In latest SCHIP expansion veto Bush makes important point

Too bad that the liberals will miss the point entirely....

from JoeUser Forums

As forewarned, President Bush vetoed attempt #2 by the Democrats to ram through an expansion of the SCHIP program.  No surprise there at all.  He said after attempt #1 that expanding the program, as proposed by the Democrats (and liberals), was too expensive and coverered people that it shouldn't be covering and yet the same people that saw the first veto went back -- changed nearly nothing -- and set themselves up for a second veto.  What is it that they say about people that fail to learn as they keep banging their head into the wall repeatedly?  (I'll leave that to some smart reader to provide details on...)

Something that will be lost in this news, though, is a very important point made by President Bush.  A point made in his speech on the veto:

"This bill does not put poor children first, and it moves our country's health care system in the wrong direction," Mr. Bush said in a statement notifying Congress of his decision. "Ultimately, our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage."

Note that bold faced area carefully.  Read what the President is saying here and understand it please.  The man is passing on some serious pearls here.

If we expand SCHIP as the Democrats want to, it will be cracking Pandora's box open that much more, getting the government into the business of providing insurance for that many more people, and once it starts, it won't stop and will never be changed back to it's original intention.

Look at Social Security.  It started as an insurance program and now what is it?  An entitlement program that is the biggest pyramid scheme ever foisted upon the U.S. citizens.  Take money from all, but never let it grow fast enough or well enough to provide for all of the people that are supposed to get it.  Don't needs test for it, just give it to everyone that ever paid in and let them suck the system dry because the money they take out now is in current dollars while the money they paid in was in the scale of 20 - 45 years ago, and doesn't come close to the amount someone really needs for retirement.

Any SANE and reasonable individual that saw what happened with Social Security would be scared out of their wits to think of letting the U.S. government take over the health care programs for all U.S. citizens, or for that matter any more U.S. citizens than are now covered by Medicaid and Medicare (and V.A. and other military programs).  Of course that doesn't stop the bleeting from those that want to argue that Bush is a cold, cruel, heartless S.O.B. that wants to leave little children under- or un-insured when nothing could be further from the truth.

 

Lest I forget, news clipping for the news on the veto: The Washington Times: Democrats' SCHIP bill gets second Bush veto

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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

 "Ultimately, our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage."


You're right, it will be lost on anyone who cares more about promoting socialism than helping kids


 

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am most curious as to how some people can say our current Govt can't do anything right yet they want the Govt to give us health care. That's like saying someone can't drive but I need them to take me to the store in their car.
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top

I had to read the article twice to spot the flaw in your argument.  See MY bolding.

Any SANE and reasonable individual that saw what happened with Social Security would be scared out of their wits to think of letting the U.S. government take over the health care programs for all U.S. citizens, or for that matter any more U.S. citizens than are now covered by Medicaid and Medicare (and V.A. and other military programs).

That is the problem in a nutshell.  The people you describe are nearing extinction north of the Potomac, and an endangered species outside the boundaries of DC.

Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top

Ultimately, our nation's goal should be to move children who have no health insurance to private coverage, not to move children who already have private health insurance to government coverage."

Terpfan, one question-

If kids who have no health coverage are moved to private health coverage, who will pay for it? Will the private HMO's pay the costs out of pocket, out of the kindness of their corporate hearts? Or, will the money come from the taxpayer, public money going into private pockets? Keep in mind everything in the private sector must be done at a profit. It is the law of the market!

I am outraged that people's right to live is getting in the way of a companies right to profit. It's just not fair for those poor downtrodden HMO's! Thos HMO's need a good return, so they should be able to charge people whatever they want, goldarnit!

The truth is that even if the poorer section of society move to private coverage, it will still have to be paid by the government, or else these people will not get coverage. This will be called additional "wealth creation" by the HMO's, but in reality will just be the shifting of more public money- your tax dollars- that the government will collect and then give to private companies. How will the government afford to shift more public money into private hands? By killing more public programs. If GWB soon gets his way you could very well be saying goodbye to welfare, public libraries and universal education. Hope you live in a wealthy town that can afford to provide it's own police, fire and road crews because pretty soon that's all gonna be privatized as well.

When the Chinese invade, please make sure you are living in an affluent community that will be able to pay Blackwater the top notch premium rates required for "quality" municipal defense forces. They won't be renting out their armoured and infantry divisions for cheap you know! Meanwhile, the U.S army regulars will either

A) be nonexistent as they were all incorporated into various private firms

or

B) be the poor SOB's who have to be the cannon fodder while the better equipped, trained and supported private armies hang back and wait to swoop in and finish the job after the regulars have softened up the enemy.

Wow, how did I get from healthcare to military? My apologies, guess I am on crack today!

 

 

 

 

Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top

I am outraged that people's right to live is getting in the way of a companies right to profit.

I am outraged that a person's right to live is contingent on a faceless bureaucrat with NO accountability to the victim whatso ever.  While profit may be a dirty word, in the end, that is the accountability the companies have to the victim - and it is more than that bureaucrat will ever have.

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
Artysim:
If kids who have no health coverage are moved to private health coverage, who will pay for it?
End of quote


You missed the point completely. The point of the line is that Aid isn't about seeing how many families can be dependent on the government, true Aid is only successful when families no longer need to be dependent on the government.

Right now, very few government programs even care about true Aid... and is the antithesis of the goals of the SCHIP program (or universal healthcare).
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
If kids who have no health coverage are moved to private health coverage, who will pay for it?


Read what the president said.... He did not say "poor kids without insurance", he said "kids without insurance" i.e. the parents just don't buy it for them. If a parent is presented with a choice of "FREE" health care, where is the motivation to buy it themselves, even if they have the means? Maybe that new plasm TV can be snatched up for what the insurance premiums might cost for the year. S-CHIP is a good program that is morphing into something rotten. If you don't believe it, I'd like to sell you on a $5000 new-baby bond.

Most peoples minds trick them into reading what is not there, based on thier personal feelings toward the issue. That's all the Bush haters see....Bush said what? Must be bad.