If there's no war on Christmas, what is this?

I don't know if I just live a very sheltered, isolated existence or what, but I've never encountered any "anti-Christmas" sentiments.

There are decorations and well-wishes everywhere here. The school is done up, and the kids had a Jingle Bell Fun Run complete with a running Santa and they usually have a Christmas program with full-fledged Christmas songs.

really? which ones specifically?

Neither have I. Admittedly if someone plays a christmas carol anywhere near me I'm likely to strangle them, but that's because I once worked in retail, where the same Christmas songs are played every hour. Non-stop. Throughout a freaking 12-hour shift.

All these anti-Christmas claims are overblown. You get a handful of ludicrous anti-Christmas statements from the arch-PCers to fill the 'lighter side' column of your friendly local media outlet and suddenly folks are in hysterics.

The sky ain't falling in yet on the festival of the sun god.

I have. I am not saying it is epidemic, but it clearly is politically correct to be anti-christian in this country, while non-PC to be anti any other religion.

Doc: Clearly Christmas comes once a year; clearly snow falls in areas with cold weather. But it's not so clear that being PC means being a subscriber to the Socialist Party Happy Fun Time Magazine. Righties can be mindless drones too. It's something to keep in mind when next you go swinging buzz words around.

I mean, who defines the people who get to craft the terms of PC-ness? Is it a secret cabal of Jews, Muslims and card-carrying members of the UnAmerican activities Happy Fun Time Group?

Anyway, it's not realy relevant. But I don't think we should take isolated examples of things that are publicly acknowledged as insane and consider them the way the world is. That way lies madness and poor dental hygiene.

LW: I thought you'd like that!

bout half the times i'm forced to patronize the several chain pharmacy/other crap retailers (rite-aid, savon/cvs drugs, etc.) with which we're now infested, i find myself askin the checker how many more days are likely to pass before he or she finally weakens, brings a loaded weapon to work and--without even trying--synchs each shot to the downbeat of whatever mindbreakingly way-too-cheerful earpoison happens to be hammering its way to the very core of any human brain within 30' of the counter and without the good fortune to be protected by a malfunctioning hearing aid.

Not a cabal. Just the liberals who pretend to know all. And know every racists or bigot or homophobe by the color of their skin, or the lack of agreement on issues that they are authoratative on.

That is why PC is a stigma, not a law. But they are trying to make it law, with their faux "hate crimes" bs.

I fail to see how my response would get you into such a lather either. I did not say anyone was being persecuted for war crimes because of being Christian. I merely stated that I have seen anti-Christian sentiments. That you have not is great! We can hope that Oz is better than us in that respect.

Nor have I personally witnessed lynchings, immolations, cruxifictions, or other forms of torture and murder against Christians. But I have heard of some, even in this nation. Yet again, that was not my claim.

I merely stated that I have seen anti-christian bigotry, and yes, in this country it is not Anti-PC to be so. I am not PC, so I can only tell you what the snooped nose proctectors of the realm are saying and doing when it comes to PC. One cannot condemn a religion, race, color of creed without incurring the wrath (and sometimes the civil harrasment lawsuits associated with holier than thou cretins thinking they are saving the planet from humanity) of the PC crowd.

Unless you are Christian. Then it is ok.

One can laugh at it, since obviously christians are in the majority. One can poo-poo it since obviously they are not being hunted like the Jews of Europe 70 years ago. One can even scoff at it, since the percent of professed christians do not seem to be decreasing due to the "PC bigotry" against them.

But does that make it right?

I had written:

shopping chains that have decided to ban the use of words like Happy Holidays*

kingbee replied:

really? which ones specifically?

Sorry, I mispoke on the original as it wasn't the use of the words "Happy Holidays", it was the use of the words "Merry Christmas" that were, if not banned, seriously discouraged.  Enough to start a potential boycott against the stores that were trying to do away with those words.

News on the bigger issue here: http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/merrychristmas.htm 

From everything I've seen, in stores, businesses, newspapers, and ads on TV, the war on Christmas is real. Even though the population is said to be overwhelmingly Christian, we are being forced little by little to celebrate with secular symbols and words.

Being anti-Christian and especially anti-Christmas is an acceptable prejudice. The newspapers call it "satire". There's plenty of respect for the other religious symbols though.

I've heard that at Old Navy, Gap and Banana Republic stores, Christmas isn't allowed because, they say, some non-Christians are offended. They sell "holiday" gifts. They close their stores on on "holiday", not Christmas Day. They wish customers a Happy Holiday, not "Merry Christmas."

It seems that the minority is taking over the majority.

I think Happy Holidays started as a way to include both Christmas and New Years. I really don't think it was a big anti-Christian statement. I do think that it evolved to be inclusive of Hanukah which doesn't bother me in the least. I really don't think anyone celebrates Christmas at the store. No one is being forced to celebrate in a different way. You can still celebrate Christmas the way you always have by going to midnight mass, exchanging gifts, putting out your Advent calender and Advent wreath, displaying a nativity scene, eating a big dinner, etc. There is no war against that.