obey the law must pay more. This has NOTHING to do with the government bureaucracy but insuring we have the staff to properly ENFORCE the tax laws on small business.
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...and yet the wealthy pay the vast majority of taxes. So they must not be doing a very good job of avoiding those taxes.

 

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I did not say increasing taxes on business I said COLLECT the taxes that are due
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return to the tax rates of the 1990’s for the top 10%.
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Your problem gene is you think all rich people sit on the beach all day sipping Margaritas.


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Reply By: DraginolPosted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008...and yet the wealthy pay the vast majority of taxes. So they must not be doing a very good job of avoiding those taxes.


They have the VAST majority of the income and wealth. That does not excuse cheating on their taxes which is the issue!
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Reply By: Island DogPosted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008
I did not say increasing taxes on business I said COLLECT the taxes that are due
return to the tax rates of the 1990’s for the top 10%.
Your problem gene is you think all rich people sit on the beach all day sipping Margaritas.


No they are the people that can afford to pay a little more to bring our budget into balance without suffering any change in their life style!
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No they are the people that can afford to pay a little more to bring our budget into balance without suffering any change in their life style!
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Do you listen to anything here?  Raising taxes on business owners and producers will NOT balance the budget.  Especially when democrats want national healthcare, and massive expansions in social programs.

If it wasn't so sad it would be hilarious how you keep talking about balancing the budget, but have no problem paying peoples mortgages, providing healthcare for everyone, etc.  Talk about being backwards.


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Reply By: Island DogPosted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008
No they are the people that can afford to pay a little more to bring our budget into balance without suffering any change in their life style!
Do you listen to anything here? Raising taxes on business owners and producers will NOT balance the budget. Especially when democrats want national healthcare, and massive expansions in social programs.


YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!! If the Democrats do enact new spending any added tax revenue will offset that new spending. I do not want to hear about the Democrats spending. The GOP and Bush have OUT SPENT all the Democrats in history. Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 are responsible for $8 of the $10 TRILLION of the debt we will have in January 2009!
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Democrats do enact new spending any added tax revenue will offset that new spending.
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So they will just continue to raise taxes for every program they propose? Their spending proposals will not be paid for by higher taxes on a select class of Americans.

Republicans haven't been great on spending, but at least they aren't proposing national healthcare, $5000 to each person born, matching retirement funds, and the rest of their proposals so far. You think all that is going to be paid for by tax increases on top of the useless spending we have already. You are laughable!


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Reply By: Island DogPosted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008
Democrats do enact new spending any added tax revenue will offset that new spending.
So they will just continue to raise taxes for every program they propose? Their spending proposals will not be paid for by higher taxes on a select class of Americans.Republicans haven't been great on spending, but at least they aren't proposing national healthcare, $5000 to each person born, matching retirement funds, and the rest of their proposals so far. You think all that is going to be paid for by tax increases on top of the useless spending we have already. You are laughable!


First the Republicans spend FAR MORE then the Democrats and then pay for that added spending with debt. That means we must continue to pay for the added spending with increased interest. The spending increases of the Democrats is LESS then the Republicans and they increase taxes to pay for the added spending.

We are better off to pay for the added spending that both parties do with taxes then with debt. The added taxes pay as you spend while the Republicans add to the debt. Tax and Spend is a better policy then Charge and Spend. What Bush has spent on the Iraq war and what he has committed us to paying in the future because of the Iraq war would pay many times over for ALL the new spending plans being discussed by the Democrats!
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Reply By: Island DogPosted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008
Democrats do enact new spending any added tax revenue will offset that new spending.
So they will just continue to raise taxes for every program they propose? Their spending proposals will not be paid for by higher taxes on a select class of Americans.Republicans haven't been great on spending, but at least they aren't proposing national healthcare, $5000 to each person born, matching retirement funds, and the rest of their proposals so far. You think all that is going to be paid for by tax increases on top of the useless spending we have already. You are laughable!


First the Republicans spend FAR MORE then the Democrats and then pay for that added spending with debt. That means we must continue to pay for the added spending with increased interest. The spending increases of the Democrats is LESS then the Republicans and they increase taxes to pay for the added spending.

We are better off to pay for the added spending that both parties do with taxes then with debt. The added taxes pay as you spend while the Republicans add to the debt. Tax and Spend is a better policy then Charge and Spend. What Bush has spent on the Iraq war and what he has committed us to paying in the future because of the Iraq war would pay many times over for ALL the new spending plans being discussed by the Democrats!
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They have the VAST majority of the income and wealth. That does not excuse cheating on their taxes which is the issue!
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You just said that the means they avoid taxes is legal. So you can't say they're cheating on their taxes.

Yes, the wealthy have the vast majority of income and wealth because they earn the most -- by definition.  But they still pay disproportinoately more of their income.

I do a lot of things to reduce my tax burden and if my taxes were raised, I would do even more. And it would be legal. But I would still end up paying in vastly more than you do and receive the same (or less) back in the form of services.

If socialists like you had their way, I'd have to pay extra for cable, phone and electric simply because I produce more than you.

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I have to wonder why I allow a parasite like Col Gene to keep posting on a blog that exists solely because of the previous tax cuts.

If you are so certain that the government is the answer, go find a government blog to post on. Goddamn parasite.

I'm so fucking sick of hearing you argue that I don't pay enough in taxes when I probably have paid more in a year than you have your entire sorry life time.  I'm not your fucking slave, Gene. 

I work my ass off every day and I resent the implication that I and others like me are expected to shoulder all the weight so that losers like you can sit on your asses all day complaining about me on a site that I freely provide.

I mean really Gene, do you even have a fucking job? Do you? Please. Tell me what YOU do. Do you work full time? You make various claims at various times. Let's here specifics: What is it you do all day every day for a living?

The idea that I should pay vastly more for less services than even the most pathetic loser of an American is such a corruption of what the founding fathers envisioned.

Sure, it's easy for someone like you to talk about raising taxes. What do you care? You pay squat in taxes.  Oh, your wife's brother or whatever needs health care help so it's MY job to pay for it and what I'm already paying isn't enough for you. No, I need to pay more so that you can feel good about a theoretical balanced budget that will never happen as long as Democrats are in charge and adding ever more goodies to the parasite class.

I don't care about the poor. I don't care one bit. They could fucking starve for all I care. I know more about the poor than most people here. I grew up around them, I was one of them.  But anyone who is poor byut able-bodied and asking for hand outs at 40+ is a parasite that does nothing for our society other than leech off the good hard working Americans (i.e. the 50% of the population that actually pays income taxes).

But let me tell you Gene, if my taxes go up, I'll find perfectly legal ways to largely eliminate it. It's all about what incentives they create.  Raise my taxes too high and I rebase the company in fucking Ireland at 12% income taxes and start outsourcing to other places where I can get people who don't have a feeling of entitlement. And then guys like you will whine about that never realizing that it's the policies that you support that lead to these problems.

Because here's the end elephant in the room: I can plainly see how you need me. But I don't see how I need you. And as our economy becomes more globalized, governments will have to pay a lot closer attention to how they treat the people who pay the taxes (not just me but everyone else too).

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I have to wonder why I allow a parasite like Col Gene to keep posting on a blog that exists solely because of the previous tax cuts.
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because you are better than gene is. that is something that gene would do.
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Reply By: DraginolPosted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008
They have the VAST majority of the income and wealth. That does not excuse cheating on their taxes which is the issue!
You just said that the means they avoid taxes is legal. So you can't say they're cheating on their taxes.


Do you have a PROBLEM READING? Let me try again:

the small business owners are the people that can avoid Federal Income Taxes either by using the legal loopholes that were placed in the law to help the FEW or by cheating on their taxes.


Please read the underlined sections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply By: DraginolPosted: Wednesday, January 09, 2008
They have the VAST majority of the income and wealth. That does not excuse cheating on their taxes which is the issue!
You just said that the means they avoid taxes is legal. So you can't say they're cheating on their taxes.Yes, the wealthy have the vast majority of income and wealth because they earn the most -- by definition. But they still pay disproportinoately more of their income.


That is not true. Look at Cheney with an income of $1.7 Million only paying 23%.
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Raise my taxes too high and I rebase the company in fucking Ireland at 12% income taxes


Yeah!
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the small business owners are the people that can avoid Federal Income Taxes either by using the legal loopholes that were placed in the law to help the FEW or by cheating on their taxes.
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the loopholes were put into law to allow the people in congress to keep their money. I have told you that those rich people in congress is not going to pass laws that will affect them directly. doesn't matter which party.
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That is not true. Look at Cheney with an income of $1.7 Million only paying 23%.
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again after Clinton's big tax raise. he only paid 18%.
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Do you have a PROBLEM READING?
You might have a problem staying on this site after this.  Nothing to defend yourself as to why to let you keep posting here.  Instead you just add another insult.  I am only a user so I can only blacklist when someone irks me.  The owner of this private site can ban people who irk him.  I can't speak for Brad but if I were him I'd ban your ass.  Your entertainment value doesn't hold up to your idiocy and annoyance level.

You beat the same old tired drum and sing the same old tired song.  Here's a thought that would never occur to you:  By your own admition, you don't know why VP Cheney didn't have to pay the extra $170k.  That means that there is actually a possiblilty that he did something beneficial with that money.  But people like you just think of him as the devil and forget about innnocence until proven guilty for anyone with money.

I think that our society would be so much better off if wealthy people could chose how to help society with their money rather than being forced by the government.  Of course there should be some level of required investment in the government but the vast majority should be left to people who are obviously more efficient with their money. 

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Reply By: LeaukiPosted: Thursday, January 10, 2008Raise my taxes too high and I rebase the company in fucking Ireland at 12% income taxes Yeah!


This is the attitude that is creating the Job loss in America. If you are an American you are a SAD Excuse for one!

Reply By: danielostPosted: Thursday, January 10, 2008
the small business owners are the people that can avoid Federal Income Taxes either by using the legal loopholes that were placed in the law to help the FEW or by cheating on their taxes.
the loopholes were put into law to allow the people in congress to keep their money. I have told you that those rich people in congress is not going to pass laws that will affect them directly. doesn't matter which party.



It is not the wealth of those in Congress but the desire to placate the rich that help finance their campaigns and get them into power.

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To remind Gene what he wrote:

Here is a reality that can not be denied. The wealthy and the small business owners are the people that can avoid Federal Income Taxes either by using the legal loopholes that were placed in the law to help the FEW or by cheating on their taxes.
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You begrudge the wealthy not paying more even when they use perfectly legal means and despite the fact that they pay the vast majority of taxes that goes far beyond their relative share of the nation's income.

I also noticed you didn't answer a single question I asked:

1. Please explain how I need you. I see how you need me. But I don't see how I need you.

2. Extrapolating, the wealhty and other tax payers are certanly needed by the parasite class. But I don't see how those tax payers need the parasite class.

3. What exaclty do you do for a living? Do you even have a full time job?  Please explain how you are contributing.

4. What weird bizaaro world do you think you live in in which the pepole who do nothing actually have control? If you increase taxes on the people who make stuff, transport stuff, or grow stuff they will have an incentive to find ways of reducing their tax burden or costs in other ways.

Answer these questions, gene or you're gone. I've had it with your bi-daily rants of utter bullshit.

I'll give you 24 hours.

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This is the attitude that is creating the Job loss in America. If you are an American you are a SAD Excuse for one!
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I'm as loyal to America a America is to me. 

Unlike you, I actually contribute something to America. I am not a leech on it. I create jobs. Pay vast amounts of taxes. Giive large amounts to charity.

What do you do? You sad, pathetic little parasite.

But if the American people support stealing what I earn to give to others who provide nothing in return then hell ya. I'll adapt.

It's people like you that are pathetic excuses for Americans.  You support policies that time and time again hurt the United States.  You then blame others for your mistakes. 

Americans aren't loyal to American products and services. They shop on price.  Why should't I?

I pay enough in taxes each year. 

And at some point the question has to be asked: How exactly do I need people like you? I can see how America needs me. It needs me and people like me very much.  But the federal government does remarkably little for tax paying Americans. (roads, schools, police, fire departments, etc. are all local and state taxes).

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How exactly do I need people like you?
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the best answer I can think of. to remind you that he needs you.
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Col Gene needs to read Atlas Shrugged.

Col Gene is exactly like Philip Rearden.

Philip Rearden

The younger brother of Hank Rearden, and a Moocher. He lives in his brother's home in Philadelphia and is completely dependent on him. He believes that the source of his sustenance is evil and would love to see him destroyed. He has never had a career and spends his time perfunctorily working for various social groups. He becomes resentful of his brother's charity. He then requests that he be granted a job from his brother because he should not have to be burdened by the feeling of inadequacy of not earning his own livelihood. When confronted by his brother on how this job should be a mutually beneficial arrangement, Philip shrugs the argument off as irrelevant and that the job should be entitled to him solely based on his need for money and the fact of familial ties. Philip Rearden appears in sections 121 and 161.

Gene and his ilk clearly need the wealthy.  But the wealthy don't need him.  When the moocher class forgets this, they propose policies that cause the producers to adapt such as outsourcing or replacing low skill jobs with machines.  The moochers then complain that the producers are greedy or don't care.

And they'd be partially right. I don't care. But I'm not greedy. I simply don't like having my property stolen at the point of a gun in order to be handed over to someone else who does nothing for society.