Bush wins on fuel economy requirements...

from JoeUser Forums

And yet another one that Pres. Bush can take a pat on the back for.  He can claim credit for signing into law the mandates for the largest increase in fuel efficiency standards for vehicles manufactured (and sold??) in the U.S.A. in the nations history.  Requirements that will mean that much more fuel efficient vehicles will have to be developed and/or sold in the U.S.A. so that manufacturers can meet the standards, and requirements which will mean that U.S. gasoline consumption should drop fairly significantly over the life of the requirements.

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
The ONLY reason that bill passed is because of the Democrats. For 7 Years Bush did NOTHING. I am sorry the democrats gave up on the give away to Big Oil. I guess the party will not be over for the wealthy and Big Oil until January 20, 2009!
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top

The ONLY reason that bill passed is because of the Democrats. For 7 Years Bush did NOTHING. I am sorry the democrats gave up on the give away to Big Oil. I guess the party will not be over for the wealthy and Big Oil until January 20, 2009!

More bull-excrement from the clueless one.  Bush has tried (and been stymied by your friends in the Congress) many times to do things to make us less dependent upon foreign oil.  Unfortunately for you, your tree hugging and frozen tundra loving friends have kept ANWR off limits, and have not wanted to give an inch to get a mile, or should I say wouldn't give a few drops to get a few gallons back in return.

Much the same as Social Security, which your friends demagogued and kept from being FIXED, your friends on the liberal side of the aisle who claim to want to help the environment have done everything but.  They talk a great talk, but then go on to burn millions of gallons of fossil fuels and then have to go find themselves plenty of carbon offsets to claim that they weren't even more harmful for the environment.

Keep trying there Mr. symbol of the Democrat party.  Keep trying.

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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

Gene (not Nash, but the clueless one...) has been braying again:

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

The ONLY reason that bill passed is because of the Democrats.

By the way, that statement is either an ill-informed statement of opinion or an outright lie.  Check the numbers and tell me again who voted for the bill?  I believe it was fairly well passed by a bi-partisan group and not one side or the other.  OOOOOOOppps.  Sorry to pull a Bill Clinton and give credit to the President when it was the congress.  Oooh, wait, I'm debating Gene, the Clueless One, the inferior officer that would never blame the Congress for anything, so there's no way he'd give them credit for anything either, right?

What a maroon.  Ooops, wait, not a maroon.  Just another of the animals pictured above.

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

By the way readers, here's the vote from the Senate: 86-8

Hmmm, seems to me that the number of Democrats in the Senate hovers around the 50 mark.  Where'd the rest of those votes come from?  Oh yeah, Republicans.

In the House, approximately 90 votes came from Republicans.

So this was all the Democrats doing, wasn't it?

Pssssshhaaaaw.

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Is the same Bush was holding hands with a Saudi prince? 
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
More bull-excrement from the clueless one. Bush has tried (and been stymied by your friends in the Congress) many times to do things to make us less dependent upon foreign oil. Unfortunately for you, your tree hugging and frozen tundra loving friends have kept ANWR off limits, and have not wanted to give an inch to get a mile, or should I say wouldn't give a few drops to get a few gallons back in return.



That is a LIE. The only thing Bush did with the energy policy was to give Big Oil tax credits that did NOTHING to make us more energy independent.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: terpfan1980Posted: Thursday, December 20, 2007By the way readers, here's the vote from the Senate: 86-8Hmmm, seems to me that the number of Democrats in the Senate hovers around the 50 mark. Where'd the rest of those votes come from? Oh yeah, Republicans.In the House, approximately 90 votes came from Republicans.So this was all the Democrats doing, wasn't it?


During the six years the GOP controlled Congress there was NO bill to increase auto mileage or any of the other provisions in the bill that became law this week. The Democrats are responsible for this bill and some GOP members supported what the Democrats prepared!
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
Just another of the animals pictured above.
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why do you want to insult the animals pictured above.
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

That is a LIE. The only thing Bush did with the energy policy was to give Big Oil tax credits that did NOTHING to make us more energy independent.

Nice try again he of challenged intellect, but you know full well that Bush prevented a huge government giveaway that was originally included in this bill.  Again you show your hypocrisy and hatred of Bush.

Lets get this right shall we.

The original bill requiring improvements in fuel efficiency standards included a giveaway to the automotive manufacturers to help them retool and upgrade their plants and factories so they could meet the challenge they are facing now.  On the one hand, the idea of helping our manufacturers get their factories upgraded is a noble goal, but why in the world does tax payer money need to go to these businesses to get them to do what they should have been doing on their own.

You know full well that you'd be screaming about Bush wasting government money and spending money that he shouldn't if he let that part of the original bill through.  He didn't though.  He threatened a veto if that was included, and thanks to GOP filibustering, it was dropped and the bill was changed to one that could quite easily pass both House and Senate with plenty of votes from both parties.

Were GOP votes needed at all?  Probably not, but then again the Democrats from the states that are dominated by automotive manufacturing are not at all happy (and neither are the GOP congress critters from the same areas).  Lose a few of those votes and you need votes on the other side.

So, the Democrats are about as responsible for all of this as you are responsible for the sun rising in the morning.  They've pushed for tougher standards, but then so too have GOP members of Congress and President Bush himself.  That the Congress wasted opportunities to do something about this in the past when President Bush jawboned on the issue is not Bush's fault, and probably not the fault of the GOP either.  There were other important matters before the Congress and they had priority.  There was also much stonewalling by Democrats of just about anything that the GOP wanted to get done because letting them have any victory, anywhere, meant possible losses in elections.

So, take your Democrat loving self and go crawl back under your rock you waste of human flesh.

Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top

For the record folks, here's parts of the news that the idiot tossing the labels around ("That's a LIE!!!") doesn't realize is out there for all to see:

From Kansascity.com (as an example) --

Bush was flanked by Democrat and Republican members of Congress who had ushered the legislation through.

The House passed the energy bill Tuesday by a 314-100 vote after the Senate cleared it last week following lengthy negotiations and sometimes testy confrontations. Bush had vowed to veto the original legislation passed by the House because it included $21 billion in taxes.

The tax provisions were dropped to get the bill approved.

Hmmm, really, it was all the doings of the Democrats, right?  Bush didn't sign it?  (nah, he didn't, did he?  It was sure to become law if he didn't, wasn't it?  Maybe, maybe not...)  GOP members weren't there while he signed it either, were they?

What a load of malarkey...

 

Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top

Freepress has some more of the info about what happened with this bill... i.e., the idea of $25 billion in loan guarantees (read that as government handouts) for the auto industry that was stripped from the original bill...

Michigan Sen. Debbie Stabenow was one of the eight votes against the final bill, criticizing the bill for eliminating several incentives aimed at helping the auto industry meet the new fuel economy standards, such as a $25 billion loan guarantee program for updating plants.

Earlier, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., had urged senators to pass the bill with the tax plan despite a veto threat from the administration, calling on them to "do the right thing for one of the most pressing problems facing the world today."

But despite calling in all Democratic presidential candidates from Iowa, Reid fell one vote short of the 60 needed to stop the filibuster, losing 59-40 with only one Democrat voting against, Sen. Mary Landrieu of Louisiana. Every senator except Arizona Republican John McCain voted on the bill.

Following the vote, Reid said he would strip out the tax package, and Republican leaders said the modified bill would face little opposition. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the House would pass the bill next week, calling it "a cause for celebration for our country."

$25 billion in potential government handouts that won't happen because the President threatened to veto the bill if included that money.  Money that was just supposed to magically appear out of no where, right?  Well, not really, it was going to come from $21 billion in taxes.  Taxes on whom?  Well who really pays taxes in the U.S. of A.?  That's right, in the immortal words of Leona Helmsley, taxes are for the little people.

Please oh Clueless One, explain your way out of how handing away $25 billion while only bringing in $21 billion isn't deficit spending?  Explain how it would have been a tax on people who should be paying more in taxes.  Explain how the Democrat's bill was better before Bush and the GOP forced a compromise.

Or, good luck trying there Jack, as in Ass.