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Who would have guessed we're allies

Who would have guessed we're allies

Who needs enemies...

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Australians love bagging Americans. This is not an opinion but a fact that has been ascertained by having to sit through countless conversations where the generic American has been the subject. More often than not Shakespeare’s Richard the Third has been treated more kindly than this American that is just as fictitious as the hunch-backed despot.

Why is it that Americans inspire such animosity, what in many cases is constituted of a envious respect and a persistent annoyance? The Columbine shootings are exemplary of why the Americans are considered to be such idiosyncratic creatures. Since they are at the helm of the biggest economy they feel it necessary to shoot each other in prodigious numbers. News reports from the States are conflicted in that they sound like they are the products of both a highly developed, affluent Western country and a newly emerged central African war zone. Children shooting children! Really? How barbaric. We cannot understand how such things happen although we are starting to get a taste of it in our suburbs.

There is one thing that can be said about American teenagers. They are an ambitious lot. When they set out to do something they really do it. This could be seen to be an appalling remark given that thirteen people lost their lives and twenty-one were injured that august day. The event was also a violent expression of the disaffection and disenfranchisement that plagues and, at times, drives American youths. Columbine is a reference point used when trying to come to grips with modern American culture and where we as Australians stand in relation to it. It is in our choosing of references such as Columbine that leads us to have throw an American on the Barbie days rather than viewing objectively the people of one our most important allies and greatest cultural influences.

We cannot understand why the Americans went to war in Vietnam (even though we leave unquestioned why we went with them), we do not understand why one in five American high school boys have at one time taken a weapon to school, we do not understand why American films that, supposedly are barren wastelands bare of script, talent or message dominate the local cinemaplexes; we do not understand why a country which is sold as the world’s democratic leading light witnessed the Kennedy brothers assassinated with the accompanying gunfire crescendo of Martin Luther King’s death. We do not understand how two boys can walk into a school and kill thirteen people within 16 min and have failed what was their original mission – to kill everyone in that school and those who came to help them. This is a chilling portrait of barbarism and it should be interpreted as such but we, along with the Europeans and most of the third world have a habit of taking it to the illogical conclusion that all Americans are evil, if not explicitly than at least tacitly.

We do not understand so we do what all good Christians, Muslims, Atheists, agnostics, liberals and communists do when they do not understand something… we bash it. The American has become the mythical, if not actual, victim. We kill a million American’s a day. That is if tongues could kill.

And who is it that leads this lynch mob against the new imperials? Well, I’ll be damned. It’s those Americans. Even when it comes to the great, global critique of the American way the bastards have done it again and imperialised it. Conquered it wholesale. There is nothing more pathetic than an idiot in a huff expecting a fight, only to find their opponent actually agreeing with them. This has happened to us time and time again and it is not that we are beaten to the starting line, it is just that our voices are so meek and the American voice is so very loud when it is booming with victory or harping with self-criticism.

Let us take Michael Moore for instance. This is a man that has made a profession of America basing. We have a stupid white man screaming at other stupid white men and any other men/women of any other race, colour or greed have very little chance of getting their two cents in. Those sixteen minutes that blasted a community apart, that required a reappraisal of innocence and the age at which it is lost, was turned into an Oscar winning tirade by Moore through his Bowling for Columbine. We all know how loudly American cinema can speak, and Bowling for Columbine has nullified any foreign criticism that could be directed at American culture and society.

This is the, often unacknowledged, strength of America. It can head off international criticism in a way that other nations can’t. It has the loudest voice and the recent European verbal violence against the U.S.A was an isolated incident where the European nations used a global forum and the US media itself to propagate its message. The first thing you should do when you want to avoid an argument with someone who has a good one is to agree with them. American culture accomplishes this beautifully. There is an American web site called GeorgeWBushWhackers (www.georgewbushwhackers.com) started after the 2000 presidential elections. It has become obvious that no one on God’s green planet enjoys Bushwhacking more than those who apparently elected him. It is no small indication of America’s love affair with its own hatred that Moore’s book Stupid White Men was on the US best seller list for over a year.

It is time that Australians recognise America’s love affair with its own self-hatred and realise that whatever we have to add to the argument is redundant and superfluous. The chances of the Americans having said first whatever it is that we were about to insult them with is just too great to risk. A telling tale that exemplifies this is the Loser Turd Mafia.

Much was made of the two Columbine’s shooters association with the Trenchcoat Mafia, a group of social misfits who banded together in face of “popular” ostracisation. Pauline Colby, a former member of the Trenchcoat Mafia said, “They were just very angry, but they didn’t know how to release their anger.” The Loser Turd Mafia is also another collective of pissed off American high schoolers that highlight the dual nature of the American beast. They complain and criticise in a constructive manner that has lead to the growth of a global community rather than the local death of many.

The Loser Turd Mafia was started by a group Lawrenceburg High School students who were also outcasts sitting around a cafeteria table and discussing how they should respond to the Columbine shootings. This group of friends thought that the Trenchcoat Mafia and the Columbine shooting had “disgraced the loser title,” and that a voice should be provided for American youth who were pissed off and disenchanted but wanted to come together rather than pull apart. The web site that emerged from that discussion is hilarious and a glowing beacon for American optimism. If you look at photos of the two groups side by side, the Trenchcoat Mafia and the Loser Turd Mafia, they are fundamentally indistinguishable. It is in their responses to the same circumstances that set them apart and it is also this that shows most forcefully the dual nature of American society. It is a two headed monster with the two heads constantly snapping at the other complaining of the others ideology.

The US media network is awash with others just like Michael Moore, GeorgeWBushWhacker.com and the Loser Turd Mafia. One of America’s most famous, outspoken and intelligent critics is, surprisingly enough, another American, Noam Chomsky. Even after 9/11 Chomsky continued to lambast the American government for its foreign policy and cultural arrogance. He published a book titled 9/11 that argued the contextual reasons for the 9/11 attack. Undemocratically but understandably the book was criticised in the US which at the time was less interested in context than in retaliation.

The point however is that the Americans did not need us or anyone else telling them why such and such a thing had happened, or what it is that the Americans are once again doing wrong, they have that covered already, thankyou very much. For God’s sake! They have Noam Chomsky.

It is time that the ability that America possesses to self-analyse and self-criticise is taken into account whenever we decide to utter a sentence with the word “American” included. We might think that criticising the US is a quick and easy way of sounding intelligent, worldly and abreast of current and important affairs. Chances are the use of America and its doings in long angry rants are a sure way of saying something that has been said a million times before. To add insult to injury, on average 999,980 instances of that remark have probably been made by an American. Keep that in mind next time you take on a Californian accent to mimic a New England personality to insult a Texan president.

Disclaimer: This is not in defence of American impunity or imperialism.




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Reply #26 Top
"aussies"

hmmmm i seem to be the one who was using that expression. perhaps i shouldnt have? if so, i sincerely apologize.
Reply #27 Top
Don't apologise for squat Kingbee. We don't take offense to the term or its evocation of silly men throwing animals on barbeques and stomping through the bush seeking animals that aren't as domestic as steaks.

Psychx - I am certain that it's Americans that watch America most vigilantly. Its enemies and allies are way to selective to take your country as a whole, as a thing that cannot be contained in a single image or action. It could be true that the left hand knows not what the right is doing, its vision obscured as it is by the rest of the body, but it is also true that if you want reasons and causes for human action you turn to the person responsible. If they possess a conscience, so much the better. From the amount of dissent, criticism and constructive reaction being undertaken by Americans in response to American actions, I am more than certain that America's conscience is alive and screaming.

Mig - i loath the thought of having to explain myself to your family. I fear i might have to pay a toll of some sort.

It was a terrible liberty that i took, but i took it with the best of intentions. I hope they recognise this and practice mercy. I would settle for a spanking, but there would be some in the LTM ranks who would find this terribly amusing and start claiming that i would enjoy my punishment.

And i'm sure that the fine people of America could extend us that courtesy. How could they not? How can anyone take the land of the Kangaroo and platypus (two of the quirkiest animals on this God given planet) seriously enough to hate it?

Marco XX
Reply #28 Top
Mig - i loath the thought of having to explain myself to your family. I fear i might have to pay a toll of some sort.

It was a terrible liberty that i took, but i took it with the best of intentions. I hope they recognise this and practice mercy. I would settle for a spanking, but there would be some in the LTM ranks who would find this terribly amusing and start claiming that i would enjoy my punishment.


punishment ... well, don jesse still has wesley and steve under their (self-proclaimed) banner of "fat guy thugs". they say it's just a state of mind rather than a size issue, but they still won't let me be one. sizeists !

i can't imagine what jesse will think up (ok, yeah, i can, but i don't want to). but steve, well ... we are talking about somebody who voted for "hide and go f*#@ it" as his favourite game for lf04.

and you ? sado-masochistic ? oh, i simply cannot for the life of me even begin to imagine such an thing.

mig XX
Reply #29 Top
I wanted to respond in what I hope will be taken as a humorous manner, but without hijacking the thread. You can see my satirical post at http://kupe.joeuser.com/index.asp?AID=16908

On the serious side, I think like most Americans, I am constantly shocked by what the world knows about us and just as shocked as to how we are perceived. Not to by any means denigrate or play down the importance of the Columbine shootings, but this tragic event would have never have received the same publicity had it taken place in, say, Rwanda. Or Israel. Or Australia, for that matter. Thirteen lives tragiclly ended, see the memorial site at http://www.chsmemories.org/memory.asp. But because it took place in the country that is the media capital of the world, the world knows about it and examines it. A similiar crime, motivated no doubt by Columbine, took place in Erfut, Germany (18 dead, see http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/04/26/germany.shooting/.) Sweden recently had its first school shooting (http://www.keystosaferschools.com/Sweden_School_Shooting.htm) But Michael Moore won't make movies about these events, decrying a malaise in the European spirit. After all, death is always tragic, but a death on camera is marketable.
Reply #30 Top
alright. i guess its my turn to weigh in. as one of the founding members of the LTM (one of the elite 5 -- the name was taken from pokemon with its elite 4 -- now you now serious we take ourselves), i want to thank you for writing the ltm into your article. it is the perfect counterpart to the columbine incident. a couple things that dont effect the article much but were mentioned wrong by you or someone responding: they did it in april (i know, cause it was 4/20, so its easy to remember) and that makes it so they just a couple weeks of school until they were out of there. nothing big, but i thought id point that stuff out since i actually knew somehting for once.

mig, steve wouldnt be a sizist, he'd be a fatist. hehe we've used the term before so it shall be decreded!

hmm, what else.... since i am from the US i dont know exactly how other countries view us. of course, i read things like this and all that jazz, but its like the butthole surfers song "pepper" when he says "you never know just how you look through other people's eyes". no matter how much you are told you dont know the feeling people get in their gut when they think of you. and you can NEVER know that, because most people that have that feeling dont even recognize what it is. so, you established the 2 sides of the US and i thank you for that. i think a lot of countries (hell, any number of groups and organizations) tend to put things in black and white. it makes it easier for people understand things.

here are a few observations about the US (from someone that doesnt enjoy the majority of the way its run). mind you, these are in no way excuses.

we are only a bit over 200 years old. as far as countries go, we are young.

we have no heritage that we can call our own. we call ourselves a melting pot. that means that not only do we take from everyone else's cultures, we bastardize said cultures. canada has the same coming together of cultures but they dont claim to be a melting pot, they are proud of being a place that all the cultures come together in the same pot but dont mix together.

we were founded by religious zeluts (sp?). the puritans were "persecuted" if by that you mean they werent allowed to practice their cult-like worship. so, that right there is a pretty bad start for us.

our saving grace was the guys that wrote and signed the constitution were everything from poligamists to deist (shout out to diests, anyone! clockwork god, holla!) to cryptic freemasons (remind me to post info on the building of washington d.c., heavy shit). hell, i dont remember which (us americans and our bad knowledge of history), franklin or jefferson wanted to do away with slavery in the constitution but it was revised out because they just wanted to get rid of the british first. hell, there you go! to quote the teacher from dazed and confused "this 4th of july, when you are innendated (sp?) with all this bicentennial broo-ha-ha remember you are celebrating that a bunch of slave owning white aristocratic white males didnt want to pay their taxes."

im sure i could go on, but i think i may lose my point. its just that we dont have much in the way of culture of our own as a base for acting so we have to adopt the philosophies of the more present time. this leaves us with capitalism as the national religion.

i guess to put it as short as i can: so many people have it so well in the US that they dont want to take the blinders off. complacency leads to nothing good.


hell, McDonald's touts that you can walk to one no matter where you live in the US and they are frieghtenly close to right.

we have nothing to cling to. if we are the people that influence the rest of the world, who do we have to tell us what to think?
Reply #31 Top
Not to by any means denigrate or play down the importance of the Columbine shootings, but this tragic event would have never have received the same publicity had it taken place in, say, Rwanda. Or Israel. Or Australia, for that matter.


hell, in the US we only focused on it because it was white upper middle class kids. it happens (not on such a scale, mind you) in our bigger cities with all those insignificant minorities (sarcasm, of course).

and you are right, notsohighlyevolved we do the fat kid thing. we point out that the US is terrible so you cant anymore. its like the fat kid in grade school that makes fun of being fat so when other kids do it cant hurt anymore. now i wonder if we do it because we are socially aware (way too many people in this country are border-line nationalists) or we do it like the fat kid, for defense.


disclaimer (yet, more sarcasm): i dont hate fat people. i even knew a fat kid once. he was ok.
Reply #32 Top
remind me to post info on the building of washington d.c

ohhhhhh man id think twice about revealing too much of that

coolit!
Reply #33 Top
I also happen to think, and i might have iterated this in another of my comments, that Columbine took on such gargantuan proportions because it happened exactly where, and involving people, we would expect it less.

The idea of poeple killing people - senselessly or otherwise - in third world countries is not novel or shocking when that idea comes to fruition in reality. People who are poverty stricken and politically marginalised might have damn good reasons to pick up the nearest automatic weapon to resolve a few of their "issues".

Columbine happened within a politically and economically central demographic of America, not on its margins. It made us realise that when the need for objects and political validity have been met, there are a multiplicity of things that can still go wrong. That the "dream" realised could still turn south and bite you on the ass.

Too many wrongs that occur in the US can be blamed on contigencies such as poverty and political marginalisation, it couldn't be blamed this time. This time there was something wrong with the grain of the timber, something wrong with the mahogany paneling of white bread America - something cultural and embedding itself like a parasite in the beings of the supposedly privilidged and well pampered.

Money is supposed to buy happiness, right? America should be swimming in the stuff. Rainbows and picking sunflowers in paddocks of contentment. Which leads is to the question - why, when all the conditions are so right, can things go so wrong?

The point of my article was to suggest that, perhaps, the only people qualified enough to posit any plausible answers are the people that live in the question. I state this with a concurrent thought - they are also the only ones that can fix it. Sometimes the rest of the world has to move over, like the US should, at times, when it comes to the rest of the world, and let the problem be its own solution.
Reply #34 Top
the country as a whole is wealthy but we have a huge gap between the rich and the poor. the middle class is shrinking. i think the stat is something to the effect of: the top 5% has 50% of the wealth and the other 95% of the US has the other 50%. itll never be equal, cause that goes against the whole fact someone makes more than others. but that is a huge gap.
Reply #35 Top
I don't understand America either and I was born here and lived here all my life. America is dynamic and disfunctional. It's constantly in other people's business to my dismay and I don't know why we killed 50,000 of us in vietnam. We make laws and bitch about them. It's fun to piss off the world, I guess. I guess I'll keep my American citizenship. Wouldn't want the rest of the world to run out of some body to bitch about!
Reply #36 Top
You know I too have lived here and was born of this country (US) but My babygirl had it right I am the first to tear down this nation for the simple fact that we are in other people shit all the damn time, granted it nice and all that we are trying to help everyone and shit but goddamn it motherfucker how about you stop fucking with people around the world and start focusing on your own damn country, if I am allowed to gain citizenship of Australia, dont expect to see me in american any fucking time soon, because of the simple fact that we are as a nation retard as a box of shit. I am american, I was raised american, I was taught to have pride in our flag but now as I talk with indivduals of other nations on a daily basis I find that America is more fucked up than I had originally thought, will my faith ever be put back in america as a good nation and as a well country, simply put. No. Why? Because we elect morons such as Bush to run our country with his gun happy self, hes from Texas, as am I, and I think I can state with knowledge that everyone from Texas is not the brightest crayola in the box. And yet somehow he got elected and the only reason I think he did was the fact that he was running against his VP, a tree hugging lazy ass, it wasnt who was better in that campain, it was who wasnt lazy. I think many americans have come to realize that Bush really is a dumbass. Like Jess said, if there is anyone that can tear down this country better than her its me, I can attack it on all fronts.
Blog on Marco

Thomas
Reply #37 Top
Sld6 - I hear you, and i guess you could extened that statistic the world over. In a country with an economy that's the size of the cyclops it should be different, but like that mythical beast the depth perception just isn't there.

Joe98 and cann1bal - angry words. And it will be these angry words that will change your country, just like i'm hoping it will change mine.

Marco XX
Reply #38 Top
Hmmm Thomas...

It's people like you that we need to stay in America!!! damn straight I would be porund to call you a compatriot! Those who lose faith have lost a spark! I know I cant speak to every American, but everyone that is fortinate enough to have dialogue with citizens of the world, needs to preach the word within your country!!!

You know where I stand, but I still have faith! that is why I freely blabber about all I think that is bad about the red white and blue flag of yours - maybe some people will point me out as a crackpot with a dope habit - but I know in my heart what is happening is wrong, and I trust my intuition, and hopefully, other people will trust my intuition, and see the USA for the capitalist moster it really is - as I beleive you have!

Same goes for you Marco - I am ever so glad you - A Brazillian Aussie, fight the good fight. I am proud to call you both brothers. Luckily their are people who fight the rot, because people are the best tool, educate them, and they become a weapon.

Dont lose faith guys.

BAM!!!
Reply #39 Top
One thing I as an Aussie never understood about Bowling for Columbine is HOW (if it's true)the teens could purchase the bullets from K-MART.

We don't understand this tragedy because nothing like it has ever happened here.

Port Arthur was the closest thing but Martin Bryant was an adult who didn't need ID to purchase bullets.

We've had our crimes - Ivan Milat and the backpacker murders, that woman who killed all her children, the postcard bandit, the numerous kidnappings, rapes, murderers and abusers.

but the common trend was they were all adults

Pre Columbine something like that was unheard of to an Australian. Post - not so much - no we haven't had any kids mass murdering their teachers/fellow students

But we've had those Asian boys killing that other asian boy.
We've had gang rapes.
We've had Aboriginies rioting (children as young as 5 throwing rocks at police officers.)

But every murder, rape, body found, missing teenage boy, riot, gangland shooting - is reported - I'd like to think that it's because we're proud Aussie's and every life is precious to us - but it's more likely because we're so small as a country that it's all NEWS.

Reply #40 Top
Michael Moore's central point was, I thought, that having a country chock full of guns leads to stupid, stupid, stupid, things happening.

If one looks at the murder rate in the US, it's about ten times higher - per capita - than most of the rest of the western world. Why? Well, there might be a lot of other reasons, but a huge one is the access to guns [the amount of people killed in the US by guns is, yes, suprise - about 10 times higher per captia than other western countries]. However, these rates are climbing outside the US as more and more guns are being generously exported through legal and illegal means, by gun manufacturers. Thank you NRA!

It's just too easy to kill people when guns are available. Just like a nuclear holocaust will be inevitable, the more that easy weapon of destruction is handed out.

In the rest of the world, and even with recent American immigrants I've spoken with - they'll don't understand how a society can be, collectively, so myopic.

Reply #41 Top
Related to many nice Americans - In Bowling for Columbine Moore claimed that Canadians have as much access to guns as Americans do, but their country seems to be a lot less violent. He puts this down to sociological and economic reasons. He claimed that its not just guns that are the problem - its people and the way the run a country.

Marco
Reply #42 Top
haha - Happy Gilmore

"guns dont kill people - I kill people!"

BAM!!!
Reply #43 Top
As I Canadian, I dispute Micheal Moore's claim that Canadians have as much access to guns as American's do (Although I don't remember that claim in the movie). That's simply not true. Handguns - the most deadly type of gun - is very hard to get a permit for here, and you have to have a permit to transport it around. You can't simply carry one around at will.

Moore's claims near the end of the movie that Canadians aren't fearful and don't lock their doors doesn't quite fit either. While we are a far less violent society, (so the stats say), alot of it boils down to one simple fact: limited access to guns. Other factors play a role not doubt, but, at the end of the day, there's no denying limited access is the primary factor.
Reply #44 Top
By the handgun permits, you actually need a permit to own one, and a separate permit to transport it. The transport permit is very specific ... you are transporting it from here to there, at such and such a time, and then back, at such and such a time.

Criminals, of course, can't seem to be bothered with the paperwork ...

Reply #45 Top
By access, i meant how guns are sold and distributed. In Australia you can travel for miles and not come across a gun store (the only place they are sold). How are they sold in Canada?

Marco
Reply #46 Top
the postcard bandit

my turn to be shocked and awed. to the best of my knowledge, weve never had anyone steal postcards (except perhaps professionals who 'found' a truckload that 'fell off a truck' someplace). is there much money in it?


nonmingusbeans!

Reply #47 Top
Through a precursory check, and I do mean, precursory, estimates range from 7,200,000 to 11,000,000 firearms in Canada(Link) With a population of approx 32,000,000, that's about 1 firearm for every three people at the highest estimates. That's a lot of guns. Like I said - easy access.

I also note that you guys sell guns in sporting goods stores. That's unheard of in Australia, or NSW anyway. ( I could be wrong here. I haven't travelled much through the regional centres of Australia, or NSWs for that matter. If i am, any Australians, let me know).

The point was that it isn't just access to guns that lead to a violent culture. There are a whole lot of other factors.

Marco

Reply #48 Top
following the link you provided, i see an estimate of 222,053 handguns for canada. the us estimates ive found so far arent expressed in numbers BUT percentage of households (jeez) like 29% of all us households.

there are a lot of hunters in canada which would explain the total number of firearms. 222k is a very small percentage of course

this data is over 10 years old and predates columbine but...

Handgun murders (1992) (22)

Handgun............1992 ..... Handgun Murder
Country ..........Murders........Population..................Rate (per 100,000)
-----------------------------------------------------------
United States.....13,429..... ..254,521,000...................5.28
Switzerland ................97........ ....6,828,023..................1.42
Canada.....................128 ...........27,351,509 .................0.47
Sweden.......................36................8,602,157............... 0.42
Australia .....................13...............17,576,354 .............. 0.07
United Kingdom 33 57,797,514 0.06
Japan 60 124,460,481 0.05

i was kidding about being shocked by postcard banditry. those figures are truly shocking if for no other reason than the ridiclous difference between the highest and next highest rankings.

dammit this table breaks up and im not sure if a table commands are available

heres a link to the page where i found these stats. scroll halfway down guns
Reply #49 Top
I would be wary of any conservative estimates for the number of firearms (I.e. not only handguns) in Canada. You have to keep in mind that up until 2003, only handguns and restricted weapons (e.g fully automatic, large capacity magazine capable, etc) needed to be registered. Up until that time, a licenced owner could buy as many weapons as they wanted without the state knowing exactly how many they had purchased. Link

Marco
Reply #50 Top
I have been assimilated. What else could explain this persistent drooling problem.

Marco