Vista Hating Shows Strength of XP

As I watch the back and forth between people who like Windows Vista and those who, umm, don't, a thought occurred to me.

More than underscoring a weakness in Windows Vista, the opposition proves a point that unfortunately Microsoft's PR department is slow to pick up on:

People LIKE XP.

I saw the same thing after Windows 98 came out. A lot of users were reluctant to change, not so much because 98 was bad, but because they were content from what they were getting out of their Windows 95 machines and had a hard time understanding how the experience could be improved upon.

In the case of XP, it delivered everything the unsophisticated end user could ask for: stability, security, and an intuitive, user friendly interface. Those who had lived through the BSOD era brought about in the 98 days (and continued through the ME days, when the blue screen seemed more common than a clean boot), were ecstatic to see what XP brought about, and the system brought about the long awaited merging of personal computers with multimedia.

I can't argue about the advantages of Vista, especially as it is built for advanced systems and optimizes 64 bit architecture. But the fact is, to many end users, XP is adequate for their needs.

Microsoft built a great product in XP, one that a lot of people are sorry to see go. And there's a lot of public relations potential in that fact. It's just too bad Microsoft does not seem to realize it.

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When people ask me about upgrading either hardware or software I always ask them what they need to do that they are unable to do now.  In rare cases can they tell me what they want to upgrade for.  The largest percentage of valid answers is "games".

Other than that, more memory solves any problems they might be having.
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People LIKE XP.


I think it's more along the lines of people don't want change. The same thing happens with every release of a new OS that Microsoft puts out. It's nothing new.
), were ecstatic to see what XP brought about


Actually many people did the same thing that they are currently doing with Vista. They nit-pick and just plain out didn't see the need to upgrade from Win2k.
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Actually many people did the same thing that they are currently doing with Vista. They nit-pick and just plain out didn't see the need to upgrade from Win2k.


Actually, most people didn't HAVE Windows 2000 (which, btw, was a great O/S!). On their home computers they had the crappy ME.

I don't think people who don't want to change to Vista are nitpicking at all, Astyanax. I think there are as many valid reasons for not upgrading as there are for upgrading at this juncture. If, for instance, I ran a business that had spent $50,000 on software and/or equipment that was not Vista compatible, I would want to get as much life out of it as I reasonably could.
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I ran a business that had spent $50,000 on software and/or equipment that was not Vista compatible, I would want to get as much life out of it as I reasonably could.


Corporations/Businesses are always the last to upgrade to a new OS. My comment was aimed at the End-User. It wasn't aimed at companies. It's going to be another year before those guys start moving over, it's like that with every OS.

And I disagree with your comment about Win2k. There where tons of people using that OS that didn't want Windows XP.
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And I disagree with your comment about Win2k. There where tons of people using that OS that didn't want Windows XP.


Win2k, though, was primarily released for business class, not for home use. If you bought a box "off the shelf" at a discount retailer, odds were it was an ME machine.

As for those running Win2k, though, in the early years, they had no reason to upgrade. It still is a good O/S now for those older, low end systems that still have life left in them but run like dogs on XP.

And back to the end user, don't underestimate the investment they have in software and equipment that might not be Vista compatible.

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I like XP. No problems with it. So, isn't there a pattern here - good OS, bad OS, good OS, bad OS?

I think I'll skip Vista and wait for the one they make that's good enough to get Vista users to upgrade to, because it will fix all the Vista problems.
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Read it & weep Xp lovers....mwahahaha!!!!

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I saw the same thing after Windows 98 came out.


I don't think the bitching was nearly as wide with any other switch as it is with XP to Vista though. There hasn't been this radical of change since 3.x to 95. From Win95 to XP the changes were noticeable with a small learning curve. XP to Vista is MAJOR and the learning curve is substantially steeper.
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I don't think the bitching was nearly as wide with any other switch as it is with XP to Vista though.


I think thats because the gap between XP's release and Vista's release was much larger than any other OS they had released? So there where alot more people that didn't really want to let go of XP.

@starkers: That doesn't surprise me one bit. Why would MS continue its support for the OS when they want everyone to go to Vista....
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Read it & weep Xp lovers....mwahahaha!!!!


yea, its not unusual for MS to basically restrict users to their newest product. do i like it? no. does it make sense from a user viewpoint? no. but does it make sense from a business viewpoint? Yes. and whether we XP users like it or not, it's the way it is.
you don't see apple releasing new machines with OS9, or car manufacturers producing many 2006 year cars, but there are still some left to go around for those who dont necessarily have to have the newest thing. the only problem is that Microsoft is phasing out a popular product in favor of trying to boost an "unpopular" product. from a software company, it's common practice. It makes your best product seem weak to be selling more of a "lesser" product than your Premier, Flagship product. MS is simply doing what a rational corporation would do.

if a user wants XP bad enough, they'll find a way to get it. guess that's it.

*edit* Gid, i love it when you open up OS discussions, it's always interesting, and i see reasonable debate, instead of a bunch of trolls.
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Read it & weep Xp lovers....mwahahaha!!!!


Hi Sir starkers, how you doing. I was wondering if you noticed that the date of your article in your link is from 12 April 07. It's November now and I've posted two articles recently that would lead you to believe that XP users aren't going away so soon. Click on my name and check them out.   

Yeah I could have put links here, but I'm not one for "poking a stick at someone". I like to have intelligent discussions.   
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XP at the start was a mess too. Microsoft had no option but to fix all the myriad of holes it had from a security point of view. Stability they more or less got right from the launch. They spent a considerable amount of time totally a couple of years fixing and tweaking XP so now it shines above Vista from every functional standpoint. They said it would never be capable of glass effects. Guess what! It is now. They said it could not manage revolving or skewed windows....Guess what! It can. So with the right mods on board and a decent graphics card you end up with the equivalent of Vista that is far more stable and secure than Vista and takes up less disk space. The think that puzzles me is why they never stuck with XP and simply launched a 2007 Version. In order to run XP you do not have to scrap a perfectly good computer and buy a bigger more expensive one to run it either. So economically from a business standpoint, why upgrade to Vista. Furthermore ,you have the comfort of knowing that all the apps you have been using you can use on XP. Vista will run a few but not all so people are at a disadvantage there too. When all is said and done from an objective viewpoint XP is a far better choice for the home user and for business.
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As for them shutting off support. They did it with 95 and 98 and 2000 and there are still a lot of people using those OS's and people(as in geeks) are creating support packs and upgrades and they can be downloaded free from majorgeek or other sites. P2P has a lot of Autopatcher files so security fixes for XP are readily available as are full OS's. They may want to force people to upgrade to Vista but it will not happen until Joe Public is ready.
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The original post is spot on. Xp is a decent system compared to others. The chances of Microsoft getting it right 2 times in a row are very slim.

Microsuck had me install a beta update for Vista the other day. That turned into a mess and snowballed right through hell....without leaving a puddle. I never knew a place existed below hell until the other day. I love reformatting a brand new system just over a week old.         

After a reformat that failed due to a stupid stupid error and then another that worked, Vista is working perfect now though. I just want Monday back.

I really like Vista. You simply need a more powerful system to get the performance out of it.

Vista's 3d flip feature is pretty nifty.
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Vista's 3d flip feature is pretty nifty.
Zubaz loves [Win-key]+[tab]
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The biggest barrier to Vista adoption by the end user is that it simply does not present a compelling enough reason to switch.

It was brought up earlier in the thread that people don't like change, and it was this bad attitude that was blocking adoption.  I don't think it's that at all.  People will change when presented a clearly superior alternative.

Vista hasn't been able to make the case.  Name one reason the average user would want Vista right now? 

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Name one reason the average user would want Vista right now?


I'm going to get some popcorn and sit down in my recliner and watch, this could get very interesting.   
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I found this interesting article by John Dvorak.

WWW Link
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Here is a copy and paste of an interesting article on PC world

Microsoft Corp.'s biggest worry over Windows Vista shouldn't be rival operating systems from Apple Inc. or Red Hat Inc., but remains competition from its own Windows XP, an analyst said Wednesday.

"The big story isn't that 32% of the companies we surveyed said that they would start Vista deployments by the end of next year," said Benjamin Gray, an analyst at Forrester Research Inc. "It's that companies have been hugely successful in standardizing on Windows XP."

According to a survey of nearly 600 U.S. and European companies that have more than 1,000 employees, 84% of all their PCs now run Windows XP, up from 67% the year before. While XP may have peaked, Gray warned not to bet against the 6-year-old operating system. "There are plenty of companies looking forward to XP SP3," he said. That next hot-fix and patch rollup is to ship sometime in the first quarter of 2008, Microsoft has said, and it will reportedly be XP's last service pack.

"Vista's biggest competition isn't Apple or Novell or Red Hat; it's Microsoft itself, it's XP," Gray said. So enamored of XP are businesses that Microsoft may feel obligated to extend the operating system's mainstream support past its current April 2009 expiration date. "I wouldn't be surprised," Gray said, although it might require some additional pressure on the company by its largest customers.

Still, XP will eventually get the boot in favor of Vista, Gray said. "Vista isn't a matter of if, but of when and how," he noted.

Nearly a third of the polled businesses -- 32% to be exact -- said they would begin deploying Vista by the end of 2008, while another 17% said they would start in 2009 or 2010. But more than half of all companies remain skittish about Vista, according to Forrester's data. A year after Microsoft released Vista to duplicators, 38% of companies claimed they had no plans at this stage to deploy the operating system. Another 14% said they just didn't know.

Gray also echoed other analysts who last week said Vista plans had been significantly scaled back by most companies. "That's absolutely the case. In May 2006, 40% of the companies we surveyed said they planned on deploying Vista within the first year of its public life," Gray said. "Forty percent were planning on deploying, but by the end of 2007, only 7% will have started. Enterprises are absolutely pulling back from their very, very aggressive deployment plans."

He attributed the lowered expectations to a lack of detailed information about Vista in 2006; too-high prices for PCs with 2GB of memory, which is essentially the minimum needed for Vista, according to company managers; and a larger-than-expected number of incompatible applications.

"Application incompatibility is a big, big headache," Gray said, citing reports from companies preparing for a migration to Vista. Those firms said applications incompatible with Vista made up between 10% and 40% of their software portfolios. "That's causing a lot of XP shops to take a wait-and-see approach to Vista."

But Gray said he was convinced Microsoft will win out in the end, if only because it has virtually no competitor worth the name in the enterprise market. "Linux and Mac have 1% or 2%, and in some cases, such as Europe and the largest corporations, they don't even register," he said. "Microsoft owns this space, and I don't see that changing."
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Name one reason the average user would want Vista right now?
A new PC.  Either through need to upgrade major componants and a new PC is a better choice or a new PC owner (i.e. my daughter who got a laptop for Uni).
At that point you're thinking "vista is available; it's supported, It does what I want.  Do it."

There is no good reason to upgrade . . but buying new is a different story.
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Makes sense to me Phoon, but trying to keep my feet firmly on the ground, the articles that we all provide links to hopefully do truly reflect the market place and not just a writers opinion. In others words at times it's hard to weed out the bashing and PR ramblings from what really is happening.   
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The biggest barrier to Vista adoption by the end user is that it simply does not present a compelling enough reason to switch.


It was brought up earlier in the thread that people don't like change, and it was this bad attitude that was blocking adoption.  I don't think it's that at all.  People will change when presented a clearly superior alternative.


Vista hasn't been able to make the case.  Name one reason the average user would want Vista right now? 



And Zoomba you have really hit the nail on the head here. If I go back in time I can say that within a matter of weeks of seeing XP I wanted it. Microsoft convinced me at that time that what I was getting was a big improvement over Windows 98SE. They totally sold me and I got XP Pro and I was really happy with and totally satisfied. Not this time, though. I have had the opportunity to play with Vista and watch it in action and nothing that I have seen or been shown by Microsoft makes me want to buy it or have it on one of my systems.
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There is no good reason to upgrade . . but buying new is a different story.

But if given an equal choice on a configurator between Vista and XP, is there an actual advantage to choosing Vista?

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*edit* Gid, i love it when you open up OS discussions, it's always interesting, and i see reasonable debate, instead of a bunch of trolls.


Thanks, Buddha. I think that as long as the debate stays reasonable, these kinds of discussions are exactly what the industry needs.
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But if given an equal choice on a configurator between Vista and XP, is there an actual advantage to choosing Vista?


Chess!