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Reply #26 June 2, 2004 8:59:45 PM
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It was the only way I could get my point across... and like i have to spell out again, those are my sincere opinions of Americans.

Actually, you shouldn't assume that I even read it.  Just stating that broad generalizations were somehow better was what made me laugh.  Of course, I don't lump people of any race, religion or nationality together, but I guess that must be my "conservative" side showing, right   sure. 

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Reply #27 June 2, 2004 9:13:38 PM
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Then, I don't ever want to be that "liberal". I don't ever want to get to a point that I think it is OK for people to sit back and expect other people to fix what they see is "broken"


Lucky we aren't talking about your car.

Your car doesn't effect everyone else... I am talking about society, and you are talking about your car... great.

Just stating that broad generalizations were somehow better was what made me laugh


In this situation, it certainly was... I am glad you laughed though... it makes my post all worth while

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Reply #28 June 2, 2004 10:26:37 PM
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I really don't mind whiners that much. I mean, they're annoying. But people who sit on their butts complaining and doing nothing about it are just less competition for me.

The foundation of our company is arguably based on the fact that other people sat back and do nothing but think of big things.  For example, people had been talking how great an OS/2 game would be back in 1993. They argued it would sell great. Others bitched that the "game companies" wouldn't make an OS/2 game and that it was a Microsoft-led conspiracy.

So I bought a book "Teach yourself C in 21 days" and a book on programming OS/2 and wrote Galactic Civilizations over the course of about a year pretty much all by myself. Anyone could have done what I did. But too many people just sat back and complained and waited for someone else to do it. Which suited me fine.  10 years ago I was driving a $500 Chevette. It's amazing how simply getting up and DO-ING something can improve your lot in life.

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Reply #29 June 2, 2004 10:42:55 PM
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Then, I don't ever want to be that "liberal". I don't ever want to get to a point that I think it is OK for people to sit back and expect other people to fix what they see is "broken". If my car won't start, sitting on the curb complaining to everyone who walks by will do nothing. However, getting some tools and fixing it will help. Sure, I might need somebody to help me, but I don't expect them to do all the work. Maybe the fact that I actually do things to fix what I see wrong clouds my vision to the point that I can't see how whining does any good Now, if the discussion was over advocating, that is a different story. Advocates do things with the help of others. Whiners just whine and do nothing.


Ummm... I don't think you've really thought about what the democratic party stands for, and I think you are awfully fixated on the welfare problem when it seems like none of the politicians really care about welfare. Republicans want you to think about welfare and vote for them, but have they actually shrunk the program under George W. Bush? No, and why not? Because the money given to welfare recipients goes right back into the pocketbooks of the food industries, the housing industries, and of course Wal-Mart . When Bill Clinton was president did he make the program bigger (IIRC, he actually tried to reform it). Does John Kerry have a plan to make welfare bigger? I'm starting to get the sense that this guy takes government responsibility way to seriously to try to increase welfare spending (of all things) at this juncture. He's much more concerned with health care, military and the budget deficit than with that. Welfare is firmly planted in the government bureaucracy we live with, and it doesn't seem like anyone really wants to take it on. It's not just an emotionally driven 'charity' either, it's an issue of public health and safety, common decency, and as I said, economy.

Also, I think your stigmas about welfare recipients are just that: stigmas. Granted, you may have experience with family members who you believe are lazy welfare bums (I don't know them; I can't say), but I don't think you can treat all welfare recipients with that broad a brush, or simply say that they are all whining babies who are looking for someone else to fix their problems. That's a very negative, not to mention superficial, way of seeing people.

BTW, there's nothing wrong with whining. People love to whine. Whining is fun. You yourself have been doing alot of whining in this post without actually realizing it. We live in a whining society with a government full of whining persons. And whining DOES get results, because there's always someone who will pretend to accomodate you. That's the nature of the animal.

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Reply #30 June 2, 2004 10:44:47 PM
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Anyone could have done what I did.


Um, not me. I hate computers.
But I am teaching myself Russian so that I can go there and whine and complain about the way things are. Russia has an honorable tradition of whining, and look at how awesome their tradition in the 'whining arts' is.
BTW, Draginol, go screw yourself.
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Reply #31 June 2, 2004 10:50:22 PM
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It seems to me like "altruistic" liberals are the most closed-minded of all. Besides judging a person's entire character by political party (as proven by a few dating blogs), they seem to think that anybody who wants to improve society in a different way is a bad person.


Sure, to them, throwing money at the less fortunate is a solution, but some have different ideas on how to help the downtrodden. It's like the saying goes.... Give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish, he eats for life.


After all, if I'm not mistaken, even the most socialist of places have social problems.


As for fascist vs. kook, I don't mind people being called kooks so much as I mind people being called fascists in the same way people don't mind when I call somebody a jerkwad than when I call them a child molestor.

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Reply #32 June 3, 2004 8:12:12 AM
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BTW, Draginol, go screw yourself.

Why do you have such an attitude?  It's really hard to take anything you say seriously when you say things like this. 

BTW, Saint Ying, go blog somewhere else.

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Reply #33 June 3, 2004 8:14:58 AM
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Your car doesn't effect everyone else... I am talking about society, and you are talking about your car... great.

Yes, because that should have been taken literally.

So, Muggaz, what do you do to progress mankind?  What do you do to change things that you see wrong?

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Reply #34 June 3, 2004 8:36:08 AM
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So, Muggaz, what do you do to progress mankind? What do you do to change things that you see wrong?


I write, I speak, I vote.

I dont put up with crap that I dont like...

I dislike welfare dodgers as much as you do... I beleive life is unfair as you do... I get over it, as you do, I stand on my own feet, because I can. I stand a little taller, for those who can't.

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Reply #35 June 3, 2004 8:43:59 AM
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I dont put up with crap that I dont like...

So, what do you do to change "crap" that you don't like?  Voting helps, but what do you do when the person you voted for loses?

I dislike welfare dodgers as much as you do... I beleive life is unfair as you do... I get over it, as you do

That's might "right" of you

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Reply #36 June 3, 2004 8:52:28 AM
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Voting helps, but what do you do when the person you voted for loses?


I do what I am doing now... tell people why i dont like it, and If i influence at least one person, It has made it all worth while... This may sound whack to you, but I would consider myself a modern day sage... I have a good teaching demeanor... and I know i can do nothing on my own, but if i can teach and learn to the best of my abilities, I am performing my responsibilities as a modern day sage...

ask Lao Tzu...

I am still young, and have a lot to learn, but I have a role in this world, no matter how small, a role none the less.

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Reply #37 June 3, 2004 9:03:32 AM
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and I know i can do nothing on my own

Why?  Why do you say that?  Why do you feel that you can only "tell" other people what you see is wrong? 

Funny, you told me that I was right wing.  You told me that you prided yourself with having an open mind, you then said that you would like me to prove you wrong about me being conservative.  I then told you some of the things I *do* to help right the wrongs I see.  What do you do?  You say "I don't think you are liberal enough to understand why some people are so aggreived".  Even though I am the one *doing* something to change things.  You also said "Just so we are clear... I am also not a fan of people who do nothing but whinge... " but then you say that you *do* nothing but talk.  And you claim to be more progressive than I am.  Pish.

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Reply #38 June 3, 2004 9:26:04 AM
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I dont know what you are implying - do you expect me to strap on my red hat and flag, with a big machine gun, and storm the whitehouse?

dont you know that the pen is mightier than the sword?

a printed letter to a newspaper, attendance at a rally... teaching some pleb at a pub that the labour govenrment in Australia will do nothing but ruin the economy... Like i said before, If i can get my message through to at least one person, and then they get it to the next person, it is advocating change... a little bit of charisma means people actually listen to me...

It's just up to me to learn enough so i dont show them any false paths... I dont consider myself to be part of the way, I consider myself as one to enlighten about the way.

This is quickly turning into 'kook rubbish' that would have any opinion of mine discounted.... i will stop there,

I know where you are coming from, and I respect that - why cant you try and see where I am coming from?

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Reply #39 June 3, 2004 9:45:58 AM
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dont you know that the pen is mightier than the sword?

Who said anything about fighting?  What about volunteering to help the needy?  What about donating to food pantries or donating time at soup kitchens?  What about helping elderly? Or on a smaller scale, help you neighbors or family that are in need?  What about leading by example?  But, like I said before, actions are harder than words.  It's much easier to talk about what needs to be done than to start making small changes that will add up.  If you really want to advocate, you have to be in the action along with the people you are trying to get to help.

I know where you are coming from, and I respect that -

I really don't think that you do, either that or you have a very odd way of showing it.  You have right out said that I am something I am not.  How can you possibly say you know where I am coming from?

And, I see where you are coming from.  I just don't agree with it. 

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Reply #40 June 3, 2004 1:52:18 PM
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BTW, Saint Ying, go blog somewhere else.


And you yourself need to start preparing for the excruciating pain and misery of hell, your rightful desert for being such a failure, for blinding yourself from the supreme and glorious liberal Truth, the one and only answer. There can be no compromise.

BTW, KarmaGirl, quit the shameless self promotion, the flagrant and prejudicial producerist pride. You think you're special because you work hard. You're not. You're no more worthy than anyone else, and your charitable activities do not excuse you from thinking.
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Reply #41 June 3, 2004 2:02:22 PM
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the supreme and glorious liberal Truth, the one and only answer. There can be no compromise

And, what is that liberal truth?  I wasn't aware that liberalism was a religion and that I will go to hell if I don't believe in it.

I see where these people get the "kook" thing from. 

You think you're special because you work hard.

uh, when did I ever say that?  Oh..wait...you are making an assumption about somebody that you know nothing about....silly me.

You don't know me- I don't know you.  Let's keep it that way.

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Reply #42 June 3, 2004 2:04:44 PM
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And you yourself need to start preparing for the excruciating pain and misery of hell, your rightful desert for being such a failure


Dude, I was trying to stay out of this because everyone's intitled to their own opinion, but come on? This is just down right rude and crass. If Karma's a failure, we're all doomed. Karma and I might not always agree on everything--but at least we are civil about it! Saint Ying--weren't you banned? Didn't you learn your lesson? Back off! You are way out of line!

Muggaz: Sorry for trolling--how will you ever forgive me?
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Reply #43 June 3, 2004 2:08:08 PM
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Saint Ying, I honestly hope that you are not serious and are simply trolling for a reaction, because you're doing nothing for your reputation or for your beliefs.

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Reply #44 June 3, 2004 2:09:38 PM
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shades, Saint Ying is posting from politicalmachine.com forums (which show the political section of the forums).  I think he may be a little too self absorbed in whatever political web he's in to realize that a lot of people don't live and breath politics enough to get *that* worked up over who is on what side, and that people on here usually treat each other with respect.

Common decency is not so very common anymore.

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Reply #45 June 3, 2004 2:14:44 PM
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Common decency is not so very common anymore.


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Reply #46 June 3, 2004 3:19:40 PM
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Saint Ying proves it's possible to be both a fascist and a kook at the same time.
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Reply #47 June 3, 2004 3:23:39 PM
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Draginol, that one deserves an "insightful"!
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Reply #48 June 3, 2004 3:52:34 PM
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KharmaGirl,

KarmaGirl, quit the shameless self promotion, the flagrant and prejudicial producerist pride. You think you're special because you work hard. You're not. You're no more worthy than anyone else,


While you may not share the following beliefs (meaning only that I won't make that presumption), your ability to produce through actual production and achievement are very worthwhile things one SHOULD be proud of. Your worth isn't to be determined by one person's opinion, particularly one who has apparent socialist leanings. I would guess to him, your worth would consist of what you would sacrifice of yourself for the good of others, or worse, the state. You are the best one to know your accomplishments, and the value that you provide or exchange with others.

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Reply #49 June 3, 2004 5:19:24 PM
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Who said anything about fighting? What about volunteering to help the needy? What about donating to food pantries or donating time at soup kitchens? What about helping elderly? Or on a smaller scale, help you neighbors or family that are in need? What about leading by example? But, like I said before, actions are harder than words. It's much easier to talk about what needs to be done than to start making small changes that will add up. If you really want to advocate, you have to be in the action along with the people you are trying to get to help.


This goes without saying Karma... He who gives has way more than he who doesn't... I dont gloat though.... I am glad you brought up the point though... you shouldn't assume that I sit around typing about the worlds problems...

I really don't think that you do, either that or you have a very odd way of showing it. You have right out said that I am something I am not. How can you possibly say you know where I am coming from?


I apologised way up there somewhere Karma... what I would really like to know is how can you claim to be liberal, yet you blatantly claim the other side has a more open mind? I would really like to know whether you are arthur or martha... I dont think you know where you stand, let alone me...

You are the best one to know your accomplishments, and the value that you provide or exchange with others.


Thanks for saying that RC...

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Reply #50 June 3, 2004 5:41:12 PM
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Thanks for saying that RC


Not sure why you are thanking me for saying that to Kharmagirl, but whatever.

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