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Dan Rather files lawsuit over Bush National Guard Story

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Dan Rather files lawsuit over Bush National Guard Story

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Dan Rather filed a $70 Million dollar lawsuit against CBS for being the “fall guy” over the Bush Texas Air National Guard story. The controversy over the authenticity of the order given Bush by his Commanding Officer to take a Required Flight Physical was the only issue everyone wanted to focus on. The facts about Bush and his service in the Air Guard were not important. In reality this story has many more issues the most important of which is how Bush got an Honorable Discharge without which he could never have run for Governor of Texas much less President of the United States.

The issues and questions that are part of the Bush National Guard service include the following:


How did Bush obtain his Commission?

Why did Bush seek a National Guard Commission?

Did Bush attend the required drills?

Did Bush participate in required training exercise?

Did Bush maintain his Flight Qualification by:

Attending the required drills?

By taking the required Flight Physical?

Did Bush receive an Order from his commander to take the Flight Physical?

Was a Board of Inquiry convened to investigate the grounding of Bush?

Where is the report from the Board of Inquiry?

Why did George Bush refuse to take his Flight Physical?

How did Bush receive his early release?

How did Bush get an Honorable Discharge given his refusal to take a physical and attend drills in Texas as ordered?
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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
ALL BS in the world can not alter these facts. ANY officer in the military worth anything can no0t condone the actions of Bush and to think that such a person is now Commander-in-Chief is unbelievable.


Especially in light of the stellar and noble military service of his predecessor (rolls eyes!)

And just what military experience does your gal Hillary bring to the table?
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
Once again gene.....nobody cares.  Bush missed a physical, how long ago was it again.

Bush is not being elected again, why don't you concentrate on the next election since it's so obviously you want democrats to be elected.  You are talking about an issue over 30 years old that will change nothing.

Do you undersand how obsessed you are with Bush?


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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
Once again Gene, you show yourself to be a lying little sack of crap.

Missing drills is an Article 15 offense, handled at the local commander's discretion.

You know this, but you are willing to lie about it just to make Bush look bad. Well, your lies do nothing but expose you for the insignificant little worm you are.
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Monday, November 26, 2007ALL BS in the world can not alter these facts. ANY officer in the military worth anything can no0t condone the actions of Bush and to think that such a person is now Commander-in-Chief is unbelievable.Especially in light of the stellar and noble military service of his predecessor (rolls eyes!)


Clinton did not take an oath to OBEY the Regulations and orders like GWB did when he was commissioned. No matter what Clinton did or did not do does not justify what Bush did? The central point is that GWB should have been made to account for failing to obey and that would mean we would not be having this exchange because he would NEVER have been President!
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply | | DeleteReply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Monday, November 26, 2007Once again Gene, you show yourself to be a lying little sack of crap.Missing drills is an Article 15 offense, handled at the local commander's discretion.You know this, but you are willing to lie about it just to make Bush look bad. Well, your lies do nothing but expose you for the insignificant little worm you are.


YOU are a LARGE sack of CRAP. Every word of what I posted is true and was proven by the official records of Lt. Bush and the direct statement of the secretary that typed the Order Bush disobeyed.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
The central point is that GWB should have been made to account for failing to obey and that would mean we would not be having this exchange because he would NEVER have been President!


You are ridiculous gene.  Why are you so obsessed over Bush?


Missing drills is an Article 15 offense, handled at the local commander's discretion.


Notice how he doesn't address this.


Reply #32 from JoeUser Forums Top
Clinton did not take an oath to OBEY the Regulations and orders like GWB did when he was commissioned.


Oh, so somebody who dodged the draft can serve nobly as CIC, while someone who used familial connections can't?

You have an odd view on things, Col!
Reply #33 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Gideon MacLeishPosted: Monday, November 26, 2007Clinton did not take an oath to OBEY the Regulations and orders like GWB did when he was commissioned.Oh, so somebody who dodged the draft can serve nobly as CIC, while someone who used familial connections can't?You have an odd view on things, Col!


I never said I was pleased about Clinton failing to serve. However Cheney did the very same thing

What Bush did is make it appear as if he served his country but when the needs of the military directed him to attend Drills, participate in a training exercise and take his physical and maintain his flight Qualifications he failed to obey. For that Bush should have been given the punishment his actions deserved.

At that time failure to report for drills caused the member to be placed on Active Duty which allows their assignment any ware including Vietnam. Do not forget during the time Bush failed to obey his orders, we were at WAR!!!!!

Failure to report to the training exercise, if that was ADT would mean Bush was AWOL. I am trying to learn if that training exercise was ADT (Active Duty For training) which would mean failure to report was to be AWOL. If the training exercise was Non active duty for training that failure to report was not AWOL.

Failure to obey Air Force Regulations to take a physical and failure to obey the direct order of you commanding officer are Courts Marshal offenses.
Reply #34 from JoeUser Forums Top
I am trying to learn if that training exercise was ADT (Active Duty For training) which would mean failure to report was to be AWOL.


Keep going gene, you are sure not to get Bush re-elected again.


Reply #35 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Island DogPosted: Monday, November 26, 2007I am trying to learn if that training exercise was ADT (Active Duty For training) which would mean failure to report was to be AWOL.Keep going gene, you are sure not to get Bush re-elected again.


The training exercise Bush failed to attend in 1972 was a two week Active Duty for Training exercise which makes Bush AWOL!
Reply #36 from JoeUser Forums Top
The training exercise Bush failed to attend in 1972 was a two week Active Duty for Training exercise which makes Bush AWOL!


Sure gene.  You now have a great chance at stopping Bush in '08. 
Reply #37 from JoeUser Forums Top
Which is still handled by commander's discretion.

Face it Gene, once again you are dredging up ancient history to make a point that isn't worth making.

You brought all this up years ago, and you lied about it then too.

Lt Bush got an Honorable Discharge. Get over it and get on with your meaningless waste of a life.
Reply #38 from JoeUser Forums Top
Col. Gene,

Well, here's a convert. I will definitely NOT vote for George W. Bush in 2008!

In fact, I think it's fair to say you've won over 100% of JU's audience! Congratulations!

Now can you try going to a forum that actually CARES?
Reply #39 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh, so somebody who dodged the draft can serve nobly as CIC, while someone who used familial connections can't?


and gave comfort and aid to the enemy. lets not forget that part.
Reply #40 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Island DogPosted: Monday, November 26, 2007The training exercise Bush failed to attend in 1972 was a two week Active Duty for Training exercise which makes Bush AWOL!Sure gene. You now have a great chance at stopping Bush in '08.


The issue is not Bush but his policies. Most of the GOP candidates for the most part support the Bush policies which is a good reason to not support them in 2008. We also need to deal with the members of Congress that are up for reelection in 2008 who continue to support the failed Bush policies!

Things like:

Private Accounts for Social Security
The Iraq war
Our Trade Policy
Immigration
Energy
Health Care
Continuation of tax cuts to the wealthy we can not afford.
Refusal to fund Medicare


Reply By: danielostPosted: Sunday, November 25, 2007dan rather is not sueing over the story dan rather is sueing because they broke his contract.


Dan Rather also contends the Story was TRUE. The fact that one document used by CBS was not the original does not make the assertions about the Bush Military Service untrue. In fact the secretary who typed the actual Order given to Bush says that the fake used by CBS was an accurate copy of what she prepared but not the actual document. Thus who ever prepared the fake document used by CBS must have scene the original Order. Since Bush did not obey that order or the regulation that required him to take a physical, the actual CBS story was TRUE!
Reply #41 from JoeUser Forums Top
the story Dan rather ran was proved false.

bush's commanding officer is the one that said it was false.

now do i listen to a man who would know what the truth was. or to a man who thinks the truth is an inconvenience.


i don't guys i need help here.
Reply #42 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Monday, November 26, 2007the story Dan rather ran was proved false.bush's commanding officer is the one that said it was false. now do i listen to a man who would know what the truth was. or to a man who thinks the truth is an inconvenience.


The Commanding Officer of Bush that issued the order for him to take his physical was DEAD at the time of the CBS Story. The late LTC Killian's Secretary said she did type such an order that was given to Bush. In addition to the Killian order, Air Force Regulations require an annual physical.

on Aug. 1, 1972. National Guard documents already released by the White House and the Pentagon show that Bush was suspended from flight status on that day for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination"

Killian's personal files show that he ordered Bush "suspended from flight status" but do not mention his alleged failure to comply with National Guard and Air Force standards.

In another "memo to file," dated Aug. 18, 1973, Killian complained that he was under pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, to "sugar coat" Bush's officer evaluations. "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job," he wrote in a memo titled "CYA." "I will not rate."
Reply #43 from JoeUser Forums Top
Most of the GOP candidates for the most part support the Bush policies which is a good reason to not support them in 2008.


And support someone like Hillary....LOL. 

Yeah, higher taxes and more social programs, just want gene wants from America.

Once again gene, nobody cares about the National Guard story.





Reply #44 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: Island Dog


Yeah, higher taxes and more social programs, just want gene wants from America.


Higher taxes on the top 10%-- Not on the Middle Income families!
Reply #45 from JoeUser Forums Top
Aug. 1, 1972. National Guard documents already released by the White House and the Pentagon show that Bush was suspended from flight status on that day for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination"

Killian's personal files show that he ordered Bush "suspended from flight status" but do not mention his alleged failure to comply with National Guard and Air Force standards.

In another "memo to file," dated Aug. 18, 1973, Killian complained that he was under pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, to "sugar coat" Bush's officer evaluations. "I'm having trouble running interference and doing my job," he wrote in a memo titled "CYA." "I will not rate."




the only problem is all of this stuff was writen on 2000 era paper with 2000 era ink. made to look like 1970 era paper and ink. in other words the paper work is false.
Reply #46 from JoeUser Forums Top
Higher taxes on the top 10%-- Not on the Middle Income families!


If you think you are going to pay for all of Hillarys social programs with just taxing successful American you are crazy. 




Reply #47 from JoeUser Forums Top
Higher taxes on the top 10%-- Not on the Middle Income families!




and again you cannot tax the rich because all they do is pass it down to the costumer.
Reply #48 from JoeUser Forums Top
the only problem is all of this stuff was writen on 2000 era paper with 2000 era ink. made to look like 1970 era paper and ink. in other words the paper work is false.


ONLY the order was found to be bogus. The other material and the statement of Mrs. Knox showed that there was such an order and Bush did not comply with the order or the Regulation that REQUIRED the physical. Also the order from the Air Force grounding Bush was from official DoD Records!
Reply #49 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: danielostPosted: Monday, November 26, 2007Higher taxes on the top 10%-- Not on the Middle Income families!and again you cannot tax the rich because all they do is pass it down to the costumer.


That is NOT True. If a senior officer of a big oil company has their tax rate increased they do not increase the price of gas because their personal income tax increased!
Reply #50 from JoeUser Forums Top
If a senior officer of a big oil company has their tax rate increased they do not increase the price of gas because their personal income tax increased!


no they get a larger pay raise than what they would have gotten and that is passed on,. by the way that is called cost of living increase