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Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy, Hypocrisy

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I have placed my Blogs on JoeUser into a file and in that process looked at many of the comments and complaints about the increased spending, welfare, pork and taxes people posted in response to my Blogs. When I took a look at just what parts of the Federal Budget have increased since 2001, the word that is front and center about all the budget and tax complaints is HYPOCRISY!

The largest increase in our spending since 2001 is not on pork or welfare. It is not on the administrative costs or waist. Below are the things that have increased or that are about to show the largest increase:

Interest on the debt. UP $150 Billion; by 2009 will be up $200 Billion per year.

The Iraq War. Up about $140 Billion and this will end when we end the war.

VA Administration. That budget is up 82% and will spend $700 Billion more.

Military Equipment. Over the next 10 years we will need to spend $200 Billion More.

Our problem is not the increased amount we spend on Medicaid or pork projects. It is not what we spend on education. It is not even all the waist in the various government projects. Every one of the above is the DIRECT result of George W. Bush and the GOP controlled Congress since 2001. All this increased spending is because of the financial and tax policies we have adopted and to fight a war that has not made America any safer from an attack by the radical terrorists who hate us. For all those who hate to pay taxes, you will be happy to know you will be paying far more in taxes for decades to come because of GWB. The legacy of President Bush will be the cost of his policies and will continue long into the future. We are still paying the interest on the added debt Reagan created in the 1980’s.


I would like to propose a tax credit for all those Americans who did not vote for George W. Bush. Let’s say a 10% credit if you did not vote for him in 2000 and a 50% credit if you did not vote for him in 2004. Fair is fair. Why should those of us who did not support Bush and his policies be responsible to pay for them? To pay for the proposed tax credits we should add a surtax on all that voted for Bush since they are responsible for the higher taxes because of electing him president!
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Reply #51 from JoeUser Forums Top
I provide a literal table from the CBO on expenses and you just ignore it. Nice.
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did you expect anything else from him
Reply #52 from JoeUser Forums Top
We did not vote for Bush or the members of Congress to borrow 1 out of every 5 dollars that we spend and then pay the interest as the debt piles up.
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yes we did. we voted them into office because of their promises.


and you want to vote one of the democrats into office for the same reason. and you don't care how much it will cost.
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Reply #53 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: FrogboyPosted: Thursday, December 27, 2007
First, the $300 Billion for Medicaid is the TOTAL spent by BOTH Federal and the 50 States
The $280 billion is spent by the federal government in 2007. We aren't talking about what it paid in fiscal year 2006.


The Dept of the Treasury shows the 2007 payments from the Federal Budget to the 50 States for MEDICAID was $180.625 Billion NOT $280 Billion. It6 also showed that ALL food assistance including food stamps, Child nutrition and WIC at $52.5 Billion in 2007. YOU ARE A GREAT SPIN AGENT!
Reply #54 from JoeUser Forums Top

LOL. I provide links to the sources for my data and Gene simply unilaterally declares them wrong.

But my point doesn't require the figures I provided to be correct. Gene's own admissions do it fine:

The Dept of the Treasury shows the 2007 payments from the Federal Budget to the 50 States for MEDICAID was $180.625 Billion NOT $280 Billion. It6 also showed that ALL food assistance including food stamps, Child nutrition and WIC at $52.5 Billion in 2007. YOU ARE A GREAT SPIN AGENT!
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So Gene is now on record admitting that we spent $180 billion (and rising) on Medicaid and $52 billion (and rising) on food stamps.  That's $230 BILLION just on those two welfare programs.

That doesn't include the billions spent on the Erned Income Tax Credit (more welfare), the billions spent on TANF (about $20 billion), etc. etc..

All told you easily have $300 billion (by Gene's own admission) that we spend on welfare.

Which brings us back to the topic at hand: Hypocrisy.  Gene has been on a multi-year rampage against deficit spending yet argues for yet more hand outs to people when we're already providing $300 billion+ in hand outs each year.

Reply #55 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Friday, December 28, 2007. I provide links to the sources for my data and Gene simply unilaterally declares them wrong.But my point doesn't require the figures I provided to be correct. Gene's own admissions do it fine:
The Dept of the Treasury shows the 2007 payments from the Federal Budget to the 50 States for MEDICAID was $180.625 Billion NOT $280 Billion. It6 also showed that ALL food assistance including food stamps, Child nutrition and WIC at $52.5 Billion in 2007. YOU ARE A GREAT SPIN AGENT!
So Gene is now on record admitting that we spent $180 billion (and rising) on Medicaid and $52 billion (and rising) on food stamps. That's $230 BILLION just on those two welfare programs.That doesn't include the billions spent on the Erned Income Tax Credit (more welfare), the billions spent on TANF (about $20 billion), etc. etc..All told you easily have $300 billion (by Gene's own admission) that we spend on welfare.Which brings us back to the topic at hand: Hypocrisy. Gene has been on a multi-year rampage against deficit spending yet argues for yet more hand outs to people when we're already providing $300 billion+ in hand outs each year.


First, $230 and $20 is $250 not $300 Billion. You said we spend 25% on Welfare which would be about $750 Billion not the $250 Billion that is the reality. Bush will have added $200 Billion in Interest on the debt, two Trillion on the War including the VA and equipment replacement. The problem is not welfare it is Bush and the GOP!
Reply #56 from JoeUser Forums Top

Yea, $750 billion is just about right

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-federal-budget-2007

Outright welfare + Medicaid = ~$700 billion. Technically 23% this year (down from 25% prevoiusly).

At what point are you going to give up on this? You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts.

Reply #57 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Saturday, December 29, 2007Yea, $750 billion is just about righthttp://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-federal-budget-2007Outright welfare + Medicaid = ~$700 billion. Technically 23% this year (down from 25% prevoiusly).At what point are you going to give up on this? You are entitled to your own opinions but not to your own facts.


I just documented the number is $250 Billion not $750 Billion.
Reply #58 from JoeUser Forums Top

I just documented the number is $250 Billion not $750 Billion.
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No, you simply claimed it was.

By contrast, I provided direct links to where you can see the information for yourself.

Here, again, is the link that explains it in terms even you should be able to understand:

http://www.answers.com/topic/united-states-federal-budget-2007

 

Reply #59 from JoeUser Forums Top
I just documented the number is $250 Billion not $750 Billion.
No, you simply claimed it was.
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to gene this is the same thing
Reply #60 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Sunday, December 30, 2007
I just documented the number is $250 Billion not $750 Billion. No, you simply claimed it was.
to gene this is the same thing


THE DEFICIT HAS nothing TO DO WITH WELFARE. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAS INCREASED OVER THE PAST 7 YEARS UNDER BUSH AND THE GOP. I have shown the areas that have increased-- The Iraq war, Interest on the debt, VA expenses due to the Iraq war, Homeland security. All but Homeland security is because of Bush and the GOP policies!
Reply #61 from JoeUser Forums Top

THE DEFICIT HAS nothing TO DO WITH WELFARE. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAS INCREASED OVER THE PAST 7 YEARS UNDER BUSH AND THE GOP. I have shown the areas that have increased-- The Iraq war, Interest on the debt, VA expenses due to the Iraq war, Homeland security. All but Homeland security is because of Bush and the GOP policies!
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No, you have made claims.

You see, some of us -- many of us -- do not believe that the federal government should be in the welfare business.  By contrast, defense is legitimately part of the job of the federal government.

If you remove the $700 billion or so from the budget, the deficit goes away.

Since the majority of congress decided military action was needed in Iraq, by your definition, it was needed.

Reply #62 from JoeUser Forums Top
All but Homeland security is because of Bush and the GOP policies!
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sorry bush started homeland security as a response to 9/11.
Reply #63 from JoeUser Forums Top
you see how fast gene tried to take the one thing he agrees with out of bushes hand and give it to the democrats.


the democrats want to kill it because it is bushes baby. personally i think it needs to go away because it allows the government to much power in the name of security.
Reply #64 from JoeUser Forums Top
I HAVE COME HERE TO CHEW BUBBLE GUM AND KICK BUTT. AND I AM ALL OUT OF BUBBLE GUM.
Reply #65 from JoeUser Forums Top
Actually gene....

Hypocrisy is complaining about government spending and deficits, then at the same time encouring people to vote for democrats who have already shown they will massively increase social spending.


Reply #66 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: DraginolPosted: Sunday, December 30, 2007
THE DEFICIT HAS nothing TO DO WITH WELFARE. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAS INCREASED OVER THE PAST 7 YEARS UNDER BUSH AND THE GOP. I have shown the areas that have increased-- The Iraq war, Interest on the debt, VA expenses due to the Iraq war, Homeland security. All but Homeland security is because of Bush and the GOP policies!
No, you have made claims.You see, some of us -- many of us -- do not believe that the federal government should be in the welfare business. By contrast, defense is legitimately part of the job of the federal government.


The majority of Americans and the Congress believe we should help those that need help so you are out voted!

The majority believe we must keep the promises that were made to the retired so far as Medicare and Social Security are concerned. The majority believe we should insure all children are properly feed and have health care. If you look at the % of GDP we are spending on help to the low income Americans you will see it is a smaller % of GDP today then in 2001. Look at what has happened because of Iraq, the VA costs, Interest on the debt. There is where all your tax dollars are going. Social Security and Medicare had a surplus thru 2007 so these tow programs DID NOT added to the debt! They will be a problem in the future as the Boomers retire.
Reply #67 from JoeUser Forums Top
The majority of Americans and the Congress believe we should help those that need help so you are out voted!
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You keep saying that, yet you have no proof!
Reply #68 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Island DogPosted: Wednesday, January 02, 2008Actually gene....Hypocrisy is complaining about government spending and deficits, then at the same time encouring people to vote for democrats who have already shown they will massively increase social spending.


You can BS all you want about the Democrats. THE GOP has out spent and added most of the debt. As I have said, Reagan and Bush 43 EACH added MORE DEBT then all the Democrats COMBINED!!!!!!!!! Of the 10 Trillion in Debt that Bush will leave behind, $8 Billion is because of Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43. That means ALL the Democrats and all other Republicans only contributed $2 Trillion over a period of 50 years!
Reply #69 from JoeUser Forums Top
The majority of Americans and the Congress believe we should help those that need help so you are out voted!
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the key word in this is HELP not do. what you want is for us to do for them not to help them.
Reply #70 from JoeUser Forums Top
sorry gene the democrats have spent 60% more this year in the house than the gop did last year.
Reply #71 from JoeUser Forums Top
You can BS all you want about the Democrats.
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What BS?  I have already shown how democrats are proposing massive increases in social spending.  What republicans have done will be nothing comparred to government healthcare, and other nanny state programs from democrats.

As I said, it's hypocrisy for you gene.
Reply #72 from JoeUser Forums Top

The majority of Americans and the Congress believe we should help those that need help so you are out voted!
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By that rationale, the majority of congress believe we should have deficit spending, so you are out voted.

Reply #73 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Wednesday, January 02, 2008
The majority of Americans and the Congress believe we should help those that need help so you are out voted!
the key word in this is HELP not do. what you want is for us to do for them not to help them.


That is a lie. My late stepson was disabled and could not have existed without Medicaid and section 8 housing.

Children who have health care or enough food can not help them selves. Do we say too bad it is up to your parents. It is not the Kids fault not is there anything they can do to change their situation.

The elderly who have very limited means who can not heat their homes of have enough to eat—the Conservative answer- they are poor because they want to be poor.

What TOTAL BS!
Reply #74 from JoeUser Forums Top
My late stepson was disabled and could not have existed without Medicaid and section 8 housing.
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Not to be cold-hearted, but that's simply not true. There was a time when Medicaid & section 8 housing did not exist and the disabled were still taken care of, either by their families or the state.
Reply #75 from JoeUser Forums Top
That is a lie. My late stepson was disabled and could not have existed without Medicaid and section 8 housing.
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so you were not willing to help your stepson.