Dems Supported Low and Middle Income Issues in Debate!



The Democratic debate was very different from the GOP debate yesterday. For one thing the Democrats provided far more responsive answers to the questions then the Republicans. Second the thrust of almost every issue for the Democrats was focused on average Americans rather then on Big Business and the wealthy.

On the issue of education the thrust was to improve PUBLIC education and make the quality of that in the cities and rural areas equal to the affluent suburban areas. It was not to expand charter schools and choice which will not come close to dealing with the overall needs. If we do not provide a better public education we can NOT provide the quality of education by simply adding some choice that can not deal with the sheer volume. The responses asserted that it would take more active support by parents and sought an end to Federal mandates that add to the financial burden of local school districts like “No Child Left Behind.”

On entitlements there was an acknowledgement that the far more urgent problem was Medicare. This topic was ignored in the GOP debate. The need to find a solution to Social Security was acknowledged and there was a feeling we must keep the promises made to the retired and those about to retire. It was felt that lifting the income cap was the best way to fund Social Security. More effective cost control especially for drugs, HMO’s and reduction of the dollars to administer Medicare were supported as ways to help the immediate funding problem faced by Medicare.

The importance to have a Marshall Type plan to move up toward energy independence to implement renewable environmentally friendly energy sources and more efficient use of energy such as higher mileage standards was supported by all the candidates. This is in contrast to the GOP dialog that the “Market Place” will solve the energy problem.

There was Strong support to balance the federal budget by ending the Iraq war, cutting funding for star wars and new nuclear weapons and a reduction of Pork. There was an acknowledgement that VA costs, approved increase in the ground military levels and replacement of military equipment would be a large future burden on the budget. There was support to fund any NEW programs with cuts in other programs or new revenue.

There was strong support for universal health care starting with children.

The was support for additional middle income tax cuts to be paid for by returning to the tax rates in effect during the 1990’s on the wealthy and an end to the special tax breaks for big business.

On Farm Subsidies there was support to end the give away to large corporations and wealthy farmers and concentrate farm subsidies on the small family farmer.

There was universal support for FAIR trade not the so called free trade that allows countries like China to dump dangerous products in America, violate patent rights and manipulates currency exchange rates. There was recognition we must do more to protect manufacturing jobs in the U.S. and open foreign markets to our goods. This would Grow the economy which all the candidates stressed was essential for a strong economy.

In a not shell the thrust of the ideas discussed today by the Democrats focused on low and middle income working families and not the wealthy and big business! It stressed compromise not the one sided “do it my way” approach of the past 7 years. Obama and Edwards stood out but every one of the Democrats stressed the need to have policies that focus on the needs of the low and middle income Americans and not the interests of large corporations and the wealthy. The policy discussions were far more centrist then the conservative approach of the GOP candidates and the approval meter for Moderate as well as Liberals was very positive for most of the discussion!
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that is not what i saw during the 15 minutes that i could stomach.


hillary even went so far as to try and show how much better she is than thompson at one point.
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In a not shell the thrust of the ideas discussed today by the Democrats focused on low and middle income working families and not the wealthy and big business
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no it focused on spending and taxing.
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Reply By: danielostPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007that is not what i saw during the 15 minutes that i could stomach. hillary even went so far as to try and show how much better she is than thompson at one point.


I watched the entire debate and the issues I posted were those taken by the candidates!


Reply By: danielostPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007
In a not shell the thrust of the ideas discussed today by the Democrats focused on low and middle income working families and not the wealthy and big business
no it focused on spending and taxing.




That is NOT correct. The only mention about taxes was that they supported tax cuts for middle income Americans and a return to the tax rates in effect during the 1990's on corporations and the wealthy. How would you know if you only watched 15 minutes of the debate?
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How surprising. Gene being a cheerleader for the democrat debate. I hope you finally admit you are a democrat.
There was strong support for universal health care starting with children. The was support for additional middle income tax cuts to be paid for by returning to the tax rates in effect during the 1990’s on the wealthy and an end to the special tax breaks for big business.
Socialism at its finest!
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Reply By: Island DogPosted: Thursday, December 13, 2007How surprising. Gene being a cheerleader for the democrat debate. I hope you finally admit you are a democrat. There was strong support for universal health care starting with children. The was support for additional middle income tax cuts to be paid for by returning to the tax rates in effect during the 1990’s on the wealthy and an end to the special tax breaks for big business.Socialism at its finest!


No an American that believes we need to have policies that benefit the majority not just the wealthy!

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There was strong support for universal health care starting with children.
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That's funny considering the Democrats have tried to push 2 SCHIP bills they knew would be vetoed but sent them anyways. How does anyone believe someone would care for children when they are not willing to compromise or come up with a better idea but instead would use the children as a weapon to bring down the opposing party. So sad that elderly, children and soldier are considered ammo in the fight for the White House, what's even more sad is that the Democrats are the ones doing it the most.
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That's funny considering the Democrats have tried to push 2 SCHIP bills they knew would be vetoed but sent them anyways. How does anyone believe someone would care for children when they are not willing to compromise or come up with a better idea but instead would use the children as a weapon to bring down the opposing party. So sad that elderly, children and soldier are considered ammo in the fight for the White House, what's even more sad is that the Democrats are the ones doing it the most.


And the funniest part of it all? Even before this last one was vetoed, they were already getting a version of the bill that could pass together. And this version? It simply continued the funding at the current levels with the current eligibility requirements. Funny that. Even before it was vetoed, they'd given capitulated and were working on getting the bill AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN passed and to the President.

Funny that. And Dems are the ones that love the children.
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On the issue of education the thrust was to improve PUBLIC education and make the quality of that in the cities and rural areas equal to the affluent suburban areas.
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Yup. Preserve a consistently failing system, and keep pouring money into it, hoping more money will make the problems go away. Because we all know, money is the solution to everything. You get an "F" on this point, Gene.

These people aren't for the little people and anyone who thinks they are. Show me ONE instance where a socialist state (which, face it, is what they are proposing) has succeeded.
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No an American that believes we need to have policies that benefit the majority not just the wealthy!
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Gene,

How do 13% constitute the minority? Are you aware 13% of Americans are below our (artificially inflated) poverty line? You're a piss poor mathematician if you think that constitutes a minority!
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Reply By: CharlesCS1Posted: Thursday, December 13, 2007
There was strong support for universal health care starting with children.
That's funny considering the Democrats have tried to push 2 SCHIP bills they knew would be vetoed but sent them anyways. How does anyone believe someone would care for children when they are not willing to compromise or come up with a better idea but instead would use the children as a weapon to bring down the opposing party. So sad that elderly, children and soldier are considered ammo in the fight for the White House, what's even more sad is that the Democrats are the ones doing it the most.


The majority of Congress with support by both parties passed two measures to help Children’s health. The second bill that Bush just vetoed dropped the income to $63,000 and eliminated illegals. These were the two main reasons Bush sighted for his first veto. All that proves is there is no such thing as COMPERMISE with Bush-- It is his way or NO way- He is a Dictator pure and simple. It is Congress that makes the laws NOT THE PRESIDENT. The GOP who allows Bush to sustain his Veto will pay in November 2008! The reason nothing is getting done in Congress is because of Bush and the GOP prevent the Congress from passing laws and the appropriations needed to operate the government. Some Bills are first stopped in the Senate with cloture and then if they are passed by both houses Bush Veto’s them which requires a 2/3 majority in Both houses which is being prevented by the GOP members in Congress. The Constitution DOES NOT require a 2/3 majority to pass laws and appropriations. However Bush is abusing the Veto power to in effect require a super majority to conduct business in Congress.
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He is a Dictator pure and simple.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!

You don't know what a dictator really is then gene.
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Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Friday, December 14, 2007
No an American that believes we need to have policies that benefit the majority not just the wealthy!
Gene,How do 13% constitute the minority? Are you aware 13% of Americans are below our (artificially inflated) poverty line? You're a piss poor mathematician if you think that constitutes a minority!


It is not only the very poor that are in financial trouble today. Many in the middle class are living pay day to pay day. It is not the 13% you sight that are defaulting on their mortgages-- Those people do not own homes. The fact is that ONLY the wealthy are doing WELL and all the low income and the vast majority of the middle income Americans are not fairing well today. 47 Million Have no health insurance. That is about 14% of the total population. To claim that 47 MILLION with no hearth insurance is not a MAJOR issue is untrue. About 3 Million families have had their homes go into foreclosure so far and another 2 Million are in danger of that in 2008. All Americans, except for the wealthy are having problems paying the record high gas and oil bills. In fact the BIG BILLS for home heating have yet to appear in the mail. Add the loss of manufacturing jobs and the fact that most of the jobs being created are service jobs that pay far less with few if any benefits and the size of the problem goes far beyond 13%!
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It is not the 13% you sight that are defaulting on their mortgages-- Those people do not own homes.
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Wrong again...you really need to read more facts and fewer talking points. The fact is, home ownership is rapidly increasing among the poor.

ANd as for the mortgage thing, if I sign a stupid contract and default, that is on me, not the government. Unless you want a socialist state.

47 Million Have no health insurance.
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This number is pure bullshit and you have been shown that time and time again. 14% doesn't constitute a majority either.

If it did, I would be sitting in the Texas State House today.
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All Americans, except for the wealthy are having problems paying the record high gas and oil bills.
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BS!!!!

You are a propagandist gene.

And you think taxing employers and businesses higher will help the "average" person?  HAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Friday, December 14, 2007
It is not the 13% you sight that are defaulting on their mortgages-- Those people do not own homes.
Wrong again...you really need to read more facts and fewer talking points. The fact is, home ownership is rapidly increasing among the poor.


People below the poverty level do not own homes. You are full of BS! The point is that ONLY the Wealthy and a few at the top of the middle income are doing well.

Reply By: Island DogPosted: Friday, December 14, 2007
All Americans, except for the wealthy are having problems paying the record high gas and oil bills.
BS!!!!You are a propagandist gene.And you think taxing employers and businesses higher will help the "average" person? HAHAHAHAHAHA!


Providing the financial resources to provide essential functions of our government and to insure the promises are kept to the retired absolutely HELP THE AVERAGE PERSON. That is what is at stake. We are not generating enough tax revenue to pay for those things!

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Providing the financial resources to provide essential functions of our government and to insure the promises are kept to the retired absolutely HELP THE AVERAGE PERSON. That is what is at stake. We are not generating enough tax revenue to pay for those things!
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Essential functions of the government is NOT socialized healthcare, and the massive amount of other entitlement programs we have in this country.  The problem is spending on these social services and other useless things.


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People below the poverty level do not own homes. You are full of BS!
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Again, why let FACTS get in the way?

I own a home, Col, and I make substantially less than the median income...with a family TWICE the average size. I don't exist, however! I must also point out I own this particular home outright, except for a tax lien which is being paid in installments. It's a fixer upper, grant you, but there ARE ways.

I suppose next you'll tell me Habitat for Humanity doesn't exist? Last I checked, to qualify for Habitat's services, you had to be poor! If they're only helping the wealthy and the upper middle classes, I guess I'm going to have to stop donating to them.
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For the record, though, I'm not arguing with you. You've proven yourself to be pretty deluded. I will not, however, let your bogus statements remain unchallenged.
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Reply By: Island DogPosted: Friday, December 14, 2007
Providing the financial resources to provide essential functions of our government and to insure the promises are kept to the retired absolutely HELP THE AVERAGE PERSON. That is what is at stake. We are not generating enough tax revenue to pay for those things!
Essential functions of the government is NOT socialized healthcare, and the massive amount of other entitlement programs we have in this country. The problem is spending on these social services and other useless things.


Tell that to the people that can not live without those services. We have promised retirement and healthcare and we must keep those promises!
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Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Friday, December 14, 2007
People below the poverty level do not own homes. You are full of BS!
Again, why let FACTS get in the way?I own a home, Col, and I make substantially less than the median income...with a family TWICE the average size. I don't exist, however! I must also point out I own this particular home outright, except for a tax lien which is being paid in installments. It's a fixer upper, grant you, but there ARE ways.


Those at or below the poverty level (the bottom13%) make under $21,000 per year. People with an income at that level do not buy homes!

The issue is that the democrats support policies that help the low and middle income families and the GOP help the rich!
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Duh. Democrats pander to low & middle income voters, while devising clever ways of stealing them blind behind their backs and making them increasingly more dependent on government largesse. That's real news for ya.
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Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Friday, December 14, 2007Duh. Democrats pander to low & middle income voters, while devising clever ways of stealing them blind behind their backs and making them increasingly more dependent on government largesse. That's real news for ya.




That is pure BS! We will see in November 2008 if the majority want what the Democrats are doing or what the Republicans are doing! MY Bet is on the Dems!
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MY Bet is on the Dems!
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Big surprise there gene.  Why would you bet against the party you are a hack for?

But seriously for a minute...

You don't believe democrats pander to poor and lower class just for votes?


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You're like a crack addict, Gene - once hooked on the government tit, the tit can't ever be big enough.