Bush is Bad

We got an arsewipe in OZ who's as trustworthy/reliable....equally despicable, but this is a personal computing forum. Perhaps your thread could be relocated to general discussion.

Hopefully, though, we'll be rid of ours after Saturday.

Saddam tried to kill George Bush senior.

George Bush Jr did what he had to to get Saddam. (Every man on the planet would probably do the same).

The aftermath he does not care about.

This is why the all the lies stopped after he got Saddam.

yeap, nt's right. the invasion of iraq was a personal vendetta between saddam and dubya. there were no wmd's as the world was told. the entire war outside of afghanistan has been a mess. we should've invaded afghanistan to retaliate 9-11. i've been against the war in iraq since day 1. i support our troops 100% but not the war. keep in mind, my son is in the army at fort bragg. fortunately, he has not been deployed overseas.

If that's all it was then the little dweeb should have done it personally...grow some 'nads and be a man, Bush, instead of snuffing out the lives of US servicemen [and others] just because some schoolyard bully picked on his dad.

"you pick on me and I'm gonna beat you up..."

"you and whose army?"

"exactly"

Bloody children.... but they're playing for keeps.

You've got elections this Saturday? Please, Please, Pleeeeeaaaase get rid of Jonny!!

I will cross my fingers this weekend.

I'm not in the mood to discuss this topic. I was just wondering why it is still in the Personal Computer area...

Bush has conviction and I support our admin 100%... and I don't care who knows I think that.  

I can tell I am going to be unpopular here. Fact one...you have had your vision and minds blurred. In the week leading up to the invasion Hans Blix ,himself, uncovered a long range missile producing facility complete with an engine testing section that was still in full production. These missiles were WMD. They breached the agreement and they argued the point when told to destroy them. The range made Israel easily within their capability. Engines being tested would have given these weapons a greater range. We know that WMD existed as Halabja proved. We know from the women scientists that Biological warfare materials were still being produced and worked on. We know that Saddam put everything on hold until the Inspectors had gone and then he planned to reactivate ALL programs. We know, as the UN Inspectors list shows, that there was still a long list of weaponry that Iraq had failed to reveal or prove destroyed. It does not take an Einstein to work out that the materials could easily have been transported out of Iraq to...say...Syria. Syria was where many regime members fled to. Perhaps the WMD were the fee for safehaven.  

No way, Carter comes in at a close second and he was worse than Bush will ever be.

Might I remind everyone that this was an act of war. It was also a direct violation of the terms of the Ceasefire.

Joe: Do you recognize any responsibility or authority of the United States to enforce the ceasefire of 91?

I agree with this Bush Bashing no matter where I find it. I have been told by soooooo many people that they didn't vote for Bush, if that is the case then who voted him in? I will bet no one wants to admit they did.
Four years was all we should have put up with from the start.
Since President Clinton left office it's become harder for the poorest to get anywhere.
There are no jobs, no one can live on min. wage unless they live with their parents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, friends, and perfect strangers.
Gas prices have just gone nuts and the war is part of that problem.
We are a country that is Trillians of dollars in debt again.
People are losing their homes.
Elderly and disabled do not have enough money to live on, and people in general are losing their collective minds trying to help them.
Our children are losing access to medical care and education that they need and the same for the elderly and disabled.
I am sick of what I see in our country right now.
I can not wait for election time and help us all if we don't find someone who can fix this mess and fast.
This country hasn't even found a way to rebuild New Orleans, calif. is burned to a crisp, this stuff stays in the back burner because the government is spending millions of dollars to keep a war going, and keep our men and women in other countries just to try to keep a lid on everything they can.
It's a question of when you pay your taxes, what do you really want to pay for?
Better schools, roads, medical care for everyone, better wages and more jobs?
I don't know about you but I see some very unhappy americans right now and no bright future in sight. People just don't like what is going on in our country but no one is listening, and Bush is deaf to our cries for humanity
Humanity At Home, Help At Home, Justice At Home and a Future That looks a whole lot better than what we are seeing right now.

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DO NOT KID YOURSELF

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. "

OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL OIL and who controls it......

Bush is controlled by forces we can't imagine.

If this movie was real Bin Laden would be dead. You can't tell me that with all the resources available to the U.S. government they can't get this son of a bitch?

What is going on?

LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES are what we are fed.

This is an agenda that is by and for the rich. What else can explain this madness?

This administration is against universal health care and tells people that they should save their own money for retirement. They have raped Social Security. They are liars and care little about the common man. They speak with a forked tongue.

THE NATIONAL DEBT IS 9 TRILLION DOLLARS AND THEY TALK ABOUT THE COMMON MAN BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN MONETARY WELL BEING!

Bush has said that he doesn't care about opinion polls. He says history will judge him. History has a tendency to a be harsh critic. I think Bush will be damned by history.

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sorry this one is the congress not the president. and mostly the democrats since they were in control of the congress for 40 years straight.

Ummm, Bush and his Dad never really got along... Bush Jr. kept embarrassing him by blowing family money on failed business ventures in Texas, so I kind of doubt Bush Jr. would risk impeachment for his Dad. Oil, well, the Bush family made their money in oil. First in drilling equipment, then in drilling for oil but that is a red herring. Oil is on the way out, as the fuel that drives our engines and economy. The real reason is hidden in 'where' Iraq lies.
There is a lot of oil beneath the sands of Saudi sands, but there is one thing that lies beneath those sands there is more of than oil. Gas,(not what the kind we will all be letting on Thanksgiving night) is why we are in Iraq. Right now there a huge reserves of propane gas beneath the sands of Saudi Arabia. When the oil wells run dry, and cars are all hybrid Saudis do not want to loose the flow of cash that they have become addicted to. Now, you can't pump gas on to a tanker and ship it all over the world, gas has to be sent via a overland pipeline. Iraq (and Afghanistan) stood between the Saudi's LPG (Liquefied Propane Gas) and their customers in Europe and Russia.
In order for the Saudi's to get their LPG to their awaiting customers (and continued wealth) they had to find a way to get the pipeline through Iraq and Afghanistan. That was not going to happen while Sadam was in power (and the Taliban controlling Afghanistan), and the Saudi's have had the Bush family (especially Bush Jr.) by the short hairs since before George W was Governor of Texas. With Sadam out of the way and the US controlling the land they needed for the pipeline the Saudis could build their LPG pipeline through Iraq and Afghanistan and to their waiting customers.
For all those who doubt what I am saying (and I am sure that a great many will), just keep watching and reading the news. Soon it will become clear to everyone in America that our troops have been the unwitting tools of the Saudi's. The pipeline is already being built, and some of our returning troops are already talking about seeing the elements of the pipeline at the southern border of Iraq, prior to our 'Shock and Awe' campaign. When you consider that Saudi's already have more than one Trillion dollars tied up in our stocks and capital investments, it becomes clear that Bush really had no choice than to clear the way for their continued wealth and control over the 'Next' fossil fuel dependency.
Time will tell the tale, and history will prove that American treasure was spent (and America blood was spilled) all in an effort to make sure Saudi Arabia stayed rich long after all the oil was pumped from beneath those sands.

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you forget iran is in the way

Ya know I was not going to touch this thread with a ten foot pole...Chabo, RIGHT ON!!! You nailed it and nailed it good.

Now I don't have to rant...but my son (inlaw not I adopted him as my son); is serving his second tour in Iraq. First time 12 months, this time 15 because Buch extended the tours. His unit is now in the traingle of death. The most dangerous zone in Iraq. He just called me tonight as he does from time to time. They live in tents with cots to sleep on (for 15 month) The place is so dangerous there is no mess tent. Their food is shipped in from helicoptors. Tonight he told me that last night they were being barraged so bad that the missles were like 3 seconds apart. His unit was getting their licks in to. But I knew from the silent words...it was bad.

When he came home after the first tour he could not sleep and when he did he had nightmares. It took momths to get back to a normal life and for what...truely it's OIL OIL OIL My son knows this.

Will this war ever end??? Bush started something that he knew could not or would not end. He is the puppet and does what the master says!!!



And if the spell checker is out tonight and you know who I am talking about   don't even bother me tonight.  

your American Dollars is training and arming Pallistinians Police and the Bush Gov.
is wanting to set up a Pallistinian State in Israel when they have 24 other states to go to . If this state comes comes into being ,it will be another Terror state like Gaza. IS THIS FIGHTING TERRORRISM? Concern Israeli
John

Oh thats another country I take issue with. Our country has been in bed with Israel for a very long time. We are the ones who gave them All the arms they would ever need to fight the Palaistinies and kick the out of their own country because they wanted to be a state.

Does anyone ever talk about having the UN inspectors go check out their nuclearer site. Oh you say they have the BOMB!!! They sure do and we gave it to them!!!

Do you also know that whever any new weapons of any kind are deveoped in the US that Israeli gets it to.

Oh and also we send them millions of dollars each year in aid...

Sad but true....too many needlessly die because twits in suits deem it to be just and send those (they control) in uniform to uphold their views.

Contrary to the arms manufacturers/dealers thriving business reports, there is NO profit in war, just death, destruction and debt....for all that 'localised/self contained' profit, there is a whole world of debt, misery and suffering - a whole raft of people living in dire straits, abject poverty and dreaming of even having a standard of living/quality of life.

Being the World's policemen might sound noble and just to those who ain't "agin us", but the cost in human tragedy far outweighs any good that is seemingly achieved.



Now that's a fucked up way of thinking....thousands upon thousands have to die for an unsuccessful attempt on just one man??....not to mention the billions upon billions of dollars that could otherwise be spent cleaning up your own back yard. And don't try giving me that crap about a humanitarian crisis and delivering the weak from evil, it was motivated by greed and was a gun-ho way of creating a greater humanitarian crisis than previously existed.

I'd say mschleisner said summed up pretty well what millions are thinking, not just in the US, but also here in Australia ....that the gov't is spending too much on war related efforts and not enough on humanitarian crises/issues at home.

The truth is, when it's NOT agenda driven, the governments of the world will unite against real threats to world peace...it is not for the likes of Bush to take it upon themselves to administer self-opinionated brands of justice and devastate the lives of millions....and the sooner this gun mentality is driven from existence the better off this world will be.

Oh, and Bush, if you're get to read this, you no need to wait for history to deliver its verdict, judgement...world condemnation of your actions is already in.

Yep, elections! According to the polls, li'l Johnny is gone, not that I put too much faith in polls/the system....what a lot people say regarding pollies

Apart from one or two businessmen who welcomed strong profits under li'l Johnny's 'Work Choices' legislation, I've not spoken to anyone who likes, much less votes for him, yet he got back in last time, the time before and the....

I'll be doing my bit to get rid of the scumbag...sadly tho, the Labor candidate in my electorate is a bloody idiot at best....and from personal experience, equally prone to promise breaking once he gets his way.

Couldn't agree more. And Bush is a goober of biblical proportions. And for me...this isn't my party is better than your party...as far as I'm concerned there isn't any difference. It just boils down to the man being a goober. But at the same time...I don't see enough people speaking out against him...I really don't think people care as much as they used to or should.

I used to say everything was circling the bowl...now...I think I'm starting to hear the giant sucking sound.

There are more that feel this way than people know. I usually remain silent on such discussions - I will say this though - no matter your position - one should strive to be informed - and perhaps go see for yourself what is going on - or - you can sit behind your safe walls watch the news and rely on the media - and anecdotal second, third or fourth hand information that always sounds the same but is never put to a true test for accuracy.



Do you really think that if we wanted to control the oil in the Middle East we couldn't do so?

I find myself wondering - so oil is always used as something evil and it is really all about profits and that we shouldn't be concerned about who controls it. - I ask that you simply think of this:

We can't go back in time and change how we got into this situation so we have to play with the cards we are dealt. Check your history and see WHO developed the oil fields in the Middle East in the first place - you may not be happy with what you find in light of your argument.

As you sit down to eat today - look at the food you and perhaps your family are about to eat. No oil - no food, don't think so? How did the feed and seeds get to the farms? What did the equipment used to farm run on? Think natural gas, wind and solar power will replace oil? How do you think the equipment and materials to maintain the infrastructure for these things is transported?

Have the oil supplies shut off in the middle east - a stated goal of our enemies - and see who the first people are that demand the United States take "whatever action" that is required to secure our strategic needs?

Oil stops flowing - no heat, no food, no medical supplies, on and on... Do you agree? Will you allow yourself to think about it?

If you feel so strongly about your position get a plane ticket and go see what is going on for yourself. Don't want to - why not?

I know this - I am thankful that it is Thanksgiving and I for one am counting my blessings and remembering those that are and have sacrificed so that this discussion can even take place.

- couldn't have said it better myself, did Bush just ask for another $40-60 billion for the iraq budget, I'd love to know how much has been spent in Iraq since this whole mess started.

- And then I would like to know how much has been spent on assisting hurricane Katrina victims who will likely be living out the rest of their lives in fema camps.

This is one thing that really stands out as an oddity with the Bush (league) administration. No hesitation in spending crazy amounts of money in Iraq but a real hesitation in assisting US citizens on US soil after an event like Katrina which could have been even worse (the truth is Katrina only really passed by the affected area, didn't go through it, the devastation caused by this hurricane is only a fraction of what it could have been had it hit it's mark). Why doesn't anyone else question this? I don't even say this as an american citizen, heck I'm canadian - We saw news reports from foreign news agencies in Canada before we saw anything reported from US news sources - why the delay in response? I wasn't the only one questioning this, it was part of the overall news at the time, why the delay in assistance, why was the foreign press getting on site quicker than local press? But if you notice the situation regarding the Iraq war, the US delivered a quick response, considering the size & complexity of planning required to coordinate war efforts in Iraq, the US response was quick.

Bush didn't even mention anything about the devastation caused by Katrina in his State of the Union Address in January 2006. I guess the mindset is out of sight, out of mind - maybe if I don't mention it, people will forget about it. And don't get me started about how the bush administration says that building the new orleans levees to federal standard (whatever that means, probably a low-end band-aid type approach) will cost too much money and they don't have the money for that type of project (10 billion) but he never has any problems finding the required money/asking for crazy money for his continued efforts in Iraq. Why doesn't anyone question this? Don't poor, poverty stricken people in the U.S. have a right to live and be protected by their country's government as much as/or more than the people of Iraq have that right to taken care of & protected by the U.S. government?

The U.S. is lucky that presidents can only serve 2 terms, I think it would be a nightmare for the entire country if that man continued to function as president.

And don't get me started on 9/11, I have too many opinions & ideas on what caused that and how it led to the current mess in Iraq.

It's not just about the goddam oil! It may be a factor, but not it's necessarily the primary one. More likely it's strategic positioning; the build up/growth of a power base; a power play/display just to show "WE CAN if we damn well want to"...and most certainly it's political bullshit to hoodwink the public into believing it is other than what it really is.

Much like the schoolyard bully stamps his authority, for Bush it's a show of strength to deter weaker elements from mounting challenges/arguments....and essentially, Bush is just a glorified school bully with a penchant for power and violence. Sadly, a few hundred years of political/social indoctrination has too many thinking Bush is a hero, rather than the warmongering thug he is.



I don't need to step into a war zone to know of needless bloodshed, horror and misery. My compassion for my fellow man is more than enough to know of the abysmal violence and atrocities against mankind. It's about mothers and fathers losing sons and daughters, wives and children losing husbands and fathers, about society losing too many good people....and I have seen the pain and misery of that first-hand, no thanks to a stroke of the President's/Prime Minister's pen.

No, I've never stood on a war-zone, thank God, but I stood in the ruins of some bombed out homes of WWII when I was a kid in England. There were no bodies during the late 50's early 60's, but there was always an icy cold chill going down my spine because I actually knew survivors who were horrifically scarred/disfigured - survivors who lost their whole family to a bomb that ripped their home apart. Standing in those ruins was very much a wake up to the horrors of war, particularly when my own father was bombed out twice during WWII and bore a scar where his 14 year old chest was ripped open by shrapnel.

Yep, that's how it was, the damage so widespread and complete, the ruins of a conflict that ended in 1945 were very much evident during the 50's and 60's. I don't know if there still any, having not been there for 37 years, but I feel it's one of the major factors that still influences Britons against war.

The US has never seen such widespread damage on its home soil, which is why presidents are still able to send sons and daughters, husbands and fathers to war....why US public opinion isn't more vocal against presidential pen-strokes sending loved ones to die or be permanently maimed.

Oh, and there's a huge difference between showing support for the troops who are merely carrying out politicians orders, and support for the warmongering arsehole(s) who send them there. Troops are cannon fodder for gutless heroes who sit in high places.... better they're at home with their families, don't you think!