Things To Come!

So you will finally admit you are a hack for the democrats.  I notice how you don't address threads that actually show how your tax increase BS will affect people.

https://forums.joeuser.com/?forumid=34&aid=166028#1343892

- Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Friday, October 26, 2007
“So you will finally admit you are a hack for the democrats. I notice how you don't address threads that actually show how your tax increase BS will affect people.”

I believe the Democrats today are for more interested in helping the middle class. The Conservatives who have captured control of the Republican Party only care about the wealthy.

The democratic proposal would help 91 Million with lower taxes and more spending money. When I look at what the GOP did with tax cuts and see that most of it has gone to the top 10% with only a slight help to the upper end of the middle income families, I know that is not what I want to continue. If we elect another Republican we will not see any REAL help for the middle income Americans or any help for those that are at the bottom. That is not what the majority want and I believe after the 2008 election control of the government will vest with the Democrats.
It will be up to them to do better for our countrymen then the GOP had done!

Ah yes, taxing successful Americans and small business owners and you don't think it will affect the "middle class".  You are hilarious.

 

sorry the democrats are only interested in ruling they do not care for the poor or the middle class and they admit they don't care about the rich.


if the democrats are in January be prepared for a staggering tax increase. they have to repay all of those campaign financing some way.


don't believe me i give you history. bill Clinton also said that he was only going to raise taxes on the rich. he raised taxes on everyone. but that wasn't enough he wanted more taxes from the year before. but that wasn't enough either. he also started collecting taxes on tax returns. you know what is wrong about that the tax returns have already had their taxes collected once.

What's that got to do with Bush?

Reply By: Daiwa Posted: Friday, October 26, 2007
“What's that got to do with Bush?”


GOOD Question-- It is the reaction to Bush and the GOP in Congress that have ignored the middle class for the past 7 years!

“Don’t believe me I give you history. Bill Clinton also said that he was only going to raise taxes on the rich. He raised taxes on everyone. But that wasn't enough he wanted more taxes from the year before. But that wasn't enough either. He also started collecting taxes on tax returns. You know what is wrong about that the tax returns have already had their taxes collected once.” There were no major tax increases during Clinton—that was Bush 41—The “Read my lips” tax increase.

The bill outlined this week DOES NOT increases taxes on the 91 Million it LOWERS their taxes. The issue is NOT what Clinton did but what the Democrats in Congress do.

the bill outlined this week has to be paid for.

And raises taxes on business and small business owners.  You have already shown that you believe everyone who is "rich" is either lucky or inherited it, so you have no idea what goes on in the real world.

I bet the democrats can't pay for all their socialist programs with just tax increases to successful Americans.

Reply By: danielost Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007
The bill outlined this week DOES NOT increases taxes on the 91 Million it LOWERS their taxes.


the bill outlined this week has to be paid for.


CORRECT. It is by a 4.5% surtax on people making over $500,000 per year!

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Reply By: Island Dog Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007

“The bill outlined this week DOES NOT increases taxes on the 91 Million it LOWERS their taxes. The issue is NOT what Clinton did but what the Democrats in Congress do.

And raises taxes on business and small business owners. You have already shown that you believe everyone who is "rich" is either lucky or inherited it, so you have no idea what goes on in the real world.”

Small business owners and anyone else with incomes over $500,000 are the people that have benefited from the Bush tax Cuts. They can afford to pay a little more without impacting spending and without causing any financial harm to the high income people. They may not LIKE to pay the added tax but the argument that such a tax increase on the wealthy will harm the economy is a LIE! The national debt and continuing deficit harms the economy as does the increasing number of middle income working families can not meet their bills. Mortgage defaults, late Credit Card payments, defaults on car and education loans are increasing at a fast pace. The $1.2 Billion loss of Countrywide and the $9 billion write down of Bank of America could spark some real economic problems.

I'm hoping if your projections are correct that in January 2009 I have enough money to provide for my family during the time I expect to spend incarcerated from protesting the policies of her government. If Hillary is elected, I will likely be spending the entire four years as a political activist. I feel it's that important.

In this article, you have proved yourself to be a liar of the most virulent sort, Col. You've long presented yourself as a moderate Republican, despite writings that show differently, now you're presenting yourself as a pretty hardcore Stalinist. Because that is exactly what your bitch Hillary is.

Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007
“I'm hoping if your projections are correct that in January 2009 I have enough money to provide for my family during the time I expect to spend incarcerated from protesting the policies of her government. If Hillary is elected, I will likely be spending the entire four years as a political activist. I feel it's that important.

In this article, you have proved yourself to be a liar of the most virulent sort, Col. You've long presented yourself as a moderate Republican, despite writings that show differently, now you're presenting yourself as a pretty hardcore Stalinist. Because that is exactly what your bitch Hillary is.”

I believe we need to begin helping the middle income American Family and have the wealthy give up the huge tax cuts they received under Bush. I am not ashamed for that policy because I KNOW in the long run it will help the main stay of this country and not cause any REAL harm to the wealthy. The proposal made last week of a SURTAX of 4.5 % on incomes above $500,000 will not cause anyone who would pay that added tax ANY problem and if you claim otherwise you LIE!.. On the other hand, cutting taxes for 91 Million and providing them with more money to spend will benefit the economy and in the long run the rich who will increase their profits from the higher level of economic activity from the tax cuts to the 91 million. The difference between this tax cut and the Bush tax Cuts is that by increasing taxes on those that can afford to pay more and who have received the BIG share of the Bush Cuts will pay for it by the wealthy rather then increase the debt!

`there go some of those jobs.


brad has already said that if you raise his taxes he will have to fire people.


so much for helping the middle class and the poor.

We don't need to "help" the middle class. Why this insistence that people are incapable of providing for themselves and can't possibly survive without money from the government?

How did the party that produced so many hippies who read "Walden" in the 60's get to this?

the democrats don't think people can survive without the government.

you still don't get it. taxes are business expense. businesses pass on those expenses to their customer. and who are the customer why that would be the middle class and the poor. you have already stated that the rich don't eat.

Nanny state paid for by a certain class of Americans.  Pathetic.

One thing you are good at gene (besides distorting things) is telling other people what how their money should be spent.  Except you only do that for the "rich".

Notice how you don't respond to articles like this:  https://forums.joeuser.com/?forumid=34&aid=166028#1344824

 

Reply By: danielost Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007
Small business owners and anyone else with incomes over $500,000 are the people that have benefited from the Bush tax Cuts


`there go some of those jobs.


brad has already said that if you raise his taxes he will have to fire people.


That is PURE BS. Those same small business owners, who paid the higher taxes before Bush and his tax cuts, were doing just fine. The 1990's were good for the rich and small business. A 4.5% surtax for people making OVER $500,000 per year will not in the slightest harm those people or cut their spending! It will NOT cost jobs or harm the middle class or the poor. The added money the Middle Class will have from the cut in their taxes will put money in their hands to SPEND and HELP the economy!

“Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007
I believe we need to begin helping the middle income American Family and have the wealthy give up the huge tax cuts they received under Bush.


We don't need to "help" the middle class. Why this insistence that people are incapable of providing for them and can't possibly survive without money from the government?”


Better take a look at mortgage failures. Better take a look at REAL wages after inflation. Better take a look at what those new Jobs Bush talks about are PAYING. BETTER TAKE A LOOK AT why SO MANY MORE CAN NOT AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE. Better take a look at WHY 75% of Americans do not agree with the Bush/GOP policies!

Reply By: danielost Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007
Why this insistence that people are incapable of providing for themselves and can't possibly survive without money from the government?




the democrats don't think people can survive without the government.

Bush and the GOP think the RICH can not survive without big tax cuts. That is BS! They did so in the 1990's!!!!!

Bush is not responsible for people overextending themselves, Col.

What you are proposing is a fascist state where all major purchases must be approved by the government, and individual choices aren't allowed. And your extremely Stalinist views are why we oppose you.

Listen, Asschunk! I know many Americans working their asses off to feed their families. The idea of subsidizing Joe Middle Class' health insurnce so he doesn't miss a payment on his F^&%ing Lexxus is BEYOND offensive to us!

Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007
“Better take a look at mortgage failures.


Bush is not responsible for people overextending themselves, Col.

What you are proposing is a fascist state where all major purchases must be approved by the government, and individual choices aren't allowed. And your extremely Stalinist views are why we oppose you.”

PURE BUNK. We did not a fascist state during the 1990's when the tax rates were higher on the wealthy. That is an over used statement by those who do not want to pay a little more in taxes even though it would not change their life style and would help millions and spending. The issue of cutting taxes to the 90 Million is one of good economics- people at those income levels will SPEND most if not all of the added disposable money the will have after the tax cut and that will help the economy. On the other hand, although the over $500,000 per year people will not like paying that added 4.5% it will not cause them financial problems or impact their spending. The increased spending by the masses will stimulate business which will come back to the wealthy that own and or run the companies that will experience the increased sales and higher profits.

Col, to increase spending to the levels you are proposing we can't afford to cut taxes on anyone and you know it. But when your socialist state gets here, free speech will be out the window as well, so it won't matter, will it?

Call yourself what you are, Col. You are a fascist socialist. Wear the badge proudly.

Reply By: Gideon MacLeish Posted: Saturday, October 27, 2007
Col, to increase spending to the levels you are proposing we can't afford to cut taxes on anyone and you know it. But when your socialist state gets here, free speech will be out the window as well, so it won't matter, will it?

Call yourself what you are, Col. You are a fascist socialist. Wear the badge proudly.

The tax cuts for the 91 Million will be paid for by the 4.5% tax on the 1.5 million making over $500,000 per year. It is a sound plan. Lets put it to a VOTE!

Gideon

Please explain how the poor soles with income over $500,000 per year will be impacted by a 4.5% tax increase:

I guess they will have to give up Caviar every day.

Their new Fleet of BMW 7 series every year.

Tell us how they will be unable to pay their mortgage or health insurance for their children.

Make the case why people earning over 1/2 million each year will be harmed by a slightly higher tax so that 91 MILLION OTHERS CAN GAT A TAX CUT and increase spending to help the economy!